Hypothtical Question: How would RX-8 Run Without Catalytic Converter?
11-07-2005, 09:51 AM
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Hypothetical Question: How would RX-8 Run Without Catalytic Converter?
This is a hypothetical, but how would the RX-8 run and sound if the catalytic converter was removed?
Would this boost reliability, fuel economy or performance?
Would this boost reliability, fuel economy or performance?
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11-07-2005, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Glyphon
ask any of the people that have installed a midpipe.
I mean, without the catalytic converter, the car is not able to meet U.S. emissions requirements?
11-07-2005, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Asmoran
If you live in an area that requires emmissions testing, then yes - it won't pass. Also, if you're running NA it will be very, very loud and annoying.
We don't have emissions testing in Michigan anymore - we did for a while, though.
Is it legal to remove the catalytic converter for a street registered vehicle in U.S. state, though?
I thought federal law (and many state laws) required such emissions control equipment?
11-07-2005, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Glyphon
ask any of the people that have installed a midpipe.
I had my supercat off the other day and started her up just to hear the sound. It was super loud and turned it off after 5 secs. I'll take a video of it if I ever have my supercat off again.
11-07-2005, 10:16 AM
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I guess it's not really a hypthetical question if it's reality, is it.......
Not true. I'm NA and it sounds awesome. I get complimented all the time.
It is not street legal to remove your cat and there are state and federal laws requiring emission control equipment. However, there are also speed limits required by every state - do you always obey?
If you live in an area that requires emmissions testing, then yes - it won't pass. Also, if you're running NA it will be very, very loud and annoying.
It is not street legal to remove your cat and there are state and federal laws requiring emission control equipment. However, there are also speed limits required by every state - do you always obey?
11-07-2005, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by dazygirl415
I guess it's not really a hypthetical question if it's reality, is it.......
Not true. I'm NA and it sounds awesome. I get complimented all the time.
It is not street legal to remove your cat and there are state and federal laws requiring emission control equipment. However, there are also speed limits required by every state - do you always obey?
Not true. I'm NA and it sounds awesome. I get complimented all the time.
It is not street legal to remove your cat and there are state and federal laws requiring emission control equipment. However, there are also speed limits required by every state - do you always obey?
...performance, fuel economy, others?
(I'm also asking because it may appear that CAT failure has led to motor failure - although I'm not quite certain oif this)
11-07-2005, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by RotoRocket
(I'm also asking because it may appear that CAT failure has led to motor failure - although I'm not quite certain oif this)
Cat failure with the honeycomb breaking up and clogging the midpipe may be able to do engine damage.
Removal of the cat helps airflow and won't cause any engine damage.
11-07-2005, 11:31 AM
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In your hypothetical world, removing your cat allows air to flow more freely through the exhaust system. More air in = more air out = faster. I would assume the hp gain is minimal, but my butt dyno says it's faster.
My fuel economy has improved slightly, but not much. Performance wise, again, my butt dyno says it's faster. I love the way it sounds and I like the smell of fuel. How's that?
My fuel economy has improved slightly, but not much. Performance wise, again, my butt dyno says it's faster. I love the way it sounds and I like the smell of fuel. How's that?
11-07-2005, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by dazygirl415
In your hypothetical world, removing your cat allows air to flow more freely through the exhaust system. More air in = more air out = faster. I would assume the hp gain is minimal, but my butt dyno says it's faster.
My fuel economy has improved slightly, but not much. Performance wise, again, my butt dyno says it's faster. I love the way it sounds and I like the smell of fuel. How's that?
My fuel economy has improved slightly, but not much. Performance wise, again, my butt dyno says it's faster. I love the way it sounds and I like the smell of fuel. How's that?
11-07-2005, 12:45 PM
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A straight-pipe rotary engine is violently, uncomfortably loud. Louder than any naturally-aspirated engine you've ever heard by several orders of magnitude. I had the opportunity to be around a few racing 13Bs back in the 80s that were running straight pipes and believe me, it's like god's own chainsaw - this insanely loud ripping/angry bee sound.
And driving on the streets without a cat is a violation of federal laws prohibiting the tampering with federally-mandated emissions equipment. That's not to say you'd get caught, but any cop worth his ticket book will ask to look under the car in a New York minute if he thinks he can run up your ticket.
And driving on the streets without a cat is a violation of federal laws prohibiting the tampering with federally-mandated emissions equipment. That's not to say you'd get caught, but any cop worth his ticket book will ask to look under the car in a New York minute if he thinks he can run up your ticket.
11-07-2005, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by vectorwolf
Heck, I'd like to hear a clip without any kind of exhaust. 
Too bad I didn't have a video camera this weekend.... I had my exhaust off and we fired her up to see what she would sound like. Let's just say that it's loud.
11-07-2005, 02:00 PM
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Yeah it's pretty brutal without an exhaust on. When I took my midpipe/exhaust off before trading the car, I fired it up with just the hi-flow cat/mid-pipe and no exhaust. It was one of the worst sounds I've ever heard come from a car.
11-07-2005, 02:39 PM
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A straight-pipe rotary engine is violently, uncomfortably loud. Louder than any naturally-aspirated engine you've ever heard by several orders of magnitude. I had the opportunity to be around a few racing 13Bs back in the 80s that were running straight pipes and believe me, it's like god's own chainsaw - this insanely loud ripping/angry bee sound.
11-07-2005, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ALWAZL8
Too bad I didn't have a video camera this weekend.... I had my exhaust off and we fired her up to see what she would sound like. Let's just say that it's loud.
I'll send you a dollar if you can do it again.
11-07-2005, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by tlniec
Those would've had peripheral exhaust ports, right? Would a Renesis sound different due to its side exhaust port configuration? I certainly don't recommend running without a cat on the street... just curious.
The last time I watched racing rotaries was up at Road America this summer in the June Sprints, and all of them had some sort of racing muffler on them because they couldn't make the minimum noise standard that is something like 100 decibels at 75 feet away. Which is about as loud as a typical chainsaw exhaust is at 3 feet away. Which is to say, really damn loud.
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