Hyundai Tiburon owner, thinking about an 8
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Originally Posted by supercarfan
Probably the same way you think the RX-8 can be mistaken for something fast.
Don't buy an RX8-- you're exactly the kind of idiot who thinks speed is only something that happens between stoplights, and you paid thousands of dollars that you'll never see again to be as "fast" as our 8's are stock. In fact, stock for stock, you can be taken off the line by Civics, if that is your definition of speed. No one's impressed at the frankly pathetic power your car puts out-- 270 hp (unverified)? Come on. I know it's more than a 8 puts out stock, but good lord, you paid thousands of dollars, blew your warranty, and made it run like **** just for that? And you still can't even turn properly? Go ahead and "trick out" your suspension so you can blow thousands more to get mediocre performance trying to fix the flaws of a mediocre car. You remind me of the dickless wonders in "Tibbys" who hang around the car wash until 2am showing off their neon underbodies and PVC air intakes glaring at me while I drive by with something they all wish they had.... a girlfriend.
So go ahead and "mistake" my car for something fast, son, and I'll mistake yours for something that won't end up a flaming chunk of plastic twisted around a tree with your jawbone lodged in its useless steering rack.
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Perhaps we're being a little rough on the OP. If you read back, his comments may have been ignorant, but I don't think I detect any malice. In fact, I sense that he's trying hard to fit in, learn, and defend his ride and pride.
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Alright. I held off posting in this thread until I got here. Because I think the "Tib," as it is so gayly called, is a good little car... for 16 year old. I like the idea of a good-looking, cheap two-door that gives the look and feel of a sports car. But the execution is flawed... all the weight is in the nose, making it understeer horrendously, and with no LSD your supposed 270 whp has got to make that thing torque steer like a pig.
Don't buy an RX8-- you're exactly the kind of idiot who thinks speed is only something that happens between stoplights, and you paid thousands of dollars that you'll never see again to be as "fast" as our 8's are stock. In fact, stock for stock, you can be taken off the line by Civics, if that is your definition of speed. No one's impressed at the frankly pathetic power your car puts out-- 270 hp (unverified)? Come on. I know it's more than a 8 puts out stock, but good lord, you paid thousands of dollars, blew your warranty, and made it run like **** just for that? And you still can't even turn properly? Go ahead and "trick out" your suspension so you can blow thousands more to get mediocre performance trying to fix the flaws of a mediocre car. You remind me of the dickless wonders in "Tibbys" who hang around the car wash until 2am showing off their neon underbodies and PVC air intakes glaring at me while I drive by with something they all wish they had.... a girlfriend.
So go ahead and "mistake" my car for something fast, son, and I'll mistake yours for something that won't end up a flaming chunk of plastic twisted around a tree with your jawbone lodged in its useless steering rack.
Don't buy an RX8-- you're exactly the kind of idiot who thinks speed is only something that happens between stoplights, and you paid thousands of dollars that you'll never see again to be as "fast" as our 8's are stock. In fact, stock for stock, you can be taken off the line by Civics, if that is your definition of speed. No one's impressed at the frankly pathetic power your car puts out-- 270 hp (unverified)? Come on. I know it's more than a 8 puts out stock, but good lord, you paid thousands of dollars, blew your warranty, and made it run like **** just for that? And you still can't even turn properly? Go ahead and "trick out" your suspension so you can blow thousands more to get mediocre performance trying to fix the flaws of a mediocre car. You remind me of the dickless wonders in "Tibbys" who hang around the car wash until 2am showing off their neon underbodies and PVC air intakes glaring at me while I drive by with something they all wish they had.... a girlfriend.
So go ahead and "mistake" my car for something fast, son, and I'll mistake yours for something that won't end up a flaming chunk of plastic twisted around a tree with your jawbone lodged in its useless steering rack.
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Originally Posted by supercarfan
Whoa whoa easy there bud. I cant help it if youre angry that you didnt buy a mazdaspeed 3, which blows the doors off your rx8.
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Originally Posted by dynamho
Perhaps we're being a little rough on the OP. If you read back, his comments may have been ignorant, but I don't think I detect any malice. In fact, I sense that he's trying hard to fit in, learn, and defend his ride and pride.
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I love 16 yr olds like him. Brag about how fast is his Uber 270hp Piece of ****.
No matter how much he spend, its still a piece of ****.
Oh Mazdaspeed 3 what ? Who wants some FWD Torque Steer ? Hmm oh wait. Their Track time aint even that fast :-(
Your piece of **** cant beat us. period.
No matter how much he spend, its still a piece of ****.
Oh Mazdaspeed 3 what ? Who wants some FWD Torque Steer ? Hmm oh wait. Their Track time aint even that fast :-(
Your piece of **** cant beat us. period.
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Originally Posted by supercarfan
I cant help it if youre angry that you didnt buy a mazdaspeed 3, which blows the doors off your rx8.
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Originally Posted by supercarfan
Whoa whoa easy there bud. I cant help it if youre angry that you didnt buy a mazdaspeed 3, which blows the doors off your rx8.
If all you care about is straight line, I have a GTO I would LOVE to sell you. 0-60 in about 5 sec. (less with a good launch) and will kill my 8 in the 1/4. Just don't try to keep up with me when the road starts to bend or you will end up in a tree.
Get a life and grow up before you kill someone else in your stoplight drag racing.
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Originally Posted by supercarfan
The questions left in my mind are the following:
-What can easily be bolted onto the 8 for descent gains? I/H/E? Realize I know nothing about rotary engines.
-How easy is it to take to the next level? Turbo/Supercharger?
-How reliable is it? I heard about flooding issues, and warranty issues.
Thanks.
-What can easily be bolted onto the 8 for descent gains? I/H/E? Realize I know nothing about rotary engines.
-How easy is it to take to the next level? Turbo/Supercharger?
-How reliable is it? I heard about flooding issues, and warranty issues.
Thanks.
2) Not very. Blown seals are VERY commonplace in FI applications - if you're going to run boost, I would recommend keeping the pressure low.
3) Reliability is fine. Keep in mind that nobody posts on a message board just to let everyone know that everything is rainbows and puppy dogs. I flooded once, but with my upgraded starter/battery/plugs (should be on all new 8s now, iirc), I'm pretty confident it won't happen again.
If you're ever questioning the lack of 1/4 mile times, go take an 8 out to play down a twisty road. You'll have a blast. Or just get involved in autocrossing with the SCCA (even in the Tib) and I'd be willing to bet you'll start to care a lot less about how fast your car can clear the 1/4.
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To put it short. I have 34,000 miles on my 04. Not one problem. I used to work at a place where I had to move my car every evening. I rarely let it warm up and never had a problem. Would I suggest that to other 8 owners? No. Was I lucky? Maybe. To me it is very reliable. But I am very particular about it's upkeep.
As for bolt ons, the help the 8 but you are not going to get large gains. You can flatten the toque curve some, help it rev quicker, make it sound more agressive,...etc.
Major hp gains just read through the turbo threads, Petit s/c, and axilflow s/c thread.
The question is too complicated (and debatable) to get any quick and easy answers by starting a thread. I have been on here about a year and I am still learning and still trying to plan out all the mods. Before I started reading on here I had some stuff planned and started to work on. But I changed my mind. Such as with the Garret Turbo.
There are a lot of experianced people on here who know what they are talking about. There are tons of people who have tried different things. Take a look at each individual, see how they use the car and make your own assesment as to if you think it will work for you or not.
Does this mean you don't want to buy the GTO?
As for bolt ons, the help the 8 but you are not going to get large gains. You can flatten the toque curve some, help it rev quicker, make it sound more agressive,...etc.
Major hp gains just read through the turbo threads, Petit s/c, and axilflow s/c thread.
The question is too complicated (and debatable) to get any quick and easy answers by starting a thread. I have been on here about a year and I am still learning and still trying to plan out all the mods. Before I started reading on here I had some stuff planned and started to work on. But I changed my mind. Such as with the Garret Turbo.
There are a lot of experianced people on here who know what they are talking about. There are tons of people who have tried different things. Take a look at each individual, see how they use the car and make your own assesment as to if you think it will work for you or not.
Does this mean you don't want to buy the GTO?
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I'm not sure why bolt ons don't give you any significant gains, but I know the weak points in boosting are the apex seals (sealing the rotor to the housing). They just can't hold any serious pressure without blowing out. If you keep your car NA and take care of it, it'll probably last longer than a piston engine. Problem is, most people don't take care of their rotaries properly so you see a lot of junkers.
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From everything I have read from the aftermarket companies is that Mazda just did not leave much room for improvement. The airbox flows well, the exhaust flows easy, etc... There are just not much left to be gained. Some one here believe that when the ECU gets cracked completely there will be the potential for bigger gains.
I am honestly not the one to give much advice on mods or mechanics. I just don't have enough experiance. There are some good guys on here that can though.
I am honestly not the one to give much advice on mods or mechanics. I just don't have enough experiance. There are some good guys on here that can though.
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Suspension upgrades are offering people a lot of satsifaction as it's the one place the RX-8 is a little...soft. You could also go the Nitrous route for relatively little money. Check our Charles R. Hill. He's the man in the know about nitrous on this forum. There are a few successful Turbo and S/C applications. The Greddy kit is not really one of them. There was a lot of extra stuff you had to do to get it where it was making decent reliable HP. By the time you were there you were in Petit Supercharger cost territory.
As far as big gains guitarjunkie has the mazsport type I kit and is making 336hp at the wheels on stock internals. It's out there in F/I but the NA gains are much smaller and the cost per hp is going to be higher.
As far as big gains guitarjunkie has the mazsport type I kit and is making 336hp at the wheels on stock internals. It's out there in F/I but the NA gains are much smaller and the cost per hp is going to be higher.
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Originally Posted by supercarfan
Aright guys, lets try to get this back on track. I don't hate the 8. I came onto this board because I'm a fan of the 8. We busted each others ***** about our cars, and now let it be known that I do like the 8. I'm not a 16 year old punk. I'm actually a 28 year old engineer that really likes cars. With that being said, lets try and accomplish the goal I originally had, which is getting information on the 8.
At this point we established the following:
-Hyundai sucks and the Tiburon isnt a real car. I get it. Lets move on.
-The rx8 outhandles the tiburon all day. No question there.
-The automatic rx8 isnt really an rx8 at all. Its like comparing an srt-4 to a neon, the manual 8 being the srt-4.
-The rx8 isnt that fast, comparatively. Just stating facts.
-Rear wheel drive is better than front wheel drive.
-The Crossfire sucks. Hard.
The questions left in my mind are the following:
-What can easily be bolted onto the 8 for descent gains? I/H/E? Realize I know nothing about rotary engines.
-How easy is it to take to the next level? Turbo/Supercharger?
-How reliable is it? I heard about flooding issues, and warranty issues.
Thanks.
At this point we established the following:
-Hyundai sucks and the Tiburon isnt a real car. I get it. Lets move on.
-The rx8 outhandles the tiburon all day. No question there.
-The automatic rx8 isnt really an rx8 at all. Its like comparing an srt-4 to a neon, the manual 8 being the srt-4.
-The rx8 isnt that fast, comparatively. Just stating facts.
-Rear wheel drive is better than front wheel drive.
-The Crossfire sucks. Hard.
The questions left in my mind are the following:
-What can easily be bolted onto the 8 for descent gains? I/H/E? Realize I know nothing about rotary engines.
-How easy is it to take to the next level? Turbo/Supercharger?
-How reliable is it? I heard about flooding issues, and warranty issues.
Thanks.
as for answering them, most have already been and as far as reliability it just comes down to how you treat an 8 and how much research you have done. if you get an '04 (or possibly even others) and haven't gotten the TSBs done and decide to pull it out on a cold day to move it and turn it off you are almost surely going to flood it. if you know to let it warm up and you know to check the oil every other fillup, the issues are no more than with any other car. know what the car is and isn't as well as how to treat her and she'll treat you quite well and put a smile on your face every time you hear that sweet rotary sound all the way to 9K.
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Originally Posted by CTrx8
every time you hear that sweet rotary sound all the way to 9K. ![Ylsuper](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/ylsuper.gif)
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Originally Posted by supercarfan
What is it about the rotary engine that you cant add any more power with simple bolt ons? It just doesnt seem that theres a huge potentital for big power.
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Originally Posted by supercarfan
What is it about the rotary engine that you cant add any more power with simple bolt ons? It just doesnt seem that theres a huge potentital for big power.
Big power? There's a potential for 400+ whp from the Renesis with forced induction, but you'll pay well for it. 3-rotor swaps are also popular, but that costs even more.
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Originally Posted by supercarfan
It just doesnt seem that theres a huge potentital for big power.
The pic in my Avatar is the 26B, just put that in to your new RX-8.
Here is the DYNO sheet,,,,did I mention,normally aspirated ?
And here is a pic of Racing Beat 1400 HP ducted fan turbo three Rotor
Enough of an idea of the POWER capabilities of the Rotary?
It just doesnt seem that theres a huge potentital for big power.
The pic in my Avatar is the 26B, just put that in to your new RX-8.
![](http://www.rotaryeng.net/4rotor.jpg)
Here is the DYNO sheet,,,,did I mention,normally aspirated ?
![](http://www.rotaryeng.net/Leman-power-HP-curve.jpg)
And here is a pic of Racing Beat 1400 HP ducted fan turbo three Rotor
![Eyecrazy](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/Eyecrazy.gif)
![](http://www.rotaryeng.net/dyno3rot.jpg)
![](http://www.rotaryeng.net/rb3rot1.jpg)
Enough of an idea of the POWER capabilities of the Rotary?
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My wife has an 2003 Tib. GT, 6 speed and this is the second time we had to replace the clutch. I had to cut out a piece of the engine bay for a CAI to fit and during cold weather, the car dies out. I think it's to much air and not enough fuel. Don't get me wrong, I like them but just the fact that I had to make fixes like that, just doesn't cut it for me. But I told my wife that Im going to pause on my 8 so I can work on hers. Im going to get a stage II clutch from somewhere and get a better aftermarket intake. But we'll see.
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Originally Posted by Easy_E1
Originally Posted by supercarfan
It just doesnt seem that theres a huge potentital for big power.
The pic in my Avatar is the 26B, just put that in to your new RX-8.
Here is the DYNO sheet,,,,did I mention,normally aspirated ?
And here is a pic of Racing Beat 1400 HP ducted fan turbo three Rotor
Enough of an idea of the POWER capabilities of the Rotary?![Ylsuper](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/ylsuper.gif)
It just doesnt seem that theres a huge potentital for big power.
The pic in my Avatar is the 26B, just put that in to your new RX-8.
![](http://www.rotaryeng.net/4rotor.jpg)
Here is the DYNO sheet,,,,did I mention,normally aspirated ?
![](http://www.rotaryeng.net/Leman-power-HP-curve.jpg)
And here is a pic of Racing Beat 1400 HP ducted fan turbo three Rotor
![Eyecrazy](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/Eyecrazy.gif)
![](http://www.rotaryeng.net/dyno3rot.jpg)
![](http://www.rotaryeng.net/rb3rot1.jpg)
Enough of an idea of the POWER capabilities of the Rotary?
![Ylsuper](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/ylsuper.gif)
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