Rhawb

RotaMotion, normally I'd be inclined to agree with you, but what got me about this story was despite having been involved in this accident, he seemed to just shrug it off and keep up the same habits that got him in trouble in the first place. Had this happened to me, there would have been some serious restructuring of my driving habits to make sure nothing of the sort would happen again.

RotaMotion

Oh, good point, I guess I wasn't reading carefully enough and missed that If that's the case, I understand why people got going on this one. I guess, in genral, I'm just not a big fan of flames

G8rboy

He probably disabled both... to save on gas

G8rboy

Totally agree... we all did stupid stuff... I just doubt you did it with an expensive sportscar on your 16th birthday. I'm not faulting the kid- I'm faulting the parents for making a really, really poor decision in setting a 16yo off with an expensive sports car (and apparently without any driving skills). And if for some reason I did trust my kid enough and they did this kind of damage 5 days after getting the car, they would no longer be driving said car. Period. That's just f%$ed up parenting.

Rhawb

No worries, I'm not a big fan of flames either. Being a young guy myself (20), I tend to give my peers quite a bit of slack unless something really catches me the wrong way.
Sure, I did some gloriously moronic things in my early days as a driver, but I'd always try and keep it within some level of safety (no cars around, no curbs, extra space for mistakes, etc.). I don't think asking a driver to have the responsibility to do small checks like that before performing their stunts is too much to ask at 15-16.

RotaMotion

I hear you. My High School car was a completely beat 1974 Orange Honda civic. Still there is a part of me wishes that at least the option to have an expensive learning "opportunity" with an expensive sports car were available to me back then :D I had to wait unill I was 39 for my first major toy

G8rboy

Sounds familiar- I shared time between my dad's beaters ('72 Pinto & '73 butterscotch Datsun Pickup), until I bought my '78 Celica for $800. Sure I would have loved an RX7 or Porsche 944, but I doubt I'd be here right now... that 100hp celica got me into plenty of trouble :D. At the time my Dad had a new Mustang GT that had too much power for me to respect, and he knew that... I would drive it on occasion, but my own $800 car was a much better solution..

custom8

hahaha well although im only 19 <be 20 in 11 days /clap for me> my first vehicle was a 1997 Ford F-150 with a V8 and was automatic, had the straight dual exhaust, threw some 16 inch stock polished aluminum rims on it <came with the gray painted steel rims> and i was good to go :D , hehe well i'm quite sure you all know that a pickup almost feels like its going to flip if you're doing 15 over the recommended speed on an onramp, so i started my driving days with a vehicle that probably did between 16.5 and 17 sec quarter mile <wow... heh> but by driving that truck throughout high-school i believe it formed me to the driver that i am now, i don't drive 30 over rec. speed on on-ramp, and even in turns i don't do much more than 15 over recommended out of habit, i know that the car is way more capable than this, but its the driving habit that i developed when i was driving the truck and i have no problem with it, and fortunately since i did well in school i was able to get college paid for by scholarships and such <was actually getting $1100 back at the end of each quarter for college which went towards my $471 note and $139 a month insurance (thank daddio for my insurance being so low :D ) so the money i was making at my part time job went to the remainder of my notes and my insurance so i was able to get the RX-8 (with the help of some nice parents that thought with my past driving record i was mature enough of a driver to own such a car and agreed to cosign thanks again mom n dad :D lol) hmm... this turned out to be a big personal post about myself... sorry about that, but hey it might be interesting to somebody

RotaMotion

My college vehicle was the 4-door sedan boat version of your P-up. Are you ready....a 1984 Ford LTD Crown Victoria complete with the old-school police car looking front end. It did routinely scare the hell out of unsuspecting motorists.

Anyway, that was during the Automotive Dark Ages due to smog issues. It had a throttle body FI 302 v8 that put out, as I remember, 132hp. And the slushy shift points on the automatic were dreadful. Actually it was more like a slush shift followed by a Thunk shift and then the sound of an anemic V8 lugging. Ford thought you would get better gas mileage if the car shifted into overdrive anytime you lifted off the throttle or were going faster than 15 MPH. Gas milage sucked and the trans went at 78K from that monster engine. I'm guessing this thing was 20 sec 1/4 mile territory. Never tested it. Didn't want to cry in front of my friends

custom8

LOL :D , yeah i feel ya on the gas mileage part, the 4.6L v8 220ish hp rating on the 97 i believe, drank its normal diet of 87 octane at 14 mpg, hmm only 4 mpg shy of what i get in the 8 lol, tranny was fine, did have to replace the heater core though... was a pain in the butt.. 60 bucks for the core and i paid 240 bucks labor if i remember correctly because the dash had to come out in like 14 pieces to get to it. still a strong running truck though, still have it to this day for carrying stuff around and to pull the old boat around when i have time to go fishing on the weekends

SilverEIGHT

Jaisin, make sure you have voted on the thread poll:

Color of wrecked RX8
https://www.rx8club.com/polls-70/color-wrecked-rx8-46877/

Razpewton

WRONG! All the talk about drifting, doing 180's and "revving through the gears" were made AFTER his wreck. NO learning took place. This is adult talk and I'm sure Jason wants to be treated like an adult. If that's the case, when you post incidents of aggressive or careless driving, then YOU CAN EXPECT adult responses, not "WOW!! COOL!!" For adolescent responses, join the Nickelodeon forum.




Jason, don't get me wrong, we've ALL had our time in the hotseat. We've all experienced the thrill of kicking the tail-end loose a little. I rolled a Ford Falcon on a dirt road on my 17th birthday. Did I learned from my incident?....a little. Did I catch hell for my actions....YOU BET! Not only from my dad, but also from my neighbors, the mailman, my teachers, Hillary Clinton, Big Bird and every living soul within a 134 mile radius. You need to "learn the car" before you pursue performance driving or dangerous maneuvers. More to the point.....you need to BE the car. This takes years not months.

Whatever course of action you decide, remember these three things:

1) YOU are responsible for your own actions. We like to slide it off towards the parents, but it's YOUR *** out there on the highway. What kind of a person do you want to be?

2) Study Murphy's Law. NO accidents are planned. They happened because of the kid on the bike you didn't see or the car that wasn't there a minute ago. Killing or seriously hurting someone as a result of careless driving will affect more lives and be more truamatic than you could possibly fathom.

3) When you **** up, most of us aren't going to say "WOW! COOL!" We're going to say you fucked up. THIS is how you learn.

Good luck on further driving endeavors. We now have a stake in your future, and contrary to outward appearances, want only the best for you.

Red Devil

Well said Raz.

I hated my parents at the time, but they were right in their car selection for me. My first car, from 16 to about a month before 18, was a 1990 Honda Accord 5spd. I was told that if I had no accidents, speeding tickets or any type of infraction, than I would be allowed to upgrade to something I wanted. It was a painful, frustrating ~2 years, but it made me keep my nose clean. It also made me value my first RX-7 all the more.

expo1

Driver stupidity costs all of us and should be strongly pointed out when posted on this board. Because people are too lazy / stupid to check tire pressure beginning 2006 ALL cars made in the USA will have a TPMS system and that cost will be passed to drivers.



Recently studies are coming back showing DSC type systems dramatically reduces single car accidents. In fact DSC reduces accidents more than ABS brakes & 3rd Brake light combined. The end result will be DSC on all cars and most likely we will not be able to turn them off. I can fully see insurance companies not paying out for accidents where DSC was turned off. Many cars have “black boxes” (thanks to lawsuits) than can tell if it’s off. GM will put DSC in all their cars in 2010, the rest will soon follow.

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-break...2209-8930r.htm



Why a 16-year-old would have an RX-8 let alone drive without DSC is beyond me.

Jaisin

[QUOTE=Razpewton]WRONG! All the talk about drifting, doing 180's and "revving through the gears" were made AFTER his wreck. NO learning took place. This is adult talk and I'm sure Jason wants to be treated like an adult. If that's the case, when you post incidents of aggressive or careless driving, then YOU CAN EXPECT adult responses, not "WOW!! COOL!!" For adolescent responses, join the Nickelodeon forum.


Wow. Reving through the grears. That isn't hurting anyone. Doesn't mean your speeding. Like someone else said, I was doing the 180s because I was trying to learn how to correct. Someone told me I would have never had my accident if I wouldn't have panic when I started to feel the rear end brake loose.

Also, for the record I had been driving for a year prior in my grandmas car, and I had also been practicing in my 8. I got it on the 13th. I just happened to have an accident which was unlucky. I sucked at driving and if you were paying attention, I said I don't regret having my accident because it was a good learning lesson. I haven't had an accident since that day or even came close. I have a way better understanding of physics also.

I didn't buy the car for its speed or drifting capabilities. I bought it for the looks purely. I didn't even know what drifting was except for in video games when I bought the car. It wasn't until coming here I learned about the Drift Bible and started asking questions.

A lot of you guys are accusing me of stuff. You don't even know if I was speeding. I didn't get a ticket so that is an indication that it was a maybe and odd accident.
You guys are forgetting I live in Louisiana and our speed limits are different and so is the general enviroment. I have been to the track so don't bother telling me to go there, because I do. I suck though I can only get 15.3, but my friend is 23 and he gets 14.9 in my car. Anyway....

You guys need to take it easy on the whole 16 year old RX-8 thing. You don't even know my situation to be talking about why I have an 8. My parents separated and my mom and I moved back to Louisiana with my grandma 10 years ago. I lived with my mom and last year she died suddenly from a stroke one night. Now I live with my grandma and I didn't go to lvie with my dad because I didn't want to leave my friends. My grandpa has alzheimerz so he isn't really around. Its just me and my grandma, and my dad let me choose a car I wanted because I was going to pay with it with my money and he would pay the insurance. When I had my accident I had to pay the deductible, but he still pays the insurance. I was without my car for a month and I did not get a rent a car. There are a lot of other factors so please don't criticize my family for what kind of car we choose.

In all respect, he wasn't going to get me a Z, EVO, STI, S2K, or Cobra. He test drove all the cars( I didn't know how to drive stick) and felt that the 8 was the tamest out of all of them. I liked the interior and styling. He like the safety and other factors.

Rhawb

Man, I think you're missing the point...I think a lot of people on this board are pissed about this whole thing because of your open lack of remorse or responsibility for being in the accident.

Razpewton

Bottom line....

YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW

You don't have to convince me of anything. You'll understand some day.

Good luck to you.

Jaisin

I do, but that was almost 6 months ago. I am just looking back on it and sharing information about what happened. You guys are acting like it just happened.

PUR NRG

Here's a simple rule of thumb: if you loose wheel traction you are speeding. It's that simple.

People aren't ripping you a new ******* because you're 16 with an RX-8. They (and I) think you are so ignorant you don't know there's something you don't know even after people tell you.

This is a perfect example. If you think doing 180s will teach you how to correct a fishtail then that is beyond simple ignorance.

Another great example. First because you don't know a drag strip is not a track. Second because how in the world can you think getting better 1/4 mile times could make you a better real-world driver? That is beyond "simple" ignorance and well into amazingly stupid.

You're young. Maybe you'll learn. Then again, maybe not.

Jaisin

I wasn't doing 180s on purpose. I was taking a 90 degree turn and causing the tail to slide out on purpose. I went into a 180 because I didn't know how to correct it. Please read the thread before you comment on it. I never said a better 1/4 time would make me a better driver. I was implying that I was reving through the gears at the dragstrip. Someone said that reving throught the gears and speeding is dangerous, but they never stopped to think that I do have access to a drag strip.

Also, about the wheel traction. Let me re-itterate(However you spell that), I lost control because I said I was a SLOW SHIFTER. I had to look down at the Tachometer and then shift. I started to wander out of my lane during the shift and I paniced. I tried to bring the car back into the right lane, but I turned it way to much and the back end started to swing out a little bit(Enough To scare me into jerking the wheel the other direction). I was never able to regain control because I didn't know that you weren't suppsoed to turn the wheel a large amount.

Thats why I ASKED about correcting and had a friend show me how to do it. I could care less about drifting. I just wanted to understand what caused my accident. I had never driven a RWD car before this point. All FWDs, so I wasn't used to RWD. I didn't understand what fishtailing was. I learned about it, saw it on cops, but I never really experienced it.

Is there anything wrong with going out in the middle of nowhere and trying to learn to control your car? You act like I was going out there just to do 180s and waste my tires.
Also, please explain what makes me ignorant.

I don't excessively speed. I don't drift. I don't burnout. I don't race. I don't gun it out of corners. I take care of my car. Please explain what I am doing currently that makes me ignorant.

All I have done is share my story with you guys about my accident and how it changed my life.

Jaisin

LOL. Shutup. You're the one that taught me to correct, but that doesn't mean you can make fun of me for being a noob. I'll be good one day.

StewC625

CLASSIC! Man, I couldn't have said it better!

Hey G8Rboy: Your PM mailbox is full. Purge it - I have some info for you on the Indianapolis event.

AQA101

The tamest of the wolfpack, yeah it probably is.

We had a simple ritual at home: Whenever my father got a new company car (he started having those when I had six years of driving experience) we went out for "driving lessons". Those included all types of situations I really wasn't prepared for, especially tough braking situations. When my father found that I could handle the car and understood the dangers that come with it, he would let me drive it.

I can certainly say that without those lessons I would have been dead ten years ago. I'm still thankful because he acted responsible back then. An RX-8 is a great gift, but believe me, training lessons are the better gift.

rxsleeper

I have to agree with Raz on this one.

Even though I am young (18), I know that there is a time and place for pushing the limits.

Have I spun my 8? Yes. Where? At an autocross.

Have I practiced drifting in my 8? Yes. Where? At an autocross.

If you noticed, I haven't tried any of this stuff on public roads. Why? Cause I learned when not to. I totalled my mother's car when I was 15 (she was in it with me) on a brick mailbox going less than 15 mph. The airbags deployed and it scared the s^*t outta me. Had the airbags not deployed... I wouldn't have been hurt. But they did, and I still have a 6inch scar on my arm from them. My mother was bruised from neck to waist as well. In a way, I am glad it happened. I think it has made me a more responsible and aware driver.

Does this mean that I think I am a qualified to be an F1 driver? Heck, no!

Bottom line is, you messed up. You're lucky you didn't hurt someone. Instead of asking questions and then trying on your own, go to a local autox, talk to the people there, and ask for rides. Most people (specially in miatas ) love to have passengers to help balance the weight. I learned a lot from just riding with people. Then join the car club and do some tracking or autoxing on your own. You are FAR less likely to mess up your car or hurt someone else in a controlled enviroment (i.e. track or autox). Learn when it is right time to push the limits.

k, shutting up now :p

Rxsleeper

PUR NRG

How can you read this:
and then ask what makes you ignorant, without being amazingly clueless?