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06-03-2007, 05:16 PM
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Yup, that's me! For the record, I am a grumpy, umm, middle-aged, man who doesn't suffer fools lightly.
Sorry, I am just pained about the quality of the answers in this forum. I used to enjoy coming here, but there are so many people who bought their car on a used lot a month ago, haven't read anything in the forum or know anything about the car other than "it's cool" and they don't know ****, and then dispense bad advice. Notice that after the bitch-slapping of the noob, I did give him good advice.
This RX-8 represents the fifth rotary-engined vehicle I have owned - the others include:
- 1973 RX-3 (back when you weren't even a good idea)
- 1981 RX-7 (my second car that I ever purchased for myself - GS model, Rennaisance Red - ahh ... you never forget your first RX).
- 1985 RX-7 (the first NEW car I ever purchased for myself - GS model, Tender Blue, BBS wheels, Goodyear Gatorback tires. **** hot. Amazing car, considering it had like 110 HP!).
- Mid-70's Suzuki Rotary Motorcycle - I bought this on a lark at a garage sale - literally. Paid $300 for it. Drove it about half a summer, and then sold it. Man did that thing scream.
and now ...
My 2004, GT package, 6 speed, Lightning Yellow RX-8. Black leather, florescent yellow paint, beautiful.
I'm at the age and point in my career now where I can afford fairly well whatever the hell I want to drive as long as the price is under $75,000. I started craving a new rotary-powered sports car the moment they announced it. I just KNEW I'd have one of these. I love to drive it, I love rotary engines, and I'm passionate about it. Now that I've had it, I've got it out of my system. I'll probably buy another one sometime, but this has been fun and when it's over, it will be over. I'll be getting a 2008 C-Class Mercedes-Benz Sport next. $40K for lots of fun. Will be nice.
Therefore, I can't stand morons who make broad generalized statements about the RX-8, and rotary sports cars in general, without the knowledge to back them up.
Sorry, I will stop with the Noob bashing, but I will mercilessly correct stupid information posted. If I can muster the patience to hang around here still.
So now you know, Targatheory. Feel better?
06-03-2007, 05:18 PM
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Stew not to go against you on things (us yellows have to stick together) but the 6 clicks thing could be overdoing it. I've never done more than one click on my '04 and have never caught a CEL for it. To be totally honest I didn't even know it clicked more than once until I read a poll about it somewhere on the forums. But like Targa said man... relax. Woooo-saaaaa. It'll be ok.
06-03-2007, 05:41 PM
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Stew,
Hahah thats really cool about those cars, and yes, I understand more where you're coming from.
Just keep in mind that the rx8 represents the Renesis, the genesis of the rotary. To anyone else who hasn't lived a life similar to yours, 4 years of the engine's and car's existence isn't enough at all to educate the general public, especially when there's only one vehicle of its kind around these days. Only dedicated fans would have a better idea in terms of the rx7s.
I totally agree with you though, that newcomers, though they should not be blamed just for being new, they should search. But if not, just leave em alone, let them suffer the pain of not knowing how long a rotary engine will last until the day they realize, "Hey, I've had this car for a while, **** I wanna do some research on it." Until every noob hits that high point of nirvana, just ignore em.
Its annoying when things get repeated over and over and over. But its more annoying when hot headed and proud statements retort to each and every one of them.
Noobs of today will be the wise of the future. "I owned the first rx8, rx9, and two generations of the rx10 before I bought my Reflective Red rx12! All these goddamn noobs buying rx11's now that prices are low! NOOOOOOBSSSSS!!!!"
Oh, and this isn't personalized to just Stew anymore. It was at first I guess, but I guess its more of a general statement now. I ain't hating on you man, you were just the nearest target hah.
Hahah thats really cool about those cars, and yes, I understand more where you're coming from.
Just keep in mind that the rx8 represents the Renesis, the genesis of the rotary. To anyone else who hasn't lived a life similar to yours, 4 years of the engine's and car's existence isn't enough at all to educate the general public, especially when there's only one vehicle of its kind around these days. Only dedicated fans would have a better idea in terms of the rx7s.
I totally agree with you though, that newcomers, though they should not be blamed just for being new, they should search. But if not, just leave em alone, let them suffer the pain of not knowing how long a rotary engine will last until the day they realize, "Hey, I've had this car for a while, **** I wanna do some research on it." Until every noob hits that high point of nirvana, just ignore em.
Its annoying when things get repeated over and over and over. But its more annoying when hot headed and proud statements retort to each and every one of them.
Noobs of today will be the wise of the future. "I owned the first rx8, rx9, and two generations of the rx10 before I bought my Reflective Red rx12! All these goddamn noobs buying rx11's now that prices are low! NOOOOOOBSSSSS!!!!"
Oh, and this isn't personalized to just Stew anymore. It was at first I guess, but I guess its more of a general statement now. I ain't hating on you man, you were just the nearest target hah.
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06-03-2007, 05:48 PM
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Stew,
Hahah thats really cool about those cars, and yes, I understand more where you're coming from.
Just keep in mind that the rx8 represents the Renesis, the genesis of the rotary. To anyone else who hasn't lived a life similar to yours, 4 years of the engine's and car's existence isn't enough at all to educate the general public, especially when there's only one vehicle of its kind around these days. Only dedicated fans would have a better idea in terms of the rx7s.
I totally agree with you though, that newcomers, though they should not be blamed just for being new, they should search. But if not, just leave em alone, let them suffer the pain of not knowing how long a rotary engine will last until the day they realize, "Hey, I've had this car for a while, **** I wanna do some research on it." Until every noob hits that high point of nirvana, just ignore em.
Its annoying when things get repeated over and over and over. But its more annoying when hot headed and proud statements retort to each and every one of them.
Noobs of today will be the wise of the future. "I owned the first rx8, rx9, and two generations of the rx10 before I bought my Reflective Red rx12! All these goddamn noobs buying rx11's now that prices are low! NOOOOOOBSSSSS!!!!"
Hahah thats really cool about those cars, and yes, I understand more where you're coming from.
Just keep in mind that the rx8 represents the Renesis, the genesis of the rotary. To anyone else who hasn't lived a life similar to yours, 4 years of the engine's and car's existence isn't enough at all to educate the general public, especially when there's only one vehicle of its kind around these days. Only dedicated fans would have a better idea in terms of the rx7s.
I totally agree with you though, that newcomers, though they should not be blamed just for being new, they should search. But if not, just leave em alone, let them suffer the pain of not knowing how long a rotary engine will last until the day they realize, "Hey, I've had this car for a while, **** I wanna do some research on it." Until every noob hits that high point of nirvana, just ignore em.
Its annoying when things get repeated over and over and over. But its more annoying when hot headed and proud statements retort to each and every one of them.
Noobs of today will be the wise of the future. "I owned the first rx8, rx9, and two generations of the rx10 before I bought my Reflective Red rx12! All these goddamn noobs buying rx11's now that prices are low! NOOOOOOBSSSSS!!!!"
LOL
Cool, I'll check my grumpy old man face at the door. But understand that I have more knowledge about rotary engined sporting machines under my left index fingernail than you will likely ever have in your lifetime. I've rebuilt 3 rotary engines from total knockdown. I've raced them. I love them. Don't be stupid and you won't get the big stick from mean old uncle Stew.
EDIT: If you don't know who Sargeant Hulka is, then you need to see some good old movies before (hint: Search IMDB for Stripes, then buy a six pack (if you're of age) and go rent it. You won't be sorry.)
06-03-2007, 05:54 PM
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Ya, I guess I'm just trying to say that people need to start somewhere, and today, the beginning is the Rx8...I don't even know why I'm trying to defend NoOoOoOOOOOOOOObs.....i'm gonna go do something for my life (Forza 2 xbox live demo mazdaspeed rx8 whoooop!)
06-03-2007, 06:18 PM
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Just to be fair let him rent both and then he'll decide.
06-03-2007, 07:00 PM
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its nice to see everyone give me this help =] I have done some reading since then...and obviously a little bit of driving ;-) I really like how the car feels and handles. I am a young buck of 20 and this is my first....and possibly only sports car I will have for awhile.
All I know is when I saw it, and drove it, the thing called out to me and I felt that it was the only car I wanted to buy...and...shes gorgeous, Ill put a pic in my signiture if I get a chance =]
...but guys, look at this from where im coming from. Most Newbs are willing to learn a bit about whatever there getting in to. Whether it Cars, or Games, or whatever the subject may be...there is always a starting point...
and thats were I am at...a Starting point =] hopefully my good experience here will make that ending point far in the future
Cheers, and this certinly wont be my last Post =]
All I know is when I saw it, and drove it, the thing called out to me and I felt that it was the only car I wanted to buy...and...shes gorgeous, Ill put a pic in my signiture if I get a chance =]
...but guys, look at this from where im coming from. Most Newbs are willing to learn a bit about whatever there getting in to. Whether it Cars, or Games, or whatever the subject may be...there is always a starting point...
and thats were I am at...a Starting point =] hopefully my good experience here will make that ending point far in the future
Cheers, and this certinly wont be my last Post =]
06-03-2007, 07:17 PM
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To quote Sargeant Hulka: "Oookay, hotshot ..."
LOL
Cool, I'll check my grumpy old man face at the door. But understand that I have more knowledge about rotary engined sporting machines under my left index fingernail than you will likely ever have in your lifetime. I've rebuilt 3 rotary engines from total knockdown. I've raced them. I love them. Don't be stupid and you won't get the big stick from mean old uncle Stew.
EDIT: If you don't know who Sargeant Hulka is, then you need to see some good old movies before (hint: Search IMDB for Stripes, then buy a six pack (if you're of age) and go rent it. You won't be sorry.)
LOL
Cool, I'll check my grumpy old man face at the door. But understand that I have more knowledge about rotary engined sporting machines under my left index fingernail than you will likely ever have in your lifetime. I've rebuilt 3 rotary engines from total knockdown. I've raced them. I love them. Don't be stupid and you won't get the big stick from mean old uncle Stew.
EDIT: If you don't know who Sargeant Hulka is, then you need to see some good old movies before (hint: Search IMDB for Stripes, then buy a six pack (if you're of age) and go rent it. You won't be sorry.)
And I still like the term.......... "Nooblet" better.
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06-03-2007, 07:28 PM
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Please guys....dont flame =] I Run a forum of my own, I see enough of that there =] there is room here for everyone =]
and once again, I thank everyone who helped me out, again, if you have any little tips for keeping it in tip top shape, Driving techniques that might be unique to a rotary, or just general maintenance and care...please feel free to let me know =]
and once again, I thank everyone who helped me out, again, if you have any little tips for keeping it in tip top shape, Driving techniques that might be unique to a rotary, or just general maintenance and care...please feel free to let me know =]
06-03-2007, 07:58 PM
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explain why he's wrong and explain why a lower octane fuel wouldn't cause detonation? i would love to hear your detailed explanation. i'm a tech and not only did it happen to my car, it happened to customers' cars as well. the knock sensor alone won't adjust the timing and fix the detonation on MOST cars. i haven't seen this happen to an 8 but seen a handful of other manufacturers that would have their CEL on when lower octane fuel is put in. there is simple science on why there would be poor performace from a newer engine if lower octane is used.
06-03-2007, 10:48 PM
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The official stance of Mazda on this car is "Premium Recommended" not "Premium Required". I've spoken to a number of Mazda techs as well as a factory rep, and they've all said "well, you won't hurt anything by burning 87 in it, although you will get somewhat better performance on 91 or better."
This all said, I'm VERY familiar with this issue, and dare I say knowledgeable on the subject of ignition timing in a rotary. I raced an early RX-7 back in the day, and rebuilt its engine from bare parts up.
First of all, I've never heard any knock whatsoever in ANY rotary engined car I've owned, and I've had four of them. My racing mechanic that worked with me on my 81 RX-7 with a heavily juiced 12A rotary that STILL burned pump regular, said detonation and knock is a different animal in a rotary than in a piston engine - first of all you have the inherent "rotary motion" of the rotary - pre-ignition, aka "knock" is when part of the charge begins to fire under the compression stroke, versus when the spark plug fires. That differs from pure detonation when the entire charge explodes rather than burns.
Detonation in a piston engine usually happens before the piston hits TDC (Top Dead Center), and its catastrophic when it happens - the explosion stops the piston and reverse its motion, breaking the rod, and causing all manner of hell. Pre-ignition or knock usually is caused by one small "corner" of the combustion chamber firing just before the spark plug sets the whole shebang off. Knock is a precursor to detonation. But it happens AFTER the piston clears TDC but just before the plug fires.
Rotary engines will "knock" with pre-ignition given the right circumstances like a dirty engine running crap gasoline - not just a low octane rating but also poorer quality gas. But it doesn't sound like typical knock due to the rotary motion - the "knock" you hear is actually the clanking of the rods in the engine. Now, detonation, defined as a charge explosion that STOPS and OR REVERSES the motion of the rotor is VERY rare in a rotary due to the wide spread "squish" zone when the charge is under compression and the fact that rotary engines have tremendous rotational inertia - the rotors go one direction and never start and stop like a piston does. Detonation just usually doesn't happen, and again, if it did, it would have to have some other cause than just running 87 Octane gas in it.
OK, so head to the Renesis RX-8 rotary - a 13B variant. Compression ratio is up a bit from the old 12A's I used to run, and for sure things like fuel delivery and all that are different. That said, I've talked at length with Mazda and with techs and NO ONE from any party has said that 87 will harm the car in any way whatsoever. I even did some unscientific testing of my own the first summer I had the car. Using my G-Tech meter, and starting out with about of a tank of gas of 93 Octane Amoco Ultimate from BP, I did six 0-60 runs with it - 3 in each direction over the same stretch of secluded road. Best launch and time I got was 6.13 seconds. I then motored around until the fuel warning light came on - about 20 minutes worth of driving - then added 4 gallons of 87 octane BP regular unleaded. This raised the fuel level higher than I started with on the Premium, but I went for the runs anyway (despite the weight penalty of an extra gallon and a half of gas.) Same place, same launch techniques, everything. On the 87, my times were nearly exactly like that of when it was running on Premium. I even clocked a better "best run" on the 87 - 6.03 seconds to 60 - that .10 second I chalk up to nailing the launch the best out of all 12 of my runs.
My point is: I see absolutely NO performance difference between regular and premium gas, in my '04, 6-speed, GT package, screaming yellow beast. I even see slightly BETTER gas mileage on the regular - about .5 mpg, measured over several long trips. A petrol engineer friend says that regular has has a few more BTU's of energy potential per kilogram than Premium because the octane boosting additive package displaces a bit of the energy potential in the gasoline.
So you see, Mr. 44 posts, I actually know a bit about the subject.
Stew
This all said, I'm VERY familiar with this issue, and dare I say knowledgeable on the subject of ignition timing in a rotary. I raced an early RX-7 back in the day, and rebuilt its engine from bare parts up.
First of all, I've never heard any knock whatsoever in ANY rotary engined car I've owned, and I've had four of them. My racing mechanic that worked with me on my 81 RX-7 with a heavily juiced 12A rotary that STILL burned pump regular, said detonation and knock is a different animal in a rotary than in a piston engine - first of all you have the inherent "rotary motion" of the rotary - pre-ignition, aka "knock" is when part of the charge begins to fire under the compression stroke, versus when the spark plug fires. That differs from pure detonation when the entire charge explodes rather than burns.
Detonation in a piston engine usually happens before the piston hits TDC (Top Dead Center), and its catastrophic when it happens - the explosion stops the piston and reverse its motion, breaking the rod, and causing all manner of hell. Pre-ignition or knock usually is caused by one small "corner" of the combustion chamber firing just before the spark plug sets the whole shebang off. Knock is a precursor to detonation. But it happens AFTER the piston clears TDC but just before the plug fires.
Rotary engines will "knock" with pre-ignition given the right circumstances like a dirty engine running crap gasoline - not just a low octane rating but also poorer quality gas. But it doesn't sound like typical knock due to the rotary motion - the "knock" you hear is actually the clanking of the rods in the engine. Now, detonation, defined as a charge explosion that STOPS and OR REVERSES the motion of the rotor is VERY rare in a rotary due to the wide spread "squish" zone when the charge is under compression and the fact that rotary engines have tremendous rotational inertia - the rotors go one direction and never start and stop like a piston does. Detonation just usually doesn't happen, and again, if it did, it would have to have some other cause than just running 87 Octane gas in it.
OK, so head to the Renesis RX-8 rotary - a 13B variant. Compression ratio is up a bit from the old 12A's I used to run, and for sure things like fuel delivery and all that are different. That said, I've talked at length with Mazda and with techs and NO ONE from any party has said that 87 will harm the car in any way whatsoever. I even did some unscientific testing of my own the first summer I had the car. Using my G-Tech meter, and starting out with about of a tank of gas of 93 Octane Amoco Ultimate from BP, I did six 0-60 runs with it - 3 in each direction over the same stretch of secluded road. Best launch and time I got was 6.13 seconds. I then motored around until the fuel warning light came on - about 20 minutes worth of driving - then added 4 gallons of 87 octane BP regular unleaded. This raised the fuel level higher than I started with on the Premium, but I went for the runs anyway (despite the weight penalty of an extra gallon and a half of gas.) Same place, same launch techniques, everything. On the 87, my times were nearly exactly like that of when it was running on Premium. I even clocked a better "best run" on the 87 - 6.03 seconds to 60 - that .10 second I chalk up to nailing the launch the best out of all 12 of my runs.
My point is: I see absolutely NO performance difference between regular and premium gas, in my '04, 6-speed, GT package, screaming yellow beast. I even see slightly BETTER gas mileage on the regular - about .5 mpg, measured over several long trips. A petrol engineer friend says that regular has has a few more BTU's of energy potential per kilogram than Premium because the octane boosting additive package displaces a bit of the energy potential in the gasoline.
So you see, Mr. 44 posts, I actually know a bit about the subject.
Stew
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06-03-2007, 10:54 PM
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explain why he's wrong and explain why a lower octane fuel wouldn't cause detonation? i would love to hear your detailed explanation. i'm a tech and not only did it happen to my car, it happened to customers' cars as well. the knock sensor alone won't adjust the timing and fix the detonation on MOST cars. i haven't seen this happen to an 8 but seen a handful of other manufacturers that would have their CEL on when lower octane fuel is put in. there is simple science on why there would be poor performace from a newer engine if lower octane is used.
1) Mazda's ECU has no ability to measure the quality of the gas.
2) Refer to my post about knock and detonation.
3) Refer to my post about my performance testing.
Bottom line, no difference whatsover.
IF YOU SEARCH THIS TOPIC, YOU WILL SEE THIS RESULT REPLICATED OVER AND OVER BY DOZENS OF MEMBERS that have more than 44 posts.
Since you claim to be a tech, please explain for the class how Mazda's ECU works in relation to Premium gas versus regular unleaded. Also, I'm very interested to understand that if your car had a detonation problem, why does its engine still run. My guess is you don't know the difference between pre-ignition, aka "knock" and "detonation". Because if your car HAD suffered from detonation, I think you'd be crying for a new engine.
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06-03-2007, 11:00 PM
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shorter answer.. i have been running 87 since new. no problems.. i run a tank of 93 every now and then when i flog the car to clean it..
first motor went to 55 k mile. still 21 mpg. running fine. second motor 14k miles still 21 mpg running fine..
now if i were to do a track day, not that i would do one. i would run 93..
that could void my warranty
beers
first motor went to 55 k mile. still 21 mpg. running fine. second motor 14k miles still 21 mpg running fine..
now if i were to do a track day, not that i would do one. i would run 93..
that could void my warranty
beers
06-04-2007, 12:06 AM
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having 44 posts doesn't have to do with anything relevant to what you're explaining. this forum really needs to stop treating people with less than 300 post like ignorant little ****** . i NEVER said that my 13b experienced detonation, pinging or knocking. i said that my PREVIOUS car had the CEL go on for putting a low octane fuel in it, and in my case, the performance really dropped off. i NEVER said it caused detonation in any case. i said it COULD certainly happen if certain conditions add up. if you read my previous post again, i said that detonation is more likely to happen to NEWER engines. i never said or even talked about rotaries knocking. all i'm saying is that lower octane fuel has an effect on performance and in some cases turn on the CEL. i honestly appreciate your detailed explanation. what you're saying is right and i agree with it. however, i also believe that the guy you called a noob was correct.
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Ah, another goddamned, 20-post, know it all newbie.
Octane doesn't have dick to do with that, dipwad. My '04 RX-8 has run on a steady diet of 87 octane BP and is just fine.
Check your gas cap - six clicks when you close it. Most likely the culprit. Reopen then reclose your gas cap, then drive for 3 days and see if the CEL goes away. I bet it does.
Octane doesn't have dick to do with that, dipwad. My '04 RX-8 has run on a steady diet of 87 octane BP and is just fine.
Check your gas cap - six clicks when you close it. Most likely the culprit. Reopen then reclose your gas cap, then drive for 3 days and see if the CEL goes away. I bet it does.
100% correct!!!!!!
thanks stew, said it better than i could of!!!!!!!!!!!
even the owners manual says its fine to run 87 in it.
the car will run fine with lower octain.
for optimal performance use high grade, 93 octain.
the use of 87 will not cause a check engine light, its the stupidest **** i heard today.
06-04-2007, 12:20 AM
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having 44 posts doesn't have to do with anything relevant to what you're explaining. this forum really needs to stop treating people with less than 300 post like ignorant little ****** . i NEVER said that my 13b experienced detonation, pinging or knocking. i said that my PREVIOUS car had the CEL go on for putting a low octane fuel in it, and in my case, the performance really dropped off. i NEVER said it caused detonation in any case. i said it COULD certainly happen if certain conditions add up. if you read my previous post again, i said that detonation is more likely to happen to NEWER engines. i never said or even talked about rotaries knocking. all i'm saying is that lower octane fuel has an effect on performance and in some cases turn on the CEL. i honestly appreciate your detailed explanation. what you're saying is right and i agree with it. however, i also believe that the guy you called a noob was correct.
06-04-2007, 01:28 AM
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here's what i did. i was just about to pick up a pack of cigarettes from the gas station when i noticed i was almost on empty. so what did i do? yes, i pumped 2 gallons worth of 87 octane gas in my 8. i drove the car hard, redlining it a couple of times, and drove around 'till i was almost out . no drop off in performance and no CEL. YOU GUYS WERE RIGHT ON THIS. in my PREVIOUS CAR, this would not have been possible. so with this said, a low octane fuel in the RX-8 would NOT turn on the CEL. when i topped off with 91 octane, i did not tighten the cap all the way. i drove it around for about 5 minutes, no CEL. after 18 miles, the CEL came on. so there you go. the low octane fuel didn't cause the CEL to come on but the gas cap not tightly closed did. i will do the same test on my sister's cl type-s in a couple of days as the tank is still half-way. (i'm sure honda engines are more prone to poor performance and CEL with low octane fuel)
06-04-2007, 01:37 AM
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here's what i did. i was just about to pick up a pack of cigarettes from the gas station when i noticed i was almost on empty. so what did i do? yes, i pumped 2 gallons worth of 87 octane gas in my 8. i drove the car hard, redlining it a couple of times, and drove around 'till i was almost out . no drop off in performance and no CEL. YOU GUYS WERE RIGHT ON THIS. in my PREVIOUS CAR, this would not have been possible. so with this said, a low octane fuel in the RX-8 would NOT turn on the CEL. when i topped off with 91 octane, i did not tighten the cap all the way. i drove it around for about 5 minutes, no CEL. after 18 miles, the CEL came on. so there you go. the low octane fuel didn't cause the CEL to come on but the gas cap not tightly closed did. i will do the same test on my sister's cl type-s in a couple of days as the tank is still half-way. (i'm sure honda engines are more prone to poor performance and CEL with low octane fuel)
wow,,
you are wrong.. if you really run the car hard with less than a 1/4 tank.. i mean run the car hard .. as in a couple of full throttle runs to above 125.. then one to 146 you will get a flashing cel... i have had it happen twice...
does not happen on a tank of gas above 1/4. octane does not matter.. but my gas cap was tight..
beer
06-04-2007, 07:05 AM
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having 44 posts doesn't have to do with anything relevant to what you're explaining. this forum really needs to stop treating people with less than 300 post like ignorant little ****** . i NEVER said that my 13b experienced detonation, pinging or knocking. i said that my PREVIOUS car had the CEL go on for putting a low octane fuel in it, and in my case, the performance really dropped off. i NEVER said it caused detonation in any case. i said it COULD certainly happen if certain conditions add up. if you read my previous post again, i said that detonation is more likely to happen to NEWER engines. i never said or even talked about rotaries knocking. all i'm saying is that lower octane fuel has an effect on performance and in some cases turn on the CEL. i honestly appreciate your detailed explanation. what you're saying is right and i agree with it. however, i also believe that the guy you called a noob was correct.
But, question - I had 2001 Acura TL-S prior to this car, and while when you ran it with low octane gas, it seemed to definitely be down on power, I never got a CEL when doing it. Your car was a Honda?
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If YOU read your post, you don't say that the car in question was a Honda product. You said "I've experienced it on my car" and your signature says you drive an RX-8. Simple extrapoloation.
But, question - I had 2001 Acura TL-S prior to this car, and while when you ran it with low octane gas, it seemed to definitely be down on power, I never got a CEL when doing it. Your car was a Honda?
But, question - I had 2001 Acura TL-S prior to this car, and while when you ran it with low octane gas, it seemed to definitely be down on power, I never got a CEL when doing it. Your car was a Honda?
yep. i HAD an acura rsx type s. i thought hondas were reliable. i had nothing but problems with that car. it was an '02, first production. transmission recallS, (notice the capital S), low vacuum, broken shift fork, suspension noise etc. finally got rid of it in march. the only thing i miss about it was high mpg and sound of engine when vtec takes effect.
"run the car hard .. as in a couple of full throttle runs to above 125.. then one to 146 you will get a flashing cel... i have had it happen twice... "
125 MPH? 146 MPH?
"The dissemination of wrong information by certain retards. Ugh. Get lost."
what is the wrong information you're pertaining here? that you can't pick up a CEL with lower octane? true in the RX8 but not all cars. i posted on this thread to help out somebody and now i'm being flamed for something that actually happened to me with my previous car? i even went out of my way and tested what this whole thread was supposed to be about in my own RX8, risking speeding tickets and spending 5 bucks for gas, and 45 mins of my own damn time for something i'm going to get ridiculed on. lastly, i'm not going down to a level of name callings and total disrespect like you have.
Last edited by mikeferz42; 06-04-2007 at 02:46 PM.
06-04-2007, 03:19 PM
#49
Insanely Yellow
Dude, decaf. I personally parked my grumpy old man face for you and another guy here ...
Well, I will lightly give you the "big toe" for your post - this is an RX-8 forum and what you posted made no clear reference or inference that you weren't talking about an RX-8 - you said "my car" not "my previous car" or "my last car, an Acura RSX" - therefore those of us that knew you were absolutely wrong as it pertains to an RX-8 busted you. You had made a veiled reference on a previous page about an RSX-S but I didn't connect the two until you started railing about it.
For future reference, if you do not know absolutely that what you're saying pertains to this car (because it is quite unique), then say "well in other cars I've had ... such as ..., therefore, I would guess that Mazda has a similar thing going on ... anyone know for sure?"
Saying that then shows that
1) you're honest that you don't know for sure that what you're saying pertains to the RX-8;
2) Encourages those that DO know on the subject to chime up
3) Shows some thoughtful effort a helping out a club brother even if you don't have exactly what you're looking for
4) Flameproofs you when someone who DOES have the real answer posts up.
It's all in the language ...
Have a happy day!
Well, I will lightly give you the "big toe" for your post - this is an RX-8 forum and what you posted made no clear reference or inference that you weren't talking about an RX-8 - you said "my car" not "my previous car" or "my last car, an Acura RSX" - therefore those of us that knew you were absolutely wrong as it pertains to an RX-8 busted you. You had made a veiled reference on a previous page about an RSX-S but I didn't connect the two until you started railing about it.
For future reference, if you do not know absolutely that what you're saying pertains to this car (because it is quite unique), then say "well in other cars I've had ... such as ..., therefore, I would guess that Mazda has a similar thing going on ... anyone know for sure?"
Saying that then shows that
1) you're honest that you don't know for sure that what you're saying pertains to the RX-8;
2) Encourages those that DO know on the subject to chime up
3) Shows some thoughtful effort a helping out a club brother even if you don't have exactly what you're looking for
4) Flameproofs you when someone who DOES have the real answer posts up.
It's all in the language ...
Have a happy day!
06-04-2007, 04:07 PM
#50
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Dude, decaf. I personally parked my grumpy old man face for you and another guy here ...
Well, I will lightly give you the "big toe" for your post - this is an RX-8 forum and what you posted made no clear reference or inference that you weren't talking about an RX-8 - you said "my car" not "my previous car" or "my last car, an Acura RSX" - therefore those of us that knew you were absolutely wrong as it pertains to an RX-8 busted you. You had made a veiled reference on a previous page about an RSX-S but I didn't connect the two until you started railing about it.
For future reference, if you do not know absolutely that what you're saying pertains to this car (because it is quite unique), then say "well in other cars I've had ... such as ..., therefore, I would guess that Mazda has a similar thing going on ... anyone know for sure?"
Saying that then shows that
1) you're honest that you don't know for sure that what you're saying pertains to the RX-8;
2) Encourages those that DO know on the subject to chime up
3) Shows some thoughtful effort a helping out a club brother even if you don't have exactly what you're looking for
4) Flameproofs you when someone who DOES have the real answer posts up.
It's all in the language ...
Have a happy day!
Well, I will lightly give you the "big toe" for your post - this is an RX-8 forum and what you posted made no clear reference or inference that you weren't talking about an RX-8 - you said "my car" not "my previous car" or "my last car, an Acura RSX" - therefore those of us that knew you were absolutely wrong as it pertains to an RX-8 busted you. You had made a veiled reference on a previous page about an RSX-S but I didn't connect the two until you started railing about it.
For future reference, if you do not know absolutely that what you're saying pertains to this car (because it is quite unique), then say "well in other cars I've had ... such as ..., therefore, I would guess that Mazda has a similar thing going on ... anyone know for sure?"
Saying that then shows that
1) you're honest that you don't know for sure that what you're saying pertains to the RX-8;
2) Encourages those that DO know on the subject to chime up
3) Shows some thoughtful effort a helping out a club brother even if you don't have exactly what you're looking for
4) Flameproofs you when someone who DOES have the real answer posts up.
It's all in the language ...
Have a happy day!
I suddenly feel kinda sick to my stomach! J/K
