I own an Sti, but may move to RX8
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Originally Posted by StealthFox
either way, neither ......... or mazda currently produces a sportscar
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What exactly is people's definition of a sportscar then? I'm very confused. My friend has the ralley edition STI, he bought it new and it didn't even have a radio or anything. But man that thing fly's. His favorite thing to do is to get all 4 wheels off the ground in a mind boggling show of major air. I call it a sports car, if it's ralley, then it's a sport. I wouldn't call the regular WRX a sportscar, but an STI...I might call it a sportscar, although by definition it's a 4 door sedan.
This is the offical definition of a Sports Car as per the Dictionary:
sports car
n.
1. An automobile equipped for racing, especially an aerodynamically shaped one-passenger or two-passenger vehicle having a low center of gravity and steering and suspension designed for precise control at high speeds.
n 2. : a small low car with a high-powered engine; usually seats two persons [syn: sport car]
This is the offical definition of a Sports Car as per the Dictionary:
sports car
n.
1. An automobile equipped for racing, especially an aerodynamically shaped one-passenger or two-passenger vehicle having a low center of gravity and steering and suspension designed for precise control at high speeds.
n 2. : a small low car with a high-powered engine; usually seats two persons [syn: sport car]
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Originally Posted by StealthFox
the sti is not a sports car.
Yeah, I think it is.
The old lines have blurred with the new generation of fast, well balanced cars.
4 doors is not the determing factor anymore.
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[" don't at all agree with the characterizations of the STI being a sports car and the RX8 a GT. The RX8 has better steering response, a better shifter, better chassis, better weight distribution, better balance, better road feel, and it's more nimble. My 6-speed RX8 weighs 400 pounds less than the STI and the weight is lower to the ground and more concentrated towards the center of the car. All of those things are important in a sports car, not a GT. Also, I don't think the STI's understeer is blown out of proportion... sure, it's better than the WRX, but it's noticeable at the more than just the track. Lastly, the STI's braking isn't better than the RX8.
Even the lowly Miata offers more of a traditional sports car feel than the STI (despite the Miata's lack of power). Don't misunderstand me... the STI is a wonderful vehicle, but it's more of a street legal track car (despite its mediocre steering feel, understeer, and hefty weight). Ultimately, the fact that the RX8 is able to offer a more comfortable ride than other sports cars is irrelevant to it being called a sports car so long as it offers sports car driving dynamics (same goes for it having 4-doors... the reason people usually cite for calling it a GT)."
100% dead on, I've driven a couple STI's they feel like your driving a milk box compared to the 8,anyway you cut it that car leans. Ike talks about what the car has to do stock and makes comment after somment about "tweak the brembos" "better tires" dial out the understeer etc.... seems like alot to do for a 34k car that feels like it's got 150kmiles when they have 20k. No matter what Ike says it's not as a pure sports car like the 8. Oh and the chassis!!! the 8's is purpose built for a sports car!!!!! The 8's chassis isn't shared with severaly other grocery getters either, maybe it should be to be considered a real sports car. Deslock hopefully c-ya at the next tech day!! this post might be a little late & off topic oh well Ike bugs me, there must be a nice subie forum for Ike to troll on, everywhere I look his two cents, usally about subies, doesn't seem very objective.
Even the lowly Miata offers more of a traditional sports car feel than the STI (despite the Miata's lack of power). Don't misunderstand me... the STI is a wonderful vehicle, but it's more of a street legal track car (despite its mediocre steering feel, understeer, and hefty weight). Ultimately, the fact that the RX8 is able to offer a more comfortable ride than other sports cars is irrelevant to it being called a sports car so long as it offers sports car driving dynamics (same goes for it having 4-doors... the reason people usually cite for calling it a GT)."
100% dead on, I've driven a couple STI's they feel like your driving a milk box compared to the 8,anyway you cut it that car leans. Ike talks about what the car has to do stock and makes comment after somment about "tweak the brembos" "better tires" dial out the understeer etc.... seems like alot to do for a 34k car that feels like it's got 150kmiles when they have 20k. No matter what Ike says it's not as a pure sports car like the 8. Oh and the chassis!!! the 8's is purpose built for a sports car!!!!! The 8's chassis isn't shared with severaly other grocery getters either, maybe it should be to be considered a real sports car. Deslock hopefully c-ya at the next tech day!! this post might be a little late & off topic oh well Ike bugs me, there must be a nice subie forum for Ike to troll on, everywhere I look his two cents, usally about subies, doesn't seem very objective.
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Originally Posted by dwill9578
[" don't at all agree with the characterizations of the STI being a sports car and the RX8 a GT. The RX8 has better steering response, a better shifter, better chassis, better weight distribution, better balance, better road feel, and it's more nimble. My 6-speed RX8 weighs 400 pounds less than the STI and the weight is lower to the ground and more concentrated towards the center of the car. All of those things are important in a sports car, not a GT. Also, I don't think the STI's understeer is blown out of proportion... sure, it's better than the WRX, but it's noticeable at the more than just the track. Lastly, the STI's braking isn't better than the RX8.
Even the lowly Miata offers more of a traditional sports car feel than the STI (despite the Miata's lack of power). Don't misunderstand me... the STI is a wonderful vehicle, but it's more of a street legal track car (despite its mediocre steering feel, understeer, and hefty weight). Ultimately, the fact that the RX8 is able to offer a more comfortable ride than other sports cars is irrelevant to it being called a sports car so long as it offers sports car driving dynamics (same goes for it having 4-doors... the reason people usually cite for calling it a GT)."
100% dead on, I've driven a couple STI's they feel like your driving a milk box compared to the 8,anyway you cut it that car leans. Ike talks about what the car has to do stock and makes comment after somment about "tweak the brembos" "better tires" dial out the understeer etc.... seems like alot to do for a 34k car that feels like it's got 150kmiles when they have 20k. No matter what Ike says it's not as a pure sports car like the 8. Oh and the chassis!!! the 8's is purpose built for a sports car!!!!! The 8's chassis isn't shared with severaly other grocery getters either, maybe it should be to be considered a real sports car. Deslock hopefully c-ya at the next tech day!! this post might be a little late & off topic oh well Ike bugs me, there must be a nice subie forum for Ike to troll on, everywhere I look his two cents, usally about subies, doesn't seem very objective.
Even the lowly Miata offers more of a traditional sports car feel than the STI (despite the Miata's lack of power). Don't misunderstand me... the STI is a wonderful vehicle, but it's more of a street legal track car (despite its mediocre steering feel, understeer, and hefty weight). Ultimately, the fact that the RX8 is able to offer a more comfortable ride than other sports cars is irrelevant to it being called a sports car so long as it offers sports car driving dynamics (same goes for it having 4-doors... the reason people usually cite for calling it a GT)."
100% dead on, I've driven a couple STI's they feel like your driving a milk box compared to the 8,anyway you cut it that car leans. Ike talks about what the car has to do stock and makes comment after somment about "tweak the brembos" "better tires" dial out the understeer etc.... seems like alot to do for a 34k car that feels like it's got 150kmiles when they have 20k. No matter what Ike says it's not as a pure sports car like the 8. Oh and the chassis!!! the 8's is purpose built for a sports car!!!!! The 8's chassis isn't shared with severaly other grocery getters either, maybe it should be to be considered a real sports car. Deslock hopefully c-ya at the next tech day!! this post might be a little late & off topic oh well Ike bugs me, there must be a nice subie forum for Ike to troll on, everywhere I look his two cents, usally about subies, doesn't seem very objective.
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Originally Posted by IkeWRX
It's more sportyscar than any current Mazda or Audi, and people actually use them as such. Also you're a douche for bumping this thread :p
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Regards,
Ike
BTW, a sportscar is a car that was designed primarily for competition. The Miata has us both beat. The 8 is supposed to be a "practical sportscar" with the 2+2 seating, and the STi is based on an economy car. Neither is a sportscar.
If squirting from stoplight to stoplight with two hunting dogs in the back while wearing LL Bean Maine hiking boots ever becomes a sport, then maybe you'll have something there.
edit: corrected spelling
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Here are 15,000+ threads for you to sort through, I'm certainly not going to do it for you.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/foru...c&daysprune=-1
http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=13
http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=14
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/foru...c&daysprune=-1
http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=13
http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=14
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Scanned through the 12-13 pages of blah blah blah. Just a few corrections to make :
- The Forrester XT is faster than the STi because of what IkeWRX said and also because of GEARING, with Subarus you can pretty much listen to Ike
- The OP sounds like a troll, I mean an STI to an RX8??? That's like saying a Ferrari Enzo to a Hyundai, a big downgrade in performance, durability and all out fun (in terms of how much you can mod the car).
The EVOs, STIs, GTRs are all every bit a sports car. The fact that they are not even available in AUTOMATIC should be a resounding point.
- The Forrester XT is faster than the STi because of what IkeWRX said and also because of GEARING, with Subarus you can pretty much listen to Ike
- The OP sounds like a troll, I mean an STI to an RX8??? That's like saying a Ferrari Enzo to a Hyundai, a big downgrade in performance, durability and all out fun (in terms of how much you can mod the car).
The EVOs, STIs, GTRs are all every bit a sports car. The fact that they are not even available in AUTOMATIC should be a resounding point.
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Originally Posted by Shiri
Scanned through the 12-13 pages of blah blah blah. Just a few corrections to make :
- The Forrester XT is faster than the STi because of what IkeWRX said and also because of GEARING, with Subarus you can pretty much listen to Ike
- The Forrester XT is faster than the STi because of what IkeWRX said and also because of GEARING, with Subarus you can pretty much listen to Ike
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I'm in NJ, but my car is silver haha. But, I have a front license plate cause they'll pull you over out here if you don't have one.
Personally. I'd hang on for another year. You might enjoy a better version of rx8 to come, so waiting it out might not be a bad idea. Good luck!!
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Originally Posted by IkeWRX
Here are 15,000+ threads for you to sort through, I'm certainly not going to do it for you.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/foru...c&daysprune=-1
http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=13
http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=14
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/foru...c&daysprune=-1
http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=13
http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=14
Pretty weak, Ike.
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Originally Posted by IkeWRX
Eh, maybe not by the traditional definition. But IMO opinion that definition needs to be retired and cars like the Evo and STi have more sport in them than any other car on the road for under 50k. Autocross it, drag race it, rally it, they'll do it all and keep asking for more, that's pretty sporty if you ask me.
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Originally Posted by dwill9578
[" don't at all agree with the characterizations of the STI being a sports car and the RX8 a GT. The RX8 has better steering response, a better shifter, better chassis, better weight distribution, better balance, better road feel, and it's more nimble. My 6-speed RX8 weighs 400 pounds less than the STI and the weight is lower to the ground and more concentrated towards the center of the car. All of those things are important in a sports car, not a GT. Also, I don't think the STI's understeer is blown out of proportion... sure, it's better than the WRX, but it's noticeable at the more than just the track. Lastly, the STI's braking isn't better than the RX8.
Even the lowly Miata offers more of a traditional sports car feel than the STI (despite the Miata's lack of power). Don't misunderstand me... the STI is a wonderful vehicle, but it's more of a street legal track car (despite its mediocre steering feel, understeer, and hefty weight). Ultimately, the fact that the RX8 is able to offer a more comfortable ride than other sports cars is irrelevant to it being called a sports car so long as it offers sports car driving dynamics (same goes for it having 4-doors... the reason people usually cite for calling it a GT)."
100% dead on, I've driven a couple STI's they feel like your driving a milk box compared to the 8,anyway you cut it that car leans. Ike talks about what the car has to do stock and makes comment after somment about "tweak the brembos" "better tires" dial out the understeer etc.... seems like alot to do for a 34k car that feels like it's got 150kmiles when they have 20k. No matter what Ike says it's not as a pure sports car like the 8. Oh and the chassis!!! the 8's is purpose built for a sports car!!!!! The 8's chassis isn't shared with severaly other grocery getters either, maybe it should be to be considered a real sports car. Deslock hopefully c-ya at the next tech day!! this post might be a little late & off topic oh well Ike bugs me, there must be a nice subie forum for Ike to troll on, everywhere I look his two cents, usally about subies, doesn't seem very objective.
Even the lowly Miata offers more of a traditional sports car feel than the STI (despite the Miata's lack of power). Don't misunderstand me... the STI is a wonderful vehicle, but it's more of a street legal track car (despite its mediocre steering feel, understeer, and hefty weight). Ultimately, the fact that the RX8 is able to offer a more comfortable ride than other sports cars is irrelevant to it being called a sports car so long as it offers sports car driving dynamics (same goes for it having 4-doors... the reason people usually cite for calling it a GT)."
100% dead on, I've driven a couple STI's they feel like your driving a milk box compared to the 8,anyway you cut it that car leans. Ike talks about what the car has to do stock and makes comment after somment about "tweak the brembos" "better tires" dial out the understeer etc.... seems like alot to do for a 34k car that feels like it's got 150kmiles when they have 20k. No matter what Ike says it's not as a pure sports car like the 8. Oh and the chassis!!! the 8's is purpose built for a sports car!!!!! The 8's chassis isn't shared with severaly other grocery getters either, maybe it should be to be considered a real sports car. Deslock hopefully c-ya at the next tech day!! this post might be a little late & off topic oh well Ike bugs me, there must be a nice subie forum for Ike to troll on, everywhere I look his two cents, usally about subies, doesn't seem very objective.
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Originally Posted by Ellar
Anyone else find any videos like the ones I was talking about by following those links? All I found was some WRC stuff, and a video of like Daytona with some Subaru-based cars mixed in. Nothing like I was talking about, right?
Pretty weak, Ike.
Pretty weak, Ike.
Also just this past week Subaru was a very popular entry into the One Lap of America, in addition to being the most popular car at the Rim of the World rally the same weekend. It also swept every class it was entered in. Go to any local dragstrip, autox, rallyx and the WRXs abound. But I guess you need in car videos for proof...
This is about the stupidest argument I've ever been in.