i saw this by accident, and i'm mad
03-03-2005, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by dmp
However faulting ANY company when ppl use their products in an unreasonable mannor is bad.
I really feel strongly about ethics in any industry and I just think people don't give a rats *** any more about what they are selling. It's ironic that at my university engineers were required to take an ethics course, but business/commerce students weren't. It's ALL about the $ nowadays.
03-03-2005, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by MrJynx
screw the SRT-4 . Look at it, regardless it's a neon. I'm not hatin on any Neon drivers, but I read that post, and the clowns in that forum are just a bunch of teenage kids who probaly work at 711 and have been saving up for this car for the last 3 years. It's great that they have actually put time and effort into their cars, but we all know that off the line our cars aren't the greatest. But who cares, we'll DESTROY them on the highway 
j/ks
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j/ksThey may beat us off the line, but remember. . . . Their girls are watching us!!!
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03-03-2005, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by khtm
Well where does it stop, Ike?
You still can't deny that Dodge has marketed the STR-4 to a younger crowd (just go to the Dodge website, it's frickin' obvious). And they know that it's cheap, easily moddable, and has tons of power. So it doesn't take a rocket scientist to assume that kids will use it for street racing. Just look at the insurance rates for these cars.
You still can't deny that Dodge has marketed the STR-4 to a younger crowd (just go to the Dodge website, it's frickin' obvious). And they know that it's cheap, easily moddable, and has tons of power. So it doesn't take a rocket scientist to assume that kids will use it for street racing. Just look at the insurance rates for these cars.
03-03-2005, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by khtm
What about cigarette companies? That's the easiest rebuttal to your point. Why do all their websites have tips on how to quit smoking now? Hmmm...lawsuits. So I guess it's been proven that they are at fault for how people use their products.
I really feel strongly about ethics in any industry and I just think people don't give a rats *** any more about what they are selling. It's ALL about the $ nowadays.
I really feel strongly about ethics in any industry and I just think people don't give a rats *** any more about what they are selling. It's ALL about the $ nowadays.
Tobacco Lawsuits are a scam - they don't benefit anyone but the attorneys who bring them. Tobacco use is a choice. People should make informed decisions about their behaviour, and suffer the benefits or rewards of that conduct.
Tobacco Industry arguments in a thread about responsible use of a car? Apples and oranges anyway
03-03-2005, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by dmp
Tobacco Lawsuits are a scam - they don't benefit anyone but the attorneys who bring them. Tobacco use is a choice. People should make informed decisions about their behaviour, and suffer the benefits or rewards of that conduct.
Tobacco Industry arguments in a thread about responsible use of a car? Apples and oranges anyway
Tobacco Industry arguments in a thread about responsible use of a car? Apples and oranges anyway
03-03-2005, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by dmp
Dodge markets their car to ANY adult - anyone who can legally sign a contract.
http://www.daimlerchrysler.ca/EN/DOD...DGE-SX20,.html
Oh yeah, this is my favorite quote:
An incredible optional Kicker/Livin' Loud system with 6-disc CD changer, 178-watt output and nine speakers at seven locations, including a 10-inch woofer with a 75-watt sub-amplifier, that blasts the tunes at a volume your parents warned you about
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03-03-2005, 11:06 AM
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Price?
I just went through the Neons (oops....SRT-4's) pricing configurator. Selecting the base SRT-4 with only one option -- the floor mats that come standard with the '8 -- I got a retail (sticker) price of $28,558.30. My 2005 RX-8 stickered at $27,135. I thought the Neons (oops....SRT-4's) were supposed to be an inexpensive rocket-mobile? For a sticker price that's $1423 more than the RX-8, I'm not having to think too terribly hard about this. And yes, that's only the sticker price on the Neon (ooops, SRT-4) which can obviously be negotiated, but the same is (and was) true on my '8.
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03-03-2005, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by khtm
Bill, if you used my link above, it's to the Dodge Canada website, so those are CDN prices
Sorry 'bout that....
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03-07-2005, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by -=Rowdy=-
Originally Posted by IkeWRX
Ummm, per Car and Driver.
2005 Mustang GT 1/4 Mile 13.8@103mph
2004 SRT-4 1/4 mile 13.8@103mph
They're also talking about the much slower older Mustangs, so maybe it's not them that are the idiots...
RX-8 = Smoked (especially on the highway)
Himitsu, I see what you're getting at but your analogy is silly. You drive a mazda, not a Ferrari not even a Lexus or an Acura, a Mazda. We're talking about a 10k price difference vs. a 580k price difference.
2005 Mustang GT 1/4 Mile 13.8@103mph
2004 SRT-4 1/4 mile 13.8@103mph
They're also talking about the much slower older Mustangs, so maybe it's not them that are the idiots...
RX-8 = Smoked (especially on the highway)
Himitsu, I see what you're getting at but your analogy is silly. You drive a mazda, not a Ferrari not even a Lexus or an Acura, a Mazda. We're talking about a 10k price difference vs. a 580k price difference.
He is the carforum police! He makes sure we're all level-headed and unenthusiastic. :o
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03-07-2005, 10:22 PM
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Oooh lookie...
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/03/06....ap/index.html
Looks like this Impreza knockoff will be the Camaro of the 21st century, fast, cheap, young stupid drivers, poor safety. Lets see if it can break the Camaros record of having the highest death rate of any car sold
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The institute was most critical of the Neon, saying the car performed so poorly that the driver likely wouldn't have survived the crash.
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/03/06....ap/index.html
Looks like this Impreza knockoff will be the Camaro of the 21st century, fast, cheap, young stupid drivers, poor safety. Lets see if it can break the Camaros record of having the highest death rate of any car sold
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The institute was most critical of the Neon, saying the car performed so poorly that the driver likely wouldn't have survived the crash.
03-14-2005, 12:20 PM
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???
You know, it kinda sucks that all of you guys are just talking crap against the srt-4. I used to have one a had a 2003 model, and thing was fast as hell. Compared to the RX-8 i belive the neono will smoke a rx-8 The neons top speed is even faster than the rx-8's. The only defect on that neon is the rubbermaid interior, the outside of it looks innocent, but agressive. if i could i would defenitly go back and buy a srt-4 qgain. I thought the rx-8 would be a lot faster but its not.
03-14-2005, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Rudsther
You know, it kinda sucks that all of you guys are just talking crap against the srt-4. I used to have one a had a 2003 model, and thing was fast as hell. Compared to the RX-8 i belive the neono will smoke a rx-8 The neons top speed is even faster than the rx-8's. The only defect on that neon is the rubbermaid interior, the outside of it looks innocent, but agressive. if i could i would defenitly go back and buy a srt-4 qgain. I thought the rx-8 would be a lot faster but its not.
You are one of those guys who values a car based on it's straight-line acceleration I take it. You are trying to legitimize a car because it does one or two things well.
Top speed is faster? How do you know? Did you race an RX8 when you had your Neon, maxed out in top gear?
If you want your rx8 to feel fast, drive it on a nice curvy, sweeping road. You'll never be a good driver until you can be in situations where 50mph is hauling ***.
03-14-2005, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by allmotorRX8
well, its not really how fast you get from one place to another, its rather how much fun you have on the way there, thats what counts
There are too many people who simply cannot understand how a car with 'less' power could be MORE fun than a car with 'more' power. That concept is beyond them.
03-14-2005, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Rudsther
...the outside of it looks innocent, but agressive.
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03-14-2005, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by dmp
You are one of those guys who values a car based on it's straight-line acceleration I take it. You are trying to legitimize a car because it does one or two things well.
Top speed is faster? How do you know? Did you race an RX8 when you had your Neon, maxed out in top gear?
If you want your rx8 to feel fast, drive it on a nice curvy, sweeping road. You'll never be a good driver until you can be in situations where 50mph is hauling ***.
Top speed is faster? How do you know? Did you race an RX8 when you had your Neon, maxed out in top gear?
If you want your rx8 to feel fast, drive it on a nice curvy, sweeping road. You'll never be a good driver until you can be in situations where 50mph is hauling ***.
03-14-2005, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ThatREGuy
Exactly, and that piece of crap neon is front wheel drive, you can NEVER compare a FR with FF when it comes to handling (ok, some exeptions, but none off the top of my head). This reminds me of a time I made a acura integra crash, because he was on my *** and tried to follow my line. Racing in a straight line is for sissies anyway. It takes no skill and only 1/8 the *****, no 1/50. Try me at 45 degrees 60 miles an hour (if the exit is wide enough, intersection is a good example) try not to understeer with that FF piece of crap! Im gonna go post that Acura crash! Besides the RX-8 isn't for racing in a straight goddam line! none of the RX's are! An FB probably handles better than a stupid neon!!!
Never Say Never...Line up a stock RX8 vs a Mini Cooper S and you might be surprised.
03-14-2005, 02:05 PM
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BTW have you guys seen the new VIPER SRT-10 Coupe?
03-14-2005, 02:30 PM
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Never Say Never...Line up a stock RX8 vs a Mini Cooper S and you might be surprised.
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Originally Posted by khtm
I'm sure not going to lose sleep over it...especially when I fill up my car with 3 beeeeeautiful ladies