valpac

iTrader: (2)

It would be interesting to find out how many people who put down college actually have degrees. Hmmm....

valpac

iTrader: (2)

Try learning partial differential equations working at the car wash.:D

dmp

Nobody is arguing that - Some of us who have a firm grasp on reality are arguing "There are more places than 'college' to get an education." Why is that so hard for some ppl to understand? yikes!

dmp

That's not the point...re-read what I wrote in context. Because people seem obsessed with having a degree, or their potential employees having 'a degree', shady places, like some online degree factories, flourish. People read thru a resume and see 'degree in economic basket weaving, Blow U., Arkansas' and think "Wow! he's got a degree! I'll hire him as a basket weaving economist!"

SilverEIGHT

I posted a new thread in the "Polls" section. I think it is appropriate for this discussion with a little different approach.

https://www.rx8club.com/polls-70/furthering-education-important-49938/

Nick

I realize this was said in jest, but try getting through life only knowing partial differential equations :-/

(no, you can't learn how to get through life working at the car wash either - but you can learn it many places, college being one of them)

Outlaws eXtreme

Why is it so hard to understand that with a "credited" University education.. for instance Harvard, Princeton, a UC of some sort, that the person will most likely get hired much easier than a person without a degree? We are talking about high paying jobs such as a high level engineer, or a doctor, or a lawyer etc... Would YOU be comfortable hiring a doctor to perform surgery if they didn't have the education? I would love for you to trust a 'doctor' if they got their education through experiencing everyday life.

We are not arguing that you 'can't ' learn from NOT going to college.. we are saying that in able for someone to achieve for a higher paying job, you MUST get an education. (We're not talking about the lucky few that decided to forgo their college education to be a super multi millionaire athelete and the few who started their own business, etc...That's less than 1% of the population of the planet that had the Lucky chance of being in that percentage) In more general sense, you would need that degree to show validation.

In simpler terms... why do people have driver licenses to drive? Yes you CAN drive without one, no one doubts that. But why would you need one? To show that you went through all the necessary steps to drive. So the next time you get pulled over by the police, and don't present a driver license, to tell the cop... "Hey man, I don't have a license, but I've been driving for 30!!!! Years, that's a lot more experience than a snotty 16 year old with a license.. I don't need a license to tell me that." And see if the police will tell you that it's ok, that's all the validation he needs.

dmp

Where was anyone debating that point? Weird.

...but not necessarily a COLLEGE education... some people replied here with evidence to the contrary.

Rotary Nut

All a drivers licence is is a piece of paper (or plastic) that says you have gained enough experience to pass the test required to get that licence. There is no schooling or education required, just enought experience to pass the test. Unlike Germay for instance whereas the classes required to get a licence can cost over Euro 2000 or at that time about DM2000 or at the current rate $1000. You must present that sheepskin to the examiner before you can get the licence.

Nick

You are talking about licensed professions - a doctor cannot be a doctor without being licensed.

There is much more to the world than these few regulated professions.

GiN

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With this statement, I would like to confirm that having a college degree is an absolute requirement for jobs that require a college degree. Correct?
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khtm

Correct. And more and more jobs are requiring university degrees. Think how it used to be like 20 years ago and how it will be 20 years from now. In some places it's even tough to be a cop without a degree now.

Denzalo

As far as the 18/hr comments above, it's all about your living expenses, where you live, and your living habits. I only make 15/hr myself but I have had no debt, 350 rent for a 2bed house(gotta love Nebraska) and phone, internet, groceries, some subscriptions and that's it my monthly bills add up to just over 600/mo. Now I work a lot of hours at work as a CNC operator, nature of the business. (Funny how the original poster also works with CNC) I live comfortably like a middle class, only because I am single and I support only myself and keep bills to a minimum. To all of you who live in the big cities, yes my 15/hr is not as much, move my same job to those areas and yeah I'd make more too, due to higher costs of living.

College is still the answer, no doubt. And I will go back as soon as I feel the need to, money isn't everything to me. I save back 2k a month, I figure that's adequate for an RX-8, but not by much. I still feel that the 8 is a lil rich for a conservative person like me, but you only live once. When I ordered the 8, I only had 8k in bank, when it finally arrived, I had over 21k. So the loan is a lot smaller than I thought I would need.

trainoffools

"Only" $8k?! That is awesome and quite an accomplishment on $15 an/hour. 50% of Americans have no savings. I have friends who make from $50-75,000 a year and can't find cash to put into savings because they spend as much as they make. They drive BMWs (leased), have expensive homes/condos, the newest clothes, go to the best restaurants and just like that loan commerical, are "in debt up to my eyeballs".

You should be proud.

khtm

^ what he said, that is incredible that you can save that much $...way to go

I paid for school myself and am now in about 45K of debt from student loans, visa, line of credit. Getting the 8 was a STUPID decision on my part, but ya only live once

root

seriously, obviously he's saving all of his earnings, since daddy pay for everything else...

anyway, college-shmollege, i bet the street smarts are gonna kick a$$ on the new apprentice.

(btw, i make $50 / hr and i haven't even graduated yet, so I guess college is useful sometimes... at least for meeting peoples / making connections)

trainoffools

You guys are arguing apples to oranges.

There is no substitute for street-smarts/work experience and there is no substitute for college (if you drive to learn and not just blow through it).

If you have both, it is a devastating combination.

xdrian

Im really getting worried now, that i see so many ppl saying that you need college to get through life ! My parents together make about $70,000 a year. From that they have to pay a morgage, bills, bills, and more bills, and still manage to have a little money on the side. Im only 18 and im thinking of going to UTI to pursue a career as a mechanic. Maybe even start my own shop. But with what you guys are complaining about that $18 an hour is not a lot compared to your salary. I just cant imagine myself going through another 4 or 5 years of school. To me $18/hr would be like hitting the lottery. I make decent amount of money to pay my $400 dollar lease and insurance and to take my gf out and pay for my gas. I dont work too hard either, but i want to do something that i like doing and not regret going somewhere were id be miserable on a daily basis. Maybe ill buy a Seven Eleven and make some extra cash off of that.

PaulieWalnuts

$18 an hour isn't a whole lot these days (unless you work 80 hours a week ). The more you make the more you spend. It's all relative. If you can't figure out how to live okay on $18p/h you'll probably still struggle on 2 or 3 times that amount.

Outlaws eXtreme

Not to demean your hardworking parents.. because they are doing a great job I'm sure of it.... but 70k here in Socali isn't going to get you very far.. especially in the OC area. I make a bit higher than that, and my g/f is a Pharmacist... both combined, I'm still hesitant to simply go out and buy a M3 or luxury car.

We are not saying that $18 isn't great for a teenager to make... that is Very good. But to simply assume that's going to make it in the real world... well, that $18 isn't going to pay for a 600k+ home, 50k+ car, 40k+ living expenses...etc.

JeRKy 8 Owner

Guys you are forgetting that Troy (BMW Man/JeUpRx8) comes from a shitload of money. Justlook at how unpretentiously he talks - "I mistakenly got an M3 after I traded my automatic Rx8 andnow dad is selling the Z8 andtaking over the M3 soI can get another manual Rx8." His father obviously doesnt expect much from him if hes goingalong w/his sons impulsive decisions and allowing him drop out of school andlive off his company.

But lookingat it from another stand point: ($18 an hour + workingfor rich fathers business) x parents kick the bucket = Troys a millionaire.

Itsa beautiful thing

Outlaws eXtreme

I would love for you to use that 12.50 an hour, buy your OWN brand new M3, your own home, pay for all the bills.

If your parents paid for it great... but as you get older, are you going to be happy that you didn't go to college... making $18 an hour, living at your house, driving the M3 your parents bought you, and telling your g/f to come to your bedroom where you still live with your parents at age 28-30?

PaulieWalnuts

$600K in OC is a starter home these days isn't it? I used to live on Balboa Peninsula in Newport Beach and you're absolutely right.

Outlaws eXtreme

My degree + the experience is worth more than $50 an hour :P Trust me, you could make a hell of a lot more with a college degree.

I doubt anyone is going to argue with me in the fact that with a college degree, you will have limitless potential for a career... you "can" try for more and go for Law, or Doctor, be an aerospace Engineer, go do architecture, etc...

But without a degree.. you "can't" ever get the chance to do any of that. You can live under your parents rule, and have them always hand feed you all the money... that is great.

When I was 17 years old, my mother told me during a fight.. "How unappreciative you are, I bought you this, I bought you that...etc etc..." So I told her fine, I wouldn't want her to pay for any of that anymore... got my first job (nothing spectacular etc...) But at least I was earning the money myself. As life progressed, I wanted more in a lifestyle.. I don't want to "Dream" of owning a nice big house, I wanted to have the chance to go buy it on MY own. I didn't want to look at all the fancy cars other people drive and hoped I could be rich. I went after it... (And I still think my goal of owning a Ferrari before I hit 30 is possible). Only a college degree afforded me that chance.

Outlaws eXtreme

My roomate and I paid $2100 a month for a 2 bedroom apartment close to the UCI campus. Imagine what a house payment would look like if you lived in a 4 bedroom house in Irvine now.

One of my clients live in the same vicinity as Kobe, near the mega super homes in Newport... and that alone was 8+ million range. This guy has a MBA from USC, and started his own financial firm at age 25. Now he's 32 and owns all that... hmmm I would love to tell him how some people on this board thinks that they have a chance to rich his point in life without having to go to college.