lack of torque
02-21-2007 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by 9291150
Low torque or high RPM power?
Let me use the example of my bikes. One is a flat twin BMW touring bike that makes most of it's torque off idle, and revs to 7000rpm. The other is an inline four Honda sportbike that makes peak torque at 9000rpm, and revs to over 12000rpm. For track days or a fun blast around the countryside, give me high rpm shrieks and redline shifts of the sportbike. For mindless highway passing and touring, give me the shiftless power of the twin.
Point? Why did you buy a RX8 when you were obviously looking for a 300C?
Let me use the example of my bikes. One is a flat twin BMW touring bike that makes most of it's torque off idle, and revs to 7000rpm. The other is an inline four Honda sportbike that makes peak torque at 9000rpm, and revs to over 12000rpm. For track days or a fun blast around the countryside, give me high rpm shrieks and redline shifts of the sportbike. For mindless highway passing and touring, give me the shiftless power of the twin.
Point? Why did you buy a RX8 when you were obviously looking for a 300C?
02-21-2007 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Spin9k
Just slip out the back, Jack
Make a new plan, Stan
You don't need to be coy, Roy
Just listen to me.
Hop on the bus, Gus
You don't need to discuss much
Just drop off the key, Fenderlover
And get yourself free.
Make a new plan, Stan
You don't need to be coy, Roy
Just listen to me.
Hop on the bus, Gus
You don't need to discuss much
Just drop off the key, Fenderlover
And get yourself free.
02-21-2007 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Spin9k
My turboed 2.4L has more torque at 2000 rpm than the 8 has at 5000, but whatever, every car has it's strong points. The key is satisfaction is to exploit what you got, love the one your with. If you can't take the advice of a wordmaster:
Just slip out the back, Jack
Make a new plan, Stan
You don't need to be coy, Roy
Just listen to me.
Hop on the bus, Gus
You don't need to discuss much
Just drop off the key, Fenderlover
And get yourself free.
Just slip out the back, Jack
Make a new plan, Stan
You don't need to be coy, Roy
Just listen to me.
Hop on the bus, Gus
You don't need to discuss much
Just drop off the key, Fenderlover
And get yourself free.
02-21-2007 | 12:10 PM
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I'm sure all of us wouldn't turn our noses at an extra hundred or so foot/lbs...I do agree that FI is really expensive right now and, repost-repost-repost, there are only 2-3 different options available with everything else "in-the-works."
02-21-2007 | 08:28 PM
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I owned a 1970 Cadillac Eldorado once, it had a 500 cubic inch V8 with 400hp and 600 lbft of torque at 2000 rpm stock. The front wheels could roast for days and the gas mileage was about 6mpg. I like my 8 better, although the gas mileage is about the same...jk.....
02-21-2007 | 08:58 PM
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Horse Power is how fast you are going when you hit the (outside ) wall
TORQUE is how much of the wall you take with you
understeer is when the front of your car hits the wall
oversateer is when your rear bumper hits the wall
As kind and considerate rotary people, we do our best not to ruin people walls too much
TORQUE is how much of the wall you take with you
understeer is when the front of your car hits the wall
oversateer is when your rear bumper hits the wall
As kind and considerate rotary people, we do our best not to ruin people walls too much
02-21-2007 | 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by rglbegl
Horse Power is how fast you are going when you hit the (outside ) wall
TORQUE is how much of the wall you take with you
understeer is when the front of your car hits the wall
oversateer is when your rear bumper hits the wall
As kind and considerate rotary people, we do our best not to ruin people walls too much
TORQUE is how much of the wall you take with you
understeer is when the front of your car hits the wall
oversateer is when your rear bumper hits the wall
As kind and considerate rotary people, we do our best not to ruin people walls too much
02-21-2007 | 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by otherside
I owned a 1970 Cadillac Eldorado once, it had a 500 cubic inch V8 with 400hp and 600 lbft of torque at 2000 rpm stock. The front wheels could roast for days and the gas mileage was about 6mpg. I like my 8 better, although the gas mileage is about the same...jk.....
02-22-2007 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Ericok
Low torque is the result of having only 1.3L of engine displacement.
I've driven a Civic as a daily driver for the past 6 years now. The RX-8 is a giant tree stump pulling torque monster compared to it and I don't care.
02-22-2007 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Rootski
Toyota Priuses have lots of torque, why not one of those?
Toyota Prius
Trollified.....
02-22-2007 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by nycgps
Of course, your post reminds me of the time when Prius owners said that their car can beat an Enzo in the 0-6 Race (Yep you read it right, 0 to SIX MILES)
Toyota Prius
Toyota Prius
02-22-2007 | 12:49 PM
#46
Originally Posted by rotarygod
I hope you mean 0 to 6 miles per hour and not 0 to 6 miles because if the Prius can do that, I'll buy one right now!
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=104484
http://priuschat.com/index.php?showt...1&#entry269691
Last edited by nycgps; 02-22-2007 at 12:55 PM.
02-22-2007 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by nycgps
I read that prius chat.
Some of those ppl are more fanboi-ish than WE are...
02-23-2007 | 12:33 PM
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For evidence of what I said above about usable wheel torque and traction: Is this officially the first factory-produced dyno-queen?
https://www.rx8club.com/general-automotive-49/car-too-powerfull-top-gear-110233/
https://www.rx8club.com/general-automotive-49/car-too-powerfull-top-gear-110233/
02-23-2007 | 12:55 PM
#50
From one of the post in
http://priuschat.com/index.php?showt...1&#entry269691
Man we should all to Prius
http://priuschat.com/index.php?showt...1&#entry269691
Great post, donee.
Welcome to all non-hybrid poster for registering to participate in this discussion. Before you all react in disbelieve, please study how HSD really works and many benifits it offers (other than excellent fuel economy).
The bottom line I see with this issue is, traditional car owners not realizing what a handicap tradition cars are in many situations. To let you know where I am coming from, check out 30-50 mph acceleration (top gear) for Prius and BMW 530i at Car and Driver Magazine. In that test, Prius is more than twice faster than 530i inline-6 225hp. That is just one example how Prius can beat more powerful traditional cars. Even if acceleration is with the downshift (not top gear), Prius still beats the Camry 2.4l by one full second. I also found another link for Mustang GT 30-50 acceleration (top gear) test and it clearly shows it is slower than Prius. Prius can really catch regular cars off guard in many situations, especially for inexperienced manual labor transmission drivers.
The keyword is power delivery. I'll take the car that delivers 90% of it's power 90% of the time over 70% of it's power 50% of the time. This is one of the reason HSD Prius is so fun to drive. Not only it's powertrain is responsive, it also gives the driver power consistantly when it is asked. You'll see many reports of Prius drivers becoming calmer because of this. I guess different preferences for different people but you guy ought to know that a different choice is now availble with the introduction of Hybrid Synergy Drive. We don't group you as organ donors so don't group us as slow drivers.
Dennis
Welcome to all non-hybrid poster for registering to participate in this discussion. Before you all react in disbelieve, please study how HSD really works and many benifits it offers (other than excellent fuel economy).
The bottom line I see with this issue is, traditional car owners not realizing what a handicap tradition cars are in many situations. To let you know where I am coming from, check out 30-50 mph acceleration (top gear) for Prius and BMW 530i at Car and Driver Magazine. In that test, Prius is more than twice faster than 530i inline-6 225hp. That is just one example how Prius can beat more powerful traditional cars. Even if acceleration is with the downshift (not top gear), Prius still beats the Camry 2.4l by one full second. I also found another link for Mustang GT 30-50 acceleration (top gear) test and it clearly shows it is slower than Prius. Prius can really catch regular cars off guard in many situations, especially for inexperienced manual labor transmission drivers.
The keyword is power delivery. I'll take the car that delivers 90% of it's power 90% of the time over 70% of it's power 50% of the time. This is one of the reason HSD Prius is so fun to drive. Not only it's powertrain is responsive, it also gives the driver power consistantly when it is asked. You'll see many reports of Prius drivers becoming calmer because of this. I guess different preferences for different people but you guy ought to know that a different choice is now availble with the introduction of Hybrid Synergy Drive. We don't group you as organ donors so don't group us as slow drivers.
Dennis
Man we should all
to Prius
Last edited by nycgps; 02-23-2007 at 12:59 PM.