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03-23-2005, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by EatInTheAte
It's not a user error if engine floods because of a freakish guideline, the car is brought into Mazda, and the problem isn't rectified after 3 attempts..
03-23-2005, 01:39 PM
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Sorry you are having trouble with your RX-8. I have had no trouble so, however there can be bad cars manufactured no matter what manufacturer it is.
EatInTheAte
You might want to look at the PA Lemon Law.
From http://www.lemonlaw.com/pastatute.html:
Title 73 Chapter 28, Sections 1951-1963
Flooding 2 times, as unfortunate and frustrating as it may be, does not look like it is going to get you a new car...
On a side note you might want to also look at this site: http://www.lemonlaw.com/lemonlist.html the Honda S2000 is 23rd on The 2004 Lemon List where as Mazda does not show on the list at all...
Anyways, once again I am sorry for you troubles, hope you get it all worked out.
EatInTheAte
My engine flooded twice in the past 2 months.. causing me to miss two days of work and a college class. I am seeking a full refund, and nothing less. When the engine floods once more, the wheels are in motion.
From http://www.lemonlaw.com/pastatute.html:
Title 73 Chapter 28, Sections 1951-1963
1956. Presumption of a reasonable number of attempts. It shall be presumed that a reasonable number of attempts have been undertaken to repair or correct a nonconformity if: 1.the same nonconformity has been subject to repair three times by the manufacturer, its agents or authorized dealers and the nonconformity still exists; or 2.the vehicle is out-of-service by reason of any nonconformity for a cumulative total of 30 or more calendar days.
On a side note you might want to also look at this site: http://www.lemonlaw.com/lemonlist.html the Honda S2000 is 23rd on The 2004 Lemon List where as Mazda does not show on the list at all...
Anyways, once again I am sorry for you troubles, hope you get it all worked out.
03-23-2005, 01:53 PM
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Besides a few minor stuff that any car could have i have had no problems. I never flooded and I just turn car on and off after 10 sec cold down and warm up.
Two things could be going on here.
1. you recieved a lemon.
2. user error.
3. If you do have a lemon can you make me some lemonade cause all this reading is making me thirsty. :D
I would like to say that 1 lemon out of 100,000 is a pretty good ratio. that does not make the rx8 a piece of sh*t.
Good luck with everything.
Two things could be going on here.
1. you recieved a lemon.
2. user error.
3. If you do have a lemon can you make me some lemonade cause all this reading is making me thirsty. :D
I would like to say that 1 lemon out of 100,000 is a pretty good ratio. that does not make the rx8 a piece of sh*t.
Good luck with everything.
03-23-2005, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by EatInTheAte
Hi. I was wondering if I am the only person on the site that filed with lemonlaw.com on the atrocious reliability on the RX-8. My engine flooded twice in the past 2 months.. causing me to miss two days of work and a college class. I am seeking a full refund, and nothing less. When the engine floods once more, the wheels are in motion. Honestly, Mazda has no shame releasing this car onto the market. It should be illegal for a Mazda dealership to sell this car without telling the consumer all of the technical difficulties that come with the 8, and all of the inconveniences he/she will expect if purchased. A good analogy to purchasing an RX8 would be.. marrying a beautiful blonde with an IQ of 43. All body, no brains. Nothing on the inside worth mentioning. You think with how unreliable an RX8 is.. it would come with 642 horsepower. On the contrary, it comes with 180 at the wheels.(if you are lucky) I am utterly disgusted.
Mazda's answer: Make sure you leave the engine running for 15-20 min everytime you turn the ignition.
My answer: That could be the most rediculous response to justify a lemon. The car is a pos, give me my refund.
PS: Thanks for the brand new s2000
Mazda's answer: Make sure you leave the engine running for 15-20 min everytime you turn the ignition.
My answer: That could be the most rediculous response to justify a lemon. The car is a pos, give me my refund.
PS: Thanks for the brand new s2000
2) Flooding is not a lemon problem as stated before. It's just the way the engine is. Lemon Law protects you against a defective car. Most RX-8s will flood if turned off cold.
3) If you weren't told about the flooding issues and oil consumption then your dealer sucks. My dealer told me about both. "Don't shut off the engine cold" and "Make sure you check your oil every few fill ups. This car burns oil fast." Not only that, this information is in the manual.
4) The Lemon Law site completely contradicts your point of view. The RX-8 is on the best of list. The car you want to buy is on the Lemon list. :O
5) This car is obviously not for you. It IS a car that requires more user care than most other cars. If you're not prepared to take the proper steps, then you should've never gotten this car. Apparently your dealer neglected to mention these things.
6) Either you DO have a lemon, your dealer sucks ***, or you're just not too bright.
Let your car warm up before you shut it down or follow the shut down procedures in the manual. (I think it says to rev to a certain rpm and shut down). You should've been told this after the first time your engine flooded.7) If your engine does flood, there's instructions on how you can try to correct the problem yourself.
8) I can totally understand why you're pissed, but you're being awfully aggressive for something that's most likely your own fault. That's why people aren't being very sympathetic.
03-23-2005, 02:05 PM
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first... you should have researched the car before you bought it...
second... its a performance sports car and you should know better to shut it down cold, correction... you shouldnt shut down ANY car cold. just not good for the engine
If you got a lemon, I'm sorry but you should have done your research and asked your salesman about this issue. and plus dont wry its under warranty...
second... its a performance sports car and you should know better to shut it down cold, correction... you shouldnt shut down ANY car cold. just not good for the engine
If you got a lemon, I'm sorry but you should have done your research and asked your salesman about this issue. and plus dont wry its under warranty...
03-23-2005, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by StewC625
It's clearly a PEBSWAS issue.
What's a PEBSWAS issue you ask?
Problem
Exists
Between
Steering
Wheel
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Seat
What's a PEBSWAS issue you ask?
Problem
Exists
Between
Steering
Wheel
And
Seat
03-23-2005, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by StewC625
It's clearly a PEBSWAS issue.
What's a PEBSWAS issue you ask?
Problem
Exists
Between
Steering
Wheel
And
Seat
What's a PEBSWAS issue you ask?
Problem
Exists
Between
Steering
Wheel
And
Seat
He'll probably claim that PEBSWAS isn't in the manual and use that for his Lemon Law suit also.
03-23-2005, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by StewC625
Maybe his HID fluid levels are low
03-23-2005, 02:52 PM
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It looks like EatIn has left the building.
I would like to address fellow members. Please try to avoid pile-ons when someone joins the forum just to bitch and announce their departure. Anyone that buys any car (let alone a specialty vehicle) without coming to the appropriate web forum first really has no right to **** in the well on their way out.
Mods, why don't you shut this one down?
I would like to address fellow members. Please try to avoid pile-ons when someone joins the forum just to bitch and announce their departure. Anyone that buys any car (let alone a specialty vehicle) without coming to the appropriate web forum first really has no right to **** in the well on their way out.
Mods, why don't you shut this one down?
03-23-2005, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by EatInTheAte
Nothing is said abt the engine flooding if shut off before 15 minutes of warming up. Have fun towing your rx8 in 20 times in the next 5 years.
03-23-2005, 04:27 PM
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The truth is that flooding was a known problem with the vehicle. Granted, it's boorish to sign up just to "pee in the well", but in case he comes back at least we should mention
- upgraded flash versions which markedly reduced incidence of flooding
- stronger battery available (weak stock batteries have contributed to flooding)
Between these 2 items I think the flooding tendency is reduced to tolerable levels.
- upgraded flash versions which markedly reduced incidence of flooding
- stronger battery available (weak stock batteries have contributed to flooding)
Between these 2 items I think the flooding tendency is reduced to tolerable levels.
03-23-2005, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Nubo
The truth is that flooding was a known problem with the vehicle. Granted, it's boorish to sign up just to "pee in the well", but in case he comes back at least we should mention
- upgraded flash versions which markedly reduced incidence of flooding
- stronger battery available (weak stock batteries have contributed to flooding)
Between these 2 items I think the flooding tendency is reduced to tolerable levels.
- upgraded flash versions which markedly reduced incidence of flooding
- stronger battery available (weak stock batteries have contributed to flooding)
Between these 2 items I think the flooding tendency is reduced to tolerable levels.
03-23-2005, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by guy321
It's more like you wanted to marry a beautiful woman who would stand faithfully at your side, never complain, not spend alot of money (gas mileage), and not embarass you ever.. but instead you married a beautiful woman who farted, good luck on your search they all (sportscars) fart(have issues) and you will (can) never be satisfied.
HAHAHAHA :D
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