CTrx8

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don't let them know that or they know how much this one will mean to you and certainly won't flex on price. you can always do aftermarket portable navigation so don't let that make you get into a deal that isn't a good deal. just think, if you get aftermarket, you can use it in another car. let them think (if you haven't already shown your cards) that the navi is fine but it really doesn't matter to you b/c you had planned on doing aftermarket anyway.

Insignia

The calculation is based on what it could cost me to import a US RX8 into Canada. Pricing in Canada usually includes this and thus we pay more for vehicles. In some cases 10s of thousands more, especially in regards to lux vehicles.

CTrx8

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ahh....i did not realize this. we learn something new every day.

Insignia

Yeah the Canadian auto market right now is so skewed in its pricing ever since our dollar increased in value compared to US currency. There are many Canadian going through the efforts to import both used and new vehicles into Canada due to the huge savings in some cases.

EDIT - I just cant get over how much fun the RX8 was to drive! That Rotary made quite the unique sound as it got revved up! So intoxicating lol.

Insignia

The salesman called me this morning asking when I was going to drive away in my new car. I told him I would be driving away in another RX8 this evening since I found one with the same options for a better deal and less mileage (following your advice) and he said "Wait wait wait! Give us the chance to earn your business. Let me go talk to my manager and get back to you"

Now awaiting his call. Lets see what he can offer! I'll keep updating this as I get info.

Insignia

So his counter offer was this. My original deal had the following:

RX-8: $24900
Warranty: $1800
Winter Tires and Rims $2100

I told him i found an RX8 locally for $22500 with rims and tires and still under warranty. He said he would talk to his manager and they came with the following offer.

RX-8: $24900
Warranty: $1800
Winter Tires and Rims $1100

Basically they dropped $1000 off the wheels and tires. Not much of a deal at all.

boffam

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Depends on specs of the rims and tires...$2100 is a rim job pardon the pun but $1100 is a good deal if the rims are alloy and the tires are top-drawer.

Too bad the other RX-8 is a bluff! I guess you have to try and disguise that fact now.


IMO that is not that bad a deal...the asking price in December on my 2004 without nav and roof (but only 26500 km) was $23,988...

Insignia

Yeah they are 17 inch Alloys with wicked winter tires.

boffam

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What brand/model are the rims and tires??

Insignia

Honestly I am unsure of the rim brand. it is a brand that the local Mazda dealer uses. They are 17 inch dual 5 spoke design and the tires are Bridgestone Blizzak WS-50. This picture is the EXACT look of the rims and tires:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/BigPic...=Blizzak+WS-50

boffam

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Sport Edition. Not exactly BBS but fine for winter duty. The WS-50 are a good tire, especially if you have a lot of snow where you are. My dealer wanted $1500 for steel rims but Bridgestone LM-22 which are more performance-oriented than the WS-50 and quite a bit pricier in this size. I eventually got el cheapo alloys and Hankook Ice Bear W300 tires (similar in price to the WS-50's) for $1500 including tax and shipping from Tiretrends.com.


You might be able to squeeze another $500 out of them (on the price of the car), but you also have to ask how much it affects your payments (my guess is $5-10 a month). To them, the $500 is a big chunk of their profit. If you really really want this particular car and are set on nav (no nav are a dime a dozen)...I say accept their counter-offer.

Insignia

You're right another $500 would not be a big difference in payments. At least not enough to make me turn the deal down.

We do get a lot of snow here. For example we just had 30cm dumped over two days and it was nuts driving around even in an SUV.

I'm not looking for crazy flashy rims for winter lol. I will save the big bucks for the summer rims! I will see what I can do. I appreciate all the input thus far!

Rhawb

I'd tell him that it's still a bit high compared to the others on the market. Ask him if he'd be willing to throw in the warranty and wheels/tires since the price is so steep.

Insignia

Yup thats my next request. Going to wait until he calls me this time.

Rhawb

Might even want to mention that you looked up some other cars online and it seems out of line. If he tells you that they're cheap because they're private party sales, tell him that buying from a dealership shouldn't command a $2500-3000 premium.

boffam

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A quick check of autotrader.ca in Ontario... about 1/3 of the cars advertised are below $24,900, and none of those have navigation, though most have fewer km's than 60,000. Of course these are all asking prices.




Nice to see RX-8's up to 120,000 km!!! That's 40,000 per year...at 15L/100km and $1/L those dudes have paid $6000 per year in gas!!!

Insignia

So salesman called me just now and asked me whether I was going to come in and sign and I directed him towards the Autotrader site to see how other 04 RX-8s are priced with lower mileage etc. He then countered and said that their vehicle had the Nav. I then countered with explaining that an OEM Nav doesn't account for a $3-5K increase in price on a vehicle with more KMs than the ones listed online. He didnt have anything to say.

I told him that he had until 4:30 today to get back to me with a deal that was resonable to both of us.

Lets see what happens lol.

Insignia

Well that was a fast response and I guess it's a good thing I didnt do business with them. He told me that if i wanted to be a cheap bastard I should be cheap bastard and another dealership and stop wasting his ****ing time. This is not from the salesman but rather the used car manager.

boffam

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I guess now you know their bottom line price...

Insignia

Ha ha yeah I guess!

CTrx8

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this one just wasn't meant to be. just be glad you got out when you did. think about how they would treat you after they had you sign on the dotted line and/or if you had to go in for any warranty work.

Insignia

Yup I agree. Ah well the hunt continues.

Rhawb

You'll find one soon, I'm sure. In the mean time, check out this article. It's a great read and it'll teach you LOTS of things about the process from the salesman's standpoint.

Insignia

Found another Black RX8 with Nav locally and am going to test drive it this evening. Has slightly lower KMs and it about a grand cheaper. Hopefully I can join the 8 crew soon!

Rhawb

See, you found an even better one! (well, on paper)

I wish I could find a site that would appraise used cars for the canadian market. The way that last dealer pretty much kicked you out makes me wonder if used 8s really do go for that much more over there. Usually a dealer is so hungry for business that they'll at least try and meet you halfway. Shooing away a potential customer usually means that some aspect of the negotiation is WAY out of whack.