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10-01-2004, 10:20 AM
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Let me make sure I've got this straight. Someone bought the car they loved. They are thrilled with it. They happen to go onto the internet and look at some posts, which may or may not be true. All of a sudde, there's buyers remorse.
I can't drive numbers on paper. I drive an RX8.
When Mazda made me the "buyback offer" or $500 and free maintenance. I remember telling my (then) 16 year old son that I might take the buyback offer. Now remember, this is a testosterone fueled teen, but he said..."how much faster do you really want to go?....this thing is way fast the way it is".
Couldn't argue his point.
I will say that I'm glad I kept mine. The typical cross shopping was done (G35c/350Z). After hearing and seeing those owners complain about some things that are the RX8's strong suit like ride, handling, build quality, "the little things" and I've got a 9K RPM RENESIS in the deal, I've never felt cheated. Oh yeah, this car is still seriously fast, regardless of what any numbers on paper say.
As a reference point, to get anything significantly faster (not just a few 10ths), you'd have to go to the Mustang Cobra or move up to a Corvette (both of which will spank a 350Z/G35c/RX8).
I've been a 1 year+ RX8 owner that's happier with the car today as I was when I drove it off the dealers lot. I've never flooded it. I think the A/C does just fine (but the dealer replaced the A/C ammplifier anyway). I've been extremely pleased with the "M" reflash. Also the oil pan oil level sensor fix was done and the EVAP unit replaced due to the CEL.
Still.....love it, love it, love it!!!!!!!!!
I can't drive numbers on paper. I drive an RX8.
When Mazda made me the "buyback offer" or $500 and free maintenance. I remember telling my (then) 16 year old son that I might take the buyback offer. Now remember, this is a testosterone fueled teen, but he said..."how much faster do you really want to go?....this thing is way fast the way it is".
Couldn't argue his point.
I will say that I'm glad I kept mine. The typical cross shopping was done (G35c/350Z). After hearing and seeing those owners complain about some things that are the RX8's strong suit like ride, handling, build quality, "the little things" and I've got a 9K RPM RENESIS in the deal, I've never felt cheated. Oh yeah, this car is still seriously fast, regardless of what any numbers on paper say.
As a reference point, to get anything significantly faster (not just a few 10ths), you'd have to go to the Mustang Cobra or move up to a Corvette (both of which will spank a 350Z/G35c/RX8).
I've been a 1 year+ RX8 owner that's happier with the car today as I was when I drove it off the dealers lot. I've never flooded it. I think the A/C does just fine (but the dealer replaced the A/C ammplifier anyway). I've been extremely pleased with the "M" reflash. Also the oil pan oil level sensor fix was done and the EVAP unit replaced due to the CEL.
Still.....love it, love it, love it!!!!!!!!!
10-01-2004, 10:48 AM
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Hi Silver 1.3,
Do some browsing at http://www.fast-autos.net/ and I think you'll see that the RX8 holds it own quite well among comparable vehicles. I didn't do an exhaustive seach, but I took a look at the numbers on a few very sporty vehicles and came away smiling. If you're worried about horsepower, try comparing vehicles with similar horsepower and weight to the 8 and I don't think you'll be disappointed.
Numbers aside, my 6-speed manual 8 goes like a striped a** ape, and that's good enough for me!
1.3L
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Do some browsing at http://www.fast-autos.net/ and I think you'll see that the RX8 holds it own quite well among comparable vehicles. I didn't do an exhaustive seach, but I took a look at the numbers on a few very sporty vehicles and came away smiling. If you're worried about horsepower, try comparing vehicles with similar horsepower and weight to the 8 and I don't think you'll be disappointed.
Numbers aside, my 6-speed manual 8 goes like a striped a** ape, and that's good enough for me!
1.3L
:D
10-01-2004, 11:03 AM
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OK, MOST of you are missing my point and my FOLLOW UP POINTS that clearly state I LOVE the car.
THAT has NOT changed. I don't understand why most of you don't seem to understand what I am saying. I don't care if it doesn't actually have the power -
THE POINT IS: Im disappointed that its doesn't have the power they said it does BECAUSE it would be even better of a car IF it did. Everything YOU love about YOUR car would be BETTER - If you cant understand how you didn't get what you paid for - and you'll love it no matter what - well, I cant help you there. Nothing wrong with that either.
My concerns have nothing to do with not liking the car. I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!! Im "bummed" because I KNOW the car could be better with the advertised HP.
As for afeldman327 - your comment is rude and unwarranted. I bought the car for the handling and power - the total package - I never claimed ANYTHING about how horsepower is and indicator of anything. Take time to actally read what I am saying.
BAM-BAM - you hit the nail on head.
Now I'll show love to all hear :p I repeat, I have no regrets about buying the car - I do have regrets about MAZDA and what they say they sold me.
By the way, I have always bought my cars based on driving experience, NOT what enternet boards say, and peoples OPINIONS of a car. But less advertised HP is NOT an opinion.
THAT has NOT changed. I don't understand why most of you don't seem to understand what I am saying. I don't care if it doesn't actually have the power -
THE POINT IS: Im disappointed that its doesn't have the power they said it does BECAUSE it would be even better of a car IF it did. Everything YOU love about YOUR car would be BETTER - If you cant understand how you didn't get what you paid for - and you'll love it no matter what - well, I cant help you there. Nothing wrong with that either.
My concerns have nothing to do with not liking the car. I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!! Im "bummed" because I KNOW the car could be better with the advertised HP.
As for afeldman327 - your comment is rude and unwarranted. I bought the car for the handling and power - the total package - I never claimed ANYTHING about how horsepower is and indicator of anything. Take time to actally read what I am saying.
BAM-BAM - you hit the nail on head.
Now I'll show love to all hear :p I repeat, I have no regrets about buying the car - I do have regrets about MAZDA and what they say they sold me.
By the way, I have always bought my cars based on driving experience, NOT what enternet boards say, and peoples OPINIONS of a car. But less advertised HP is NOT an opinion.
10-01-2004, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by 1.3L
Hi Silver 1.3,
Do some browsing at http://www.fast-autos.net/ and I think you'll see that the RX8 holds it own quite well among comparable vehicles. I didn't do an exhaustive seach, but I took a look at the numbers on a few very sporty vehicles and came away smiling. If you're worried about horsepower, try comparing vehicles with similar horsepower and weight to the 8 and I don't think you'll be disappointed.
Numbers aside, my 6-speed manual 8 goes like a striped a** ape, and that's good enough for me!
1.3L
:D
Do some browsing at http://www.fast-autos.net/ and I think you'll see that the RX8 holds it own quite well among comparable vehicles. I didn't do an exhaustive seach, but I took a look at the numbers on a few very sporty vehicles and came away smiling. If you're worried about horsepower, try comparing vehicles with similar horsepower and weight to the 8 and I don't think you'll be disappointed.
Numbers aside, my 6-speed manual 8 goes like a striped a** ape, and that's good enough for me!
1.3L
:D
10-01-2004, 11:08 AM
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Hey ... 1.3L ... that reminds me of a "stupid things people say ..." (remember THAT thread?):
"So, how big is the engine (this AFTER you've explained it has no pistcons)?"
"1.3 Liters"
"1.3 Liters? Aw come on, that's bullshit. That size engine can't make that much power."
"It does ... "
"So, how big is the engine (this AFTER you've explained it has no pistcons)?"
"1.3 Liters"
"1.3 Liters? Aw come on, that's bullshit. That size engine can't make that much power."
"It does ... "
10-01-2004, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by silver1.3
OK, MOST of you are missing my point and my FOLLOW UP POINTS that clearly state I LOVE the car.
THAT has NOT changed. I don't understand why most of you don't seem to understand what I am saying. I don't care if it doesn't actually have the power
THAT has NOT changed. I don't understand why most of you don't seem to understand what I am saying. I don't care if it doesn't actually have the power
"I'm not sure how I feel about the car."
"Im pretty perturbed. I don't want an after market fix to something I paid for already!!"
"I don't know if I would have bought it if I would have know about this problem!"
No offense, but you sound like the type of person who buys something because of what you think it means to other people, rather than buying something for yourself because YOU like it.
"Im pretty perturbed.
I don't want an after market fix to something I paid for already!!" "I don't know if I would have bought it if I would have know about this problem!"
10-01-2004, 11:22 AM
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Everyone is missing the point. He is not saying that he does not like the car. He is saying that when he bought the car he was told that the horsepower was 238 at the flywheel but it is not. This is false advertiseing anyway you look at it. If you married the supermodel of your dreams and found out later that she has had a gender reassignment operation you would probably be upset. He is not attacking the car he is upset by the principle. That being said I have had my car for 9500 miles and I could not be happier with my rather impulsive decision to buy it.
10-01-2004, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by JasonHamilton
That isn't what you said in your original post:
"I'm not sure how I feel about the car."
"Im pretty perturbed. I don't want an after market fix to something I paid for already!!"
"I don't know if I would have bought it if I would have know about this problem!"
No offense, but you sound like the type of person who buys something because of what you think it means to other people, rather than buying something for yourself because YOU like it."Im pretty perturbed.
I don't want an after market fix to something I paid for already!!" "I don't know if I would have bought it if I would have know about this problem!"
No offense taken, but I could care less what other people think of my purchases, its has nothing to do with other people at all. It has to do with false advertising when you boil it down.
Most people seem to be blinded by their love of their car. Thats not a bad thing, but one should be able to look at a situation objectively and subjectively without being bashed. Maybe my first comment wasn't dead on to my feelings, but read my followups they surely show a better intent of what I mean.
10-01-2004, 11:30 AM
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OK...now I'm really confused. You say you're disappointed and majorly bummed with the car, but you really love it. Don't know about you, but if I'm majorly bummed and/or disappointed with anything, I doubt I'd say I loved it.
Let me ask you this....if you hadn't read any of the stuff about HP, would you still be bummed or disappointed? Would you even know about it?
When I was talking to my insurance agent about my car's desription here's the way the conversation went....
Me: Hey, I need to add a Mazda RX8 to my policy
Insurance Agent (IA): OK, let me get some info about the car...is it a 2-door or 4-door?
Me: It's a 4-door
IA: Does it have a 4 cyl, 6 cyl or 8 cyl engine?
Me: None of those, it's a rotary
IA: Oh, so it's one of those hybrid cars?
Me: No, it has 2 rotors
IA: Oh, so it has 2 cyl...I didn't know they made any of those in a car...
Me: No, it has 2 ROTORS THAT SPIN FOR POWER
IA: Don't know what you mean...I'll have to look it up
Me: You do that
IA: Well, maybe you can tell me the engine size and that will help..
Me: It's 1.3L
IA: That's small, it must by a 2cyl...by the way, my database says it's a 2-door coupe...you said you have 4 doors
Me: Nevermind......
Let me ask you this....if you hadn't read any of the stuff about HP, would you still be bummed or disappointed? Would you even know about it?
When I was talking to my insurance agent about my car's desription here's the way the conversation went....
Me: Hey, I need to add a Mazda RX8 to my policy
Insurance Agent (IA): OK, let me get some info about the car...is it a 2-door or 4-door?
Me: It's a 4-door
IA: Does it have a 4 cyl, 6 cyl or 8 cyl engine?
Me: None of those, it's a rotary
IA: Oh, so it's one of those hybrid cars?
Me: No, it has 2 rotors
IA: Oh, so it has 2 cyl...I didn't know they made any of those in a car...
Me: No, it has 2 ROTORS THAT SPIN FOR POWER
IA: Don't know what you mean...I'll have to look it up
Me: You do that
IA: Well, maybe you can tell me the engine size and that will help..
Me: It's 1.3L
IA: That's small, it must by a 2cyl...by the way, my database says it's a 2-door coupe...you said you have 4 doors
Me: Nevermind......
10-01-2004, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by silver1.3
]No offense taken, but I could care less what other people think of my purchases, its has nothing to do with other people at all. It has to do with false advertising when you boil it down.
The problem is twofold:
1) This topic has been discussed to death on the forum. So people tend to be less than sympathetic.
2) Many, including myself, have done research on the car before buying, and knew beforehand that the car didn't dyno at the wheels with 230 hp. An uninformed buyer is... well, not something you want to be when dropping $30,000 on a product.
10-01-2004, 11:37 AM
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[QUOTE=graphicguy]OK...now I'm really confused. You say you're disappointed and majorly bummed with the car, but you really love it. Don't know about you, but if I'm majorly bummed and/or disappointed with anything, I doubt I'd say I loved it.
Let me ask you this....if you hadn't read any of the stuff about HP, would you still be bummed or disappointed? Would you even know about it?
not quite, I wasn't meaning i was bummed about the car itself, but bummed about the fact that it didn't have what it said it should have. I still love the car, but Mazda didn't give me what i purchased. Im bummed I spent 30k on a car and did get what i thought i bought.
To answer you're question - I would LOVE the car, as I LOVE the car now. But you can't put the gennie back in the bottle. I know now- does it mean I like my car less - NO WAY. Am I bummed I didn't get what I paid for - yes, I am. Doesn't mean I cant love the car. Life isn't perfect. I just like getting what I paid for. I didn't know that was a crime.
Let me ask you this....if you hadn't read any of the stuff about HP, would you still be bummed or disappointed? Would you even know about it?
not quite, I wasn't meaning i was bummed about the car itself, but bummed about the fact that it didn't have what it said it should have. I still love the car, but Mazda didn't give me what i purchased. Im bummed I spent 30k on a car and did get what i thought i bought.
To answer you're question - I would LOVE the car, as I LOVE the car now. But you can't put the gennie back in the bottle. I know now- does it mean I like my car less - NO WAY. Am I bummed I didn't get what I paid for - yes, I am. Doesn't mean I cant love the car. Life isn't perfect. I just like getting what I paid for. I didn't know that was a crime.
10-01-2004, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by joyridevr6
Everyone is missing the point. He is not saying that he does not like the car. He is saying that when he bought the car he was told that the horsepower was 238 at the flywheel but it is not. .......
I'm not interested in the links where RWHP measurements were made, then used to calculate the effective flywheel HP unless Mazda does it that way too.
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10-01-2004, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by graphicguy
You say you're disappointed and majorly bummed with the car, but you really love it.
And you can bet that everyone who said they didnt care it didnt fly...would parade through the dealerships to get the "flight recall" that we who did care fought so hard for.. 
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10-01-2004, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by BAM-BAM
Just what was on the contract he signed. I don't think it's a numbers game for him at all. They said he has 8 airbags...but if he was in an accident and none of them went off because they weren't actually there...he'd be a bit on the pissed side eh? It also states ABS braking system...but if in actuality, it didn't, there would be hell to pay ya know. So it's more of a "Don't tell me its there if its not" kinda thing. People look for 4 major factors in vehicle purchase...Safety, MPG, HP, and styling. And they sum these up using the price tag. Some lean more toward MPG or safety for the little ones..and some, like silver and I lean a bit toward judging the price-tag to the HP and weight ratio, but still expect all amenities on the sticker. We want performance, and if 240 ponys worth or perfromance is on our contract, then we expect it. Just like you expect the car to start every time, and the wheels to stay on & so on. We just want the total package promised, and believe it or not..it's against the law to give us less. To not give us the safety featues, the HP, or amenities promised in the contract, its illegal...even if we still "love" the car, they have guaranteed him something that very well may not exist. If every consumer just took what they were given, despite what was promised and what the price was, a loaf of bread would be advertised to net us an extra 40 I.Q.s, make or dicks 6 inches longer and would cost 650 bucks. But we are smart shoppers, and follow through on our purchases and the guarantees that were made to us therein. I love everything about this car...but to think I could enjoy it more, because it isn't actually what was promised to me is disheartening. And "silver" seems to feel the same way.
But the main issue here is Silver1.3 said "I drove it for the weekend and loved it so I bought it"
He/she did NOT do any research on the car, and wound up loving it! great!
Then comes here to discover the RX-8 doesn't dyno what would NORMALLY be expected at the rear wheels for 238 engine hp and is bummed. Why be bummed? Your butt apparently couldn't tell the difference during the test drive.
Have you owned or do you own any other cars, and have you had them dynoed?
How can you (or anyone) be sure any car has the 'correct' or 'advertised' hp?
Has anyone here tested all the other published specs (beside HP) on the RX-8 or any other car?
10-01-2004, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 6speed8
As far as I know HP (and the ratings of) are NOT guaranteed - If you read the fine print on all the documentation for most products (including the RX-8) there is a simple but effective line: 'Specifications subject to change without notice'.
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