RodsterinFL

Hmm. this drive it till Oct and then turn it in and buy another sounds interesteing but I have already added tinting and other things and besides, that is not very good on my part - to do I mean.

donald121

In this case, there should be no discount on rx8 until beginning of next year. So, anyone knows what does the free scheduled maintenance include? I know it included changing filters, oil change, but what about changing time belt, break pad, etc?

RX8-TX

Oh BOY, where have you been all this time??..timing belt on a rotary?? j/k :p

I think brake pads would fit under the normal use wear stuff, which is not covered by the warranty in any case.....

graphicguy

What needs to be done for the first 60K miles

--oil change every 3K miles
--air filter cleaned every 15K miles, replaced at 35K miles
--drive belt inspected at 30K miles
--spark plugs replaced at 35K miles
--fuel filter inspected every 30K miles
--inspect cooling system every 30K miles, replace coolant at 60K miles
--replace brake fluid every 30K miles
--replace manual trans oil every 30K miles
--replace rear differential oil every 30K miles
--lube all locks and hinges every 5K miles
--inspect brake lines, hoses and connections, disk brakes
steering operation and linkage, front and rear suspension and ball joints, drive shaft dust boots, bolts and nuts on seats,exhaust system heat shields every 30K miles.
--inspect the flat tire repair kit every year

What I don't know is if they'll include the 60K miles maintenance for free.

eccles

Nope, according to the official letter posted elsewhere, it's good for the regular warranty period (48months/50,000miles).

donald121

Thank you, graphicguy!

Hey, Aratinga, I live in Diamond Bar too. What color is your rx8?

RX8 Seller

I don't personally know of any miata owners that did either, however, being one of Mazda's larger dealers, we did get some of the bought back vehicles to sell for Mazda so I do know that at least a few were sold back to Mazda. If the same deal was available on the miata (not sure, I was not in new Mazda at the time just with the company) I would think the same that I think now. This is a great deal to the owner that is happy with thier new car. And I think would be a fool to sell it back. But thats just my oppinion. If anyone sells back and we get some, I'll try and let you know, I know I can't post vehicles for sale here, but maybe if they are used? I'll ask the moderators. On another note, if you have pre-ordered your vehicle and are in the system, you will get this deal. You do not need to contract or deliver by Tuesday to get it. But if you have not pre-ordered and want one, now is the time. As for the price going down, very doubtful, the Miata continues to go up in price with inflation, just as I assume the RX8 will do as well.

Richard

RotorGeek

I got an 01 Miata for my wife and we took the 500 beans. A co-worker that purchased one 2 weeks after mine returned his. He said it was too small for him. Dumbass

Quick_lude

So the engine is down about 20-25 wheel hp but "performance is unaffected"? Hahaha.. riiiiight... gotta love the marketing boys...
1/4 mile performance seems to be right where it should be, around the 15 sec time which is what you can expect from a 3000lb+/180whp car. I would be really impressed if someone hit 14.4 with the "low hp" car..

Imo, the car is still great, just a little overpriced for the hp that you get. Should be interesting what this does to the market, let's hope Mazda can get this hp back somehow through more testing and research.

LTAGFERN

RX8-TX,

" . . no timing belt on a rotary . . " You mean . . . ? So . . . . Wait just a minute! If there's no timing belt, how does the dash digital clock get re-wound?

rtryrktrx7

I've read through the first 7 pages and stopped. It's become a little redundant. I was wondering if a person decides to sell the car back, and they were a person that chose to pay the Marked up price. Will Mazda give them what the paid or Sticker? I'm assuming what the paid, but would like to hear your thought. Are the delaers buying them back or Mazda, because aren't they separate intities? What if some dealer (and you know your out there) screwed some guy with an $8000 markup or something. Would Mazda match it, or what? Just curious. I haven't jump on the wagon yet...I've learned with my FD, and my TL-S to wait a little for the bugs to be fixed. I feel for you guys, even though it's not that bad of a deal. I'd demand a refund on my extended warranty though. Since all you get is $500 bucks (so I've read). Keep us posted. I've been seeing more and more lately.

rtryrktrx7

From the post above with the maint record. It doesn't look like it will cost Mazda much.

--oil change every 3K miles
--air filter cleaned every 15K miles, replaced at 35K miles
--spark plugs replaced at 35K miles
--replace brake fluid every 30K miles
--replace manual trans oil every 30K miles
--replace rear differential oil every 30K miles
--lube all locks and hinges every 5K miles

Everything else is inspections. It's like my friends BMW. Free Maint. for 36k or so. That's like 4 oil changes, because they told him not to bring it in for an oil change until the indicator says to.

But i guess when you times that by all the cars.....I guess it would add up.

canzoomer

I want the car I paid for.
The one I bought with the money I got after I sold my previous car.
The one I waited months for.
This is not "more" as you put it. And I somewhat resent you trying to imply that I want more.
I do not want "less", however.

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(I shouldn't ask that in today's society, someone is sure to sue saying they want compensation for the mental anguish of being forced to drive such a wimpy car, plus mental duress because their friends who own S2000s are now making fun of them.)

I do not care what other people say, or I would not be reading and posting in these forums.
I do not want compensation, I want the car I paid for
I will ignore the apparent sarcasm in your statement, as I think you mean well.

Quote:

In short:
1) If you own an RX-8 and are unhappy with the HP or numbers, return it for a full refund.
2) If you like your car, keep it and take the credit and maintenance.
3) If you haven't bought one yet and are upset by the situation, DON'T BUY ONE. Don't whine here, it doesn't do any good. Write a letter to Mazda if you like telling them why you won't buy an 8; they're not reading your message here. Don't talk about how this will bankrupt Mazda; most buyers don't know/care about what's happened here and even fewer have heard about the Miata fiasco.
Why is this so difficult?

1) I already own an RX-8, I am not happy, and I do not want to return it.

I expect Mazda to fix it so it is functions correctly, as the car I paid for.
As far as I am concerned, it is no different than if the brakes did not work, or the air conditioning did not work. I expect them to fix it and return it to fully functioning condition, as advertised.

2) I do not want the credit and maintenance, I want the car I paid for. I expect Mazda to fix it.
IF I wanted to take a settlement, I would expect one that is equivalent to the cost of returning it to the state as advertised, and as paid for.
To make a 220HP car into a 247HP car it will likely cost me around $2,000 to $3,000 for aftermarket components, plus labour, plus some compensation for the fact that I was forced to do it, instead of Mazda doing it.
The offer of $500 and "free maintenance" I consider to be at best an opening offer in a negotiation, and at worst, an insult.

3) Until Mazda fixes it, I would hope that nobody else is going to buy one without knowing the facts.
Simply reducing the claimed horsepower is not enough.
As I already mentioned it costs money to rework the car afterwards, and many who have already ordered one, or who are shopping will not be likely to know that Mazda have changed the spec.
Mazda needs to make greater efforts to make sure that people are not in a position to buy this car unless they are fully aware of the revised spec. I do not expect the majority of dealers to go out of their way to point this out!

As long as apologists keep forgiving them for it, and moderators on this forum keep closing forums and practising censorship, how will prospective buyer even find out that the car Mazda advertised is NOT the one they are selling?

Quote:

Why is this so difficult?

Some of us do NOT find Mazda's offer acceptable, and expect a different response.
I believe I have clearly expressed that already, and have done so again in this message.
Why do YOU find a different viewpoint so difficult to understand?

THOR

The fact that the 350Z dynoed at Vishnu Performance with 50 wheel horsepower more than the RX-8 should settle any dispute as to the horsepower these cars have. Unless the RX-8 has a secret AWD system that sucks up all the engine power? FYI the difference between RWD and AWD horsepower on a Dyno Dynamics Dyno is 30% more loss for the AWD. The WRX which is rated at 227 horsepower makes 160 AWD horsepower on this dyno, which is MORE than the RX-8 could muster at the rear wheels only!

Hopefully Mazda will fix the missing 35-40 horsepower and make the RX-8 what they promised, and what you fine Rotary lovers purchased. A 4 door sports car with 250 horsepower, not 210 horsepower. This will in my mind screw with the launch of the 1.6 liter RX-7 (300 horsepower???:p yeah right) as once again Mazda has lied to their loyal customers.

Thor.

graphicguy

What you are asking for is Mazda to guarantee the performance that 247 HP would give the car. That's not something any car company can do. They did tell you that the car has 238HP at the crank. There's enough ways to dyno and fudge that number as there are to get a dyno number that is correct. I empathise with all of us, but would it make any of us feel any better if Mazda told you the car had 248 HP and the performance numbers are the same as a 220 HP car?

There is no contract between you and Mazda that would compel them to "give you" the horsepower. How you expect to force Mazda to do that is a mystery to me.

I suppose you can keep complaining on these boards, but that won't increase your horsepower.

msrecant

Lets see ... the 350z is manufacturer rated 287 hp at the flywheel, and the RX-8 is rated 238 hp at the flywheel. Why that is a 49 HP difference at the flywheel! Vishnu Performance measured a 50 hp difference at the rear wheels.

Unless I'm missing something, I don't see 35-40 hp missing, just the 9hp Mazda owned up to (247-238).

Irish_in_a_RX8

iTrader: (1)

I recieved my letter Saturday, called Mazda this morning. Its true, $500 DC and free maintenance inc labor and parts.

Told them I was neither happy or unhappy. Wanted to keep the car, just wanted my HP as advertised. They in return could do nothing but the two options they sent out in the letter. I asked why they couldnt rework the engine - apparantly thats impossible the product guys saY!?!

So - Mazda advised to for me to return the car, and perhaps buy another with different options - go figure. Regardless of how much we all complain - they will do nothing. We all have been screwed in away - but logically speaking - they are legally safe! It comes down now to sales and wether the car is a success.
Do you really think that our actions here will do anything with the success of their cars in other parts in the world? How about a petition? Maybe, maybe not - good luck to us all new RX8 owners.

Ike

You seem to be forgetting the cars that will be returned, the cars that will not be bought because people are are crossing it off their list, and the general bad press for Mazda. Then there's also the people that are getting frustrated with Mazda and already have the RX-8, they might keep them, but also will think twice about ever getting another new model from Mazda again. This is going to cost Mazda more than just what appears on the surface.

Ike

THOR

Actually the 350Z also looked a little weak on the dyno and may not have been making all of the advertised horsepower also? However it also made 50 wheel horsepower more which would translate to at least 70 flywheel horsepower more than the RX-8. Lets see, 210 hp plus 70 hp equals 280 hp. That looks about right to me and only 7 less than Nissan claims for the 350Z.

Thor.

Ike

The Vishnu dyno routinely gets lower numbers than any other dyno I have seen.

ProtoConVert

Wait... does your friend have a oil change every Xk miles deal or is it stipulated in the free maintenance deal that the oil light has to come on?

brothervoodoo

The scheduled maintanence is clearly marked in the RX-8 owners manual. Section 8 I believe (8-5).

If I remember correctly it states, "oil changes are made according the chart by elapes time or mileage which ever comes first. For sake of argument say you don't go over the 50,000 miles in the four years of service. The manual specifies an oil change every 4 months. That would be 12 oil changes in my book. Or, if on mileage at every 5,000 miles, then that would be 10 oil changes. Please check the book to double check my memory.

swift21

I saw xs-engineering dyno an rx-8 and the numbers were really really low. I believe it was in the 170's? The owner of tha car was going to take it back to the dealer to see what was going on. any one else dyno there rx8 yet??

canzoomer

In the case of the Mustang Cobra it took the owners over a year to finally get Ford to own up to and fix the problem, so some patience will be required.

RX-Nut

What we really need is a volunteer to put his engine on a dyno for a flywheel test.... has no one done this yet?

I know it's a bit much to do, I for one cant see someone yanking the heart outta my car and beating it to a pulp.. heheh