Mazda admits power deficiency!
08-25-2003, 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by THOR
Actually the 350Z also looked a little weak on the dyno and may not have been making all of the advertised horsepower also? However it also made 50 wheel horsepower more which would translate to at least 70 flywheel horsepower more than the RX-8. Lets see, 210 hp plus 70 hp equals 280 hp. That looks about right to me and only 7 less than Nissan claims for the 350Z.
Actually the 350Z also looked a little weak on the dyno and may not have been making all of the advertised horsepower also? However it also made 50 wheel horsepower more which would translate to at least 70 flywheel horsepower more than the RX-8. Lets see, 210 hp plus 70 hp equals 280 hp. That looks about right to me and only 7 less than Nissan claims for the 350Z.
However, your 30% drive-train-loss, from above, seems high. There have been posts showing actual RX-8 dyno results of 184 hp at the rear wheels. A 30% dtl gives too large a crank-hp number.
08-25-2003, 03:54 PM
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Mazda Canada also fesses up
NEWS FLASH!!
I just received a call back from Mazda Canada.
I had enquired Friday and this morning to see if they were downgrading the claimed HP in Canada too.
They are. Same as USA
I asked what they were offering, and they tell me that is similar to the USA:
Free scheduled maintenance for the warranty period.
$500 cash back.
You should note that I said "similar"
In the USA they are offering $500 back, in US dollars.
In Canada they are offering us $500 Canadian
In the USA they have a 4 year warranty.
In Canada it is a 3 year warranty.
Taking their $1,200 claimed value for the service in USA as true, that means we are being screwed to the tune of about $400 on the service and $175 on the credit.
I just received a call back from Mazda Canada.
I had enquired Friday and this morning to see if they were downgrading the claimed HP in Canada too.
They are. Same as USA
I asked what they were offering, and they tell me that is similar to the USA:
Free scheduled maintenance for the warranty period.
$500 cash back.
You should note that I said "similar"
In the USA they are offering $500 back, in US dollars.
In Canada they are offering us $500 Canadian
In the USA they have a 4 year warranty.
In Canada it is a 3 year warranty.
Taking their $1,200 claimed value for the service in USA as true, that means we are being screwed to the tune of about $400 on the service and $175 on the credit.
08-25-2003, 04:06 PM
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Re: On the fence
Originally posted by rowentx
I'm definatey on the fence right now. Should I take the buy back or the money and service? That is the question.
I love the car, I look forward to driving it everyday. It's a great car and I've had no complaints so far.
However, I got home Saturday afternoon and there was one message on the answering machine; it was the sales person I worked with. He briefly explained the offer in the message, but left out the real meat of why he called. My stomach sunk, because I knew deep down what it was about.
I do feel that car value is a question now, is $1500 or so enough? How can I justify the expense of this vehicle when it is very apparent that I paid for more performance than I actually got? Heck, the dyno results posted on this board suggest it's even more of a power deficiency than 9HP.
I'm trying not to be rash, hopefully a good nights sleep will keep from leaning towards the buy back. In the end I want the car, but the economics tell me I overpaid.
I'll be interested to see how this plays out over the next week, I won't make a decision until I receive the letter from Mazda.
Love the board, glad to see Mazda has at least reacted.
I'm definatey on the fence right now. Should I take the buy back or the money and service? That is the question.
I love the car, I look forward to driving it everyday. It's a great car and I've had no complaints so far.
However, I got home Saturday afternoon and there was one message on the answering machine; it was the sales person I worked with. He briefly explained the offer in the message, but left out the real meat of why he called. My stomach sunk, because I knew deep down what it was about.
I do feel that car value is a question now, is $1500 or so enough? How can I justify the expense of this vehicle when it is very apparent that I paid for more performance than I actually got? Heck, the dyno results posted on this board suggest it's even more of a power deficiency than 9HP.
I'm trying not to be rash, hopefully a good nights sleep will keep from leaning towards the buy back. In the end I want the car, but the economics tell me I overpaid.
I'll be interested to see how this plays out over the next week, I won't make a decision until I receive the letter from Mazda.
Love the board, glad to see Mazda has at least reacted.
Put another way, how many of us would be unsatisfied if we had never known the HP figures, either advertised or actual?
08-25-2003, 04:14 PM
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I just picked up my VR RX-8, and a funny thing happened. It felt like the same car I test drove, but the dealer said something about now I get a $500 gift card and free maintenance for 4 years. ;<)) Seems like an easy $1260 to me....
So the number's a little off. Do you count horses while you drive?? Still feels the same as before....
So the number's a little off. Do you count horses while you drive?? Still feels the same as before....
08-25-2003, 06:08 PM
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How long did we have the cars before the dyno?
Ok, so here's a simple question.
How long did we have the cars before the dyno's started?
I actually got mine after the first dyno and was not concerned (I'm not really into the numbers that much).
But, what people are forgetting is the (what month?) before anyone dynoed the car everyone that owned it raved about it, EVERYTHING, from style to power.
All of a sudden a dyno comes out, many say, ah not broken in yet, it's wrong lets wait, it feels faster than that.
All of a sudden we get official HP reduction numbers and the car SUCKS!
I've noticed A LOT of posters that are complaining don't even own the car, and if you aren't happy then get something else.
If you do own the car, than think about this before you complain too much.
If you didn't know about this website, what would you be doing? Wondering where your 9hp or 29 hp is? Nope probably not, you would probably be driving with a big *** GRIN on your silly face :D
I think our butts spend too much time on the computer and not enough time in the driver seat
How long did we have the cars before the dyno's started?
I actually got mine after the first dyno and was not concerned (I'm not really into the numbers that much).
But, what people are forgetting is the (what month?) before anyone dynoed the car everyone that owned it raved about it, EVERYTHING, from style to power.
All of a sudden a dyno comes out, many say, ah not broken in yet, it's wrong lets wait, it feels faster than that.
All of a sudden we get official HP reduction numbers and the car SUCKS!
I've noticed A LOT of posters that are complaining don't even own the car, and if you aren't happy then get something else.
If you do own the car, than think about this before you complain too much.
If you didn't know about this website, what would you be doing? Wondering where your 9hp or 29 hp is? Nope probably not, you would probably be driving with a big *** GRIN on your silly face :D
I think our butts spend too much time on the computer and not enough time in the driver seat
08-25-2003, 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by loco4rx8
No, I don't believe I am, thank you. You are not the type of person I was referring to as Joe and Jane Schmo. You have been reading this site for a while. 99% of people are not reading this site.
As for "all the talk on the site," are you just selectively reading? There have been many positive posts from owners who are very happy with their cars. Unfortunately, on any owners forum, a lot of the posts are going to be focussing on problems. That's the nature of the beast. You'll find that at ANY car forum.
I was reading the forum before I decided to make my purchase. I drove the car, loved it, and bought it despite the complaints of a few. If you decide to wait for a while, more power to you. I initially wanted to do that, but after driving the car and falling in love, I just couldn't bring myself to wait any longer.
No, I don't believe I am, thank you. You are not the type of person I was referring to as Joe and Jane Schmo. You have been reading this site for a while. 99% of people are not reading this site.
As for "all the talk on the site," are you just selectively reading? There have been many positive posts from owners who are very happy with their cars. Unfortunately, on any owners forum, a lot of the posts are going to be focussing on problems. That's the nature of the beast. You'll find that at ANY car forum.
I was reading the forum before I decided to make my purchase. I drove the car, loved it, and bought it despite the complaints of a few. If you decide to wait for a while, more power to you. I initially wanted to do that, but after driving the car and falling in love, I just couldn't bring myself to wait any longer.
I have been reading all the good posts also. They are why I am interested in the car. I knew when I got my Formula that it was not a good car for repairs etc and it has lived up to its reputation. However, I have had a lot of fun with it. I was hoping that I could upgrade to a new car without the potential repair problems.
I went last night to the local dealer (after closing) and they have a $1800 markup plus 'customer care' for another $1000. Since I have two cars I can wait. I will continue to read and hope this is just a small item in an otherwise good car.
08-25-2003, 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by THOR
Actually the 350Z also looked a little weak on the dyno and may not have been making all of the advertised horsepower also? However it also made 50 wheel horsepower more which would translate to at least 70 flywheel horsepower more than the RX-8. Lets see, 210 hp plus 70 hp equals 280 hp. That looks about right to me and only 7 less than Nissan claims for the 350Z.
Thor.
Actually the 350Z also looked a little weak on the dyno and may not have been making all of the advertised horsepower also? However it also made 50 wheel horsepower more which would translate to at least 70 flywheel horsepower more than the RX-8. Lets see, 210 hp plus 70 hp equals 280 hp. That looks about right to me and only 7 less than Nissan claims for the 350Z.
Thor.
Funny, the last time I checked, 244whp dyno on a 287hp car is damn strong.
244-180 = 64whp difference, which is about 75hp higher at the crank. That would mean if Nissan's 287hp is on target, then the RX-8 should be rated at 287-75=212hp...... which btw: is pretty much what Sports Compact car got on their 'flawed' pre-production 6MT RX-8. Kind of makes you wonder.
08-25-2003, 07:25 PM
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I wonder if those 350Z numbers were on a pre-production car or on a strong running production one? The car we tested may have been a Friday build or it could have been the 98 degree day that contributed to the less than stellar numbers. I would expect the 287 horsepower 350Z to make around 215 wheel horsepwoer on the dyno dynamics dyno, not 205. But again the numbers in the dynojet show that the 350Z is making around 70-75 horsepower more thean the RX-8. I highly doubt the Z is making 310 horsepower with its motor from the factory.
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Remember that SCC article? A look back...
Everybody remember way back when in May when Sport Compact car ran that test on the RX8?
Remember how the car was a huge let down on the dyno - and fell flat on its face after 6000 RPM? Comments like "this car on the dyno is showing numbers more like that of what the 210hp car should be"
Remember how Mazda suddenly swooped in and took the car back?
If it was a sticky port, couldn't they have changed the actuator in a matter of hours or days and gave the fixed cars back to SCC to complete the test? Wouldn't they have wanted a test showing the car was fixed and at its true potential?
Could it be that they knew since back then already that the car was not making 250hp? They blamed it on a sticky port, but was it really a sticky port? Come to think about it, I don't think they ever made an official statement on it other then tipping off a writer at SCC who probably never bothered to look further into it. Its funny how back then we were all trusting in Mazda and were glad they found the problem and were fixing it before we were even getting out cars.
Seems like things changed now however.
Yea, the car is matching the performance numbers of the pre-prod cars. Pre-prod cars that were reportedly detuned and having sticky valve problems. I guess it turns out they were just BSing us right from the beginning, the production cars match these perfectly.
Remember how the car was a huge let down on the dyno - and fell flat on its face after 6000 RPM? Comments like "this car on the dyno is showing numbers more like that of what the 210hp car should be"
Remember how Mazda suddenly swooped in and took the car back?
If it was a sticky port, couldn't they have changed the actuator in a matter of hours or days and gave the fixed cars back to SCC to complete the test? Wouldn't they have wanted a test showing the car was fixed and at its true potential?
Could it be that they knew since back then already that the car was not making 250hp? They blamed it on a sticky port, but was it really a sticky port? Come to think about it, I don't think they ever made an official statement on it other then tipping off a writer at SCC who probably never bothered to look further into it. Its funny how back then we were all trusting in Mazda and were glad they found the problem and were fixing it before we were even getting out cars.
Seems like things changed now however.
Yea, the car is matching the performance numbers of the pre-prod cars. Pre-prod cars that were reportedly detuned and having sticky valve problems. I guess it turns out they were just BSing us right from the beginning, the production cars match these perfectly.
08-25-2003, 08:05 PM
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Compensation for pre-orders
I have a vehicle on order and my dealer called me today to advise that I had two options with regards to the power issue. For those orders that only a deposit has been made, Mazda will offer a refund of the deposit or you can have the free maintenance (no $500 debit card). If you make your downpayment, then the car is considered sold and you get both the free maintenance and the $500 card. I went ahead and made my downpayment since my car is in port and should be delivered in the next 10 days.
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Originally posted by THOR
I wonder if those 350Z numbers were on a pre-production car or on a strong running production one?
The car we tested may have been a Friday build or it could have been the 98 degree day that contributed to the less than stellar numbers.
I would expect the 287 horsepower 350Z to make around 215 wheel horsepwoer on the dyno dynamics dyno, not 205. But again the numbers in the dynojet show that the 350Z is making around 70-75 horsepower more thean the RX-8. I highly doubt the Z is making 310 horsepower with its motor from the factory.
Thor.
I wonder if those 350Z numbers were on a pre-production car or on a strong running production one?
The car we tested may have been a Friday build or it could have been the 98 degree day that contributed to the less than stellar numbers.
I would expect the 287 horsepower 350Z to make around 215 wheel horsepwoer on the dyno dynamics dyno, not 205. But again the numbers in the dynojet show that the 350Z is making around 70-75 horsepower more thean the RX-8. I highly doubt the Z is making 310 horsepower with its motor from the factory.
Thor.
1) Read the SCC article, I am pretty sure it's a production 350Z. If you think the SCC dyno might be high, you can check 350Zforum for user dynos. Also, 350Z and G35 have exhaust and ECU designed to conform to US emission standards.
2) Friday build? Every RX-8 that has been dynoed on this forum have been Friday built? Honestly.... I don't think so. Even if the temperature was higher than normal, dyno computers adjust for that.
3) Why would you expect the 350Z to put down 215whp? The 350Z is dynoing around 70+hp higher than RX-8 at the crank - that's a fact, not a guess. Now that leads to two possible answers: Either a 350Z makes 310hp from the factory OR------> The RX-8 is making 212hp from the factory. Sorry if I didn't make it clear before.
08-25-2003, 08:32 PM
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If you go back and look at the dyno thread, I posted charts of stock 350Zs, S2000s and RX-8s together. The Z was making, on average 42 hp more than the S2000 and 65 hp more than the RX-8.
The differential between the Z and the S2000 sounds about right (47 hp on paper, 42 hp on the dyno). So, where does that put the RX-8?
To be honest, I was kind of hoping they'd offer a fix. As I continue to shop for a 4-seat car the RX-8 looks more attractive, but being down 30-40 hp from advertised is a bit much at that price point.
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The differential between the Z and the S2000 sounds about right (47 hp on paper, 42 hp on the dyno). So, where does that put the RX-8?
To be honest, I was kind of hoping they'd offer a fix. As I continue to shop for a 4-seat car the RX-8 looks more attractive, but being down 30-40 hp from advertised is a bit much at that price point.
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Has the Torque figure been restated as well? Wouldn't the change in horsepower numbers also change the torque numbers??
Sorry if this has already been discussed, this thread is huge!!!
Sorry if this has already been discussed, this thread is huge!!!
08-25-2003, 09:08 PM
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Let me first state that I LOVE my RX-8. This is my first rotary to ever drive and it makes driving a blast. Every time I climb in my 8 and turn the ignition my face lights up. However, am I the only one who thinks that MSRP should be lowered now that this news is out. If Mazda wants to price the RX-8 close to 350z territory, then it needs to match the performance of the 350z more closely. Someone posted that we have until Oct 1st to make our decision wether or not to sell the car back. That is VERY tempting. Again, not that I am disappointed with the car at all....I'm not. In my opinion, the car is still plenty fast. BUT my enjoyment of the car does not change the fact that current MSRP reflects the 250 hp 8 and not the current one we now own. In my opinion MSRP now needs to drop about $1,500-$2,000 on both base model transmissions. So, I am wondering if anyone else is tempted to drive their RX-8 like mad until the end of Sept, trade it in and start all over with much more bargaining power. Even if I were to sell it back, I would repurchase one if not immediately, than withing a couple of months. What are the odds of Mazda lowering MSRP like they lower hp.....anyone.
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I really wish people would stop comparing the 8 to a Z (and the S2K for that matter). They are not comparable vehicles. Most importantly, you can't fit more than 2 people in a Z! That is a major deal to people whom Mazda targeted with this car -- people like me, with a kid. I love the Z, but it is not even an option for me. The only thing that comes close that is not a sedan or a coupe that is merely a 2-door sedan is the G35 C, and it's more expensive with similar options.
Whatever the HP, unless it's down in Tiburon range, there is nothing that fits my requirements like the RX-8. That was true 6 months ago and it's still true today. There is no substitute close enough that makes giving the car back even an option. Not that I would want to.
A lot of this just sounds like sour grapes to me.
Whatever the HP, unless it's down in Tiburon range, there is nothing that fits my requirements like the RX-8. That was true 6 months ago and it's still true today. There is no substitute close enough that makes giving the car back even an option. Not that I would want to.
A lot of this just sounds like sour grapes to me.
08-25-2003, 09:27 PM
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Originally posted by ChurchAutoTest
To be honest, I was kind of hoping they'd offer a fix.
To be honest, I was kind of hoping they'd offer a fix.
08-25-2003, 09:40 PM
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Originally posted by ChurchAutoTest
If you go back and look at the dyno thread, I posted charts of stock 350Zs, S2000s and RX-8s together. The Z was making, on average 42 hp more than the S2000 and 65 hp more than the RX-8.
The differential between the Z and the S2000 sounds about right (47 hp on paper, 42 hp on the dyno). So, where does that put the RX-8?
If you go back and look at the dyno thread, I posted charts of stock 350Zs, S2000s and RX-8s together. The Z was making, on average 42 hp more than the S2000 and 65 hp more than the RX-8.
The differential between the Z and the S2000 sounds about right (47 hp on paper, 42 hp on the dyno). So, where does that put the RX-8?
So when the dyno puts the 350z (287 hp on paper) 65 hp over the RX-8 that differential would imply th RX-8 to have 287-65=222 hp.
Other owners have dyno tested at 184 whp. Using a 17% drive-train-loss that would also put the RX-8 at 221.8 hp at the flywheel.
It looks to me like the RX-8 is coming in around 222 crank-hp, not 210, which would put it down 25 hp from the original Mazda 247 hp spec.
08-25-2003, 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by Zaphod
Here's another thing that bugs me. To offer a "fix" there would have to be something broken. That the car doesn't delivered as much HP as originally advertised does not mean anything is broken, and therefore there is nothing to fix. Hey, if you want to blame something, blame the hippy wackos in Cali for the emissions BS.
Here's another thing that bugs me. To offer a "fix" there would have to be something broken. That the car doesn't delivered as much HP as originally advertised does not mean anything is broken, and therefore there is nothing to fix. Hey, if you want to blame something, blame the hippy wackos in Cali for the emissions BS.
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Bottom line: I have to decide tomorrow to buy the RX8 31,100 list.
The the deal will be 29,000 for the GT package. This is pretty close to invoice. I have driven all the competition Honda, Maxima,G35,Acura ect. I like the package. I do not like the problems that are being talked about. I know having bought a Tundra 6 months out about new model problems. I had the minor ones. I still love the truck. I will buy the RX8, G35 or the the safe and bland Honda V6. Or should I wait until spring and let the fall out show it's true colors. I live in Chicago and plan to keep the
97 Accord with 140,000 miles on it to drive the winter. Is the deal + the service worth the chance. I think it is really sad that you can not reley on the Manufacture to provide accurate readings. In a test drive with a car with 5 miles on would you red line it, then buy it ? I expect this sh*t from us brands ( last purchase 1977) What to do?
The the deal will be 29,000 for the GT package. This is pretty close to invoice. I have driven all the competition Honda, Maxima,G35,Acura ect. I like the package. I do not like the problems that are being talked about. I know having bought a Tundra 6 months out about new model problems. I had the minor ones. I still love the truck. I will buy the RX8, G35 or the the safe and bland Honda V6. Or should I wait until spring and let the fall out show it's true colors. I live in Chicago and plan to keep the
97 Accord with 140,000 miles on it to drive the winter. Is the deal + the service worth the chance. I think it is really sad that you can not reley on the Manufacture to provide accurate readings. In a test drive with a car with 5 miles on would you red line it, then buy it ? I expect this sh*t from us brands ( last purchase 1977) What to do?
08-25-2003, 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by Zaphod
I really wish people would stop comparing the 8 to a Z (and the S2K for that matter). They are not comparable vehicles. Most importantly, you can't fit more than 2 people in a Z! That is a major deal to people whom Mazda targeted with this car -- people like me, with a kid. I love the Z, but it is not even an option for me. The only thing that comes close that is not a sedan or a coupe that is merely a 2-door sedan is the G35 C, and it's more expensive with similar options.
Whatever the HP, unless it's down in Tiburon range, there is nothing that fits my requirements like the RX-8. That was true 6 months ago and it's still true today. There is no substitute close enough that makes giving the car back even an option. Not that I would want to.
A lot of this just sounds like sour grapes to me.
I really wish people would stop comparing the 8 to a Z (and the S2K for that matter). They are not comparable vehicles. Most importantly, you can't fit more than 2 people in a Z! That is a major deal to people whom Mazda targeted with this car -- people like me, with a kid. I love the Z, but it is not even an option for me. The only thing that comes close that is not a sedan or a coupe that is merely a 2-door sedan is the G35 C, and it's more expensive with similar options.
Whatever the HP, unless it's down in Tiburon range, there is nothing that fits my requirements like the RX-8. That was true 6 months ago and it's still true today. There is no substitute close enough that makes giving the car back even an option. Not that I would want to.
A lot of this just sounds like sour grapes to me.
This is a thread about the 8 being down on power.
Not seats, not trunk, not the air conditioning, not the leather seats.
Yes, we know the Z and the S2000 are 2 seaters.
So what? We bought the 8 as a sports car.
Not a throw the golf clubs in the back and drive-to-the-country-club-mobile.
That part was what made me steer from the Q35 to the RX-8
It's a sports car.
Many of us bought it because it was supposed to make 250hp and handle well.
The handling is nice, but not THAT nice.
Now we know it is **ALMOST** a sports car.
As was mentioned a couple of messages ago we all read the magazine review, and the part about the "valve sticking" and breathed a sigh of relief.
Boy, did we get suckered..
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Like canzoomer said, the comparisons to the Z, S2K or any other sports car will likely never end.
The main reason being that Mazda decided to tout the RX-8 as a sports car, though that can be highly debated. Also, with pricing close to that of the Z and S2K, G35 then of course people will cross shop. It only gets filtered down to the preference of what people need.
The main reason being that Mazda decided to tout the RX-8 as a sports car, though that can be highly debated. Also, with pricing close to that of the Z and S2K, G35 then of course people will cross shop. It only gets filtered down to the preference of what people need.
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I haven't received my car yet,(Tuesday or Wednesday possibly) but I wouldn't mind 0% finanacing for 60 months like they're doing with all the '03's on the lot.
BTW, another conspiracy theory for those who test drove....The test cars had a 'good' ECU then of course, we get the downgraded version......
Also, the HP question could have been solved months ago...let me explain...I took my son's X-Men remote control car, calculated the relative speed and multiplied by MC(sq.) divided by Mazda's WTF/tell them what they want to hear quotient and came up with 238!!! Why didn't anyone think of that before?
Coming soon! An all new* movie starring the almighty *asterisk*.
Dozens of Hollywoods sexiest actresses, together nude** in the one of the finest*** movies ever released.
*Movie is actually a heavily edited version of a previously released film
** Actresses were nude before and after filming in their dressing rooms
***Movie received $6.00 at box office and standing ovation when the one movie-goer left the theater 4 minutes in.
Isn't amazing how the asterisk has so much power?!!! My initial RX-8 literature went from 250* "provisional target" to 250* with manual trans to 247* and now 238. How many F***N asterisks are supposed to be next to this number? I've got an idea......I'm going to tell my girlfriend that my ***** is really 12" and then get an asterisk tattood on it with small print stating "when put under a LARGE magnigying glass.
It's ashame that this world has become a place where it's O.K. to lie. That there's always some lawyer to cover your ***. We have presidents saying they didn't swallow or what ever the hell he said- so many things, I'm confused - that saddam(n) had Weapons of mass destruction* (* weapons were on his mental wish list as discovered by CIA psychics *). Nobody wants to admit fault and the buck always gets passed on to some other poor smuck(us), for him to sort it out.
I have this dream......wouldn't it be great if one Monday morning, an unmarked box was left on our doorstep with a letter saying " Thanks for your patience....enclosed you will find a new version of your ECU that will increase your HP to 287. Again, sorry for the delay and hope you also enjoy the $500/ service agreement we provided..Secretly your friend.......
Just poking some fun...Don't get me wrong, I'm sure I will enjoy my car and have faith that this "problem" will be resovled shortly......peace
BTW, another conspiracy theory for those who test drove....The test cars had a 'good' ECU then of course, we get the downgraded version......
Also, the HP question could have been solved months ago...let me explain...I took my son's X-Men remote control car, calculated the relative speed and multiplied by MC(sq.) divided by Mazda's WTF/tell them what they want to hear quotient and came up with 238!!! Why didn't anyone think of that before?
Coming soon! An all new* movie starring the almighty *asterisk*.
Dozens of Hollywoods sexiest actresses, together nude** in the one of the finest*** movies ever released.
*Movie is actually a heavily edited version of a previously released film
** Actresses were nude before and after filming in their dressing rooms
***Movie received $6.00 at box office and standing ovation when the one movie-goer left the theater 4 minutes in.
Isn't amazing how the asterisk has so much power?!!! My initial RX-8 literature went from 250* "provisional target" to 250* with manual trans to 247* and now 238. How many F***N asterisks are supposed to be next to this number? I've got an idea......I'm going to tell my girlfriend that my ***** is really 12" and then get an asterisk tattood on it with small print stating "when put under a LARGE magnigying glass.
It's ashame that this world has become a place where it's O.K. to lie. That there's always some lawyer to cover your ***. We have presidents saying they didn't swallow or what ever the hell he said- so many things, I'm confused - that saddam(n) had Weapons of mass destruction* (* weapons were on his mental wish list as discovered by CIA psychics *). Nobody wants to admit fault and the buck always gets passed on to some other poor smuck(us), for him to sort it out.
I have this dream......wouldn't it be great if one Monday morning, an unmarked box was left on our doorstep with a letter saying " Thanks for your patience....enclosed you will find a new version of your ECU that will increase your HP to 287. Again, sorry for the delay and hope you also enjoy the $500/ service agreement we provided..Secretly your friend.......
Just poking some fun...Don't get me wrong, I'm sure I will enjoy my car and have faith that this "problem" will be resovled shortly......peace