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01-15-2010, 09:46 AM
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people need to learn how to read an Owner's Manual...
01-15-2010, 11:23 AM
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I don't think many would disagree that the Renesis is not a particularly long-lived engine. The pre 2002 Toyota 4-cylinders would run 250k miles with even marginal maintenance, but then that's 250k miles of utter boredom. It reminds me of a discussion I had with a customer service person at VW/Audi North America headquarters. She said that the majority of their pissed-off customers were people who bought the A4 turbo and then expected it to run like a Toyota. Most maxed themselves out on credit to 'afford' one, but then couldn't afford the recommended service intervals and expected VWNA to pick up the tab when something broke. By comparison, the A6/A8 customers were seldom yelling on the phone.
Now that used prices of older RX8's are approaching the credit limit of teens and college students, the same problem is happening: spending all the cash on a rather exotic car, then not being able to deal with the problems after. $10k for a used Corolla makes a lot more sense than $10k for an RX, for someone with limited resources.
For anyone looking to buy a used RX-8, my advice is to be very patient. Many of them are used as "toys" and not daily drivers. For every RX with 80k miles, there's one with 30k miles. Find that one.
I bought my 2006 GT in July 2009, for $16k from a gearhead millionaire who had 15 other cars in his garage with his other toys (including a rotary-powered street legal golf cart!). It had accumulated a grand total of 9,200 miles, had not only never been driven in winter, it had never been driven in rain. It had a full tank of factory-original windshield washer fluid. I paid cash, and if it needs a major repair, I have the cash to pay for it (though I might whine a bit). Don't buy what you can't afford to run and maintain. It's a lot more fun that way.
Now that used prices of older RX8's are approaching the credit limit of teens and college students, the same problem is happening: spending all the cash on a rather exotic car, then not being able to deal with the problems after. $10k for a used Corolla makes a lot more sense than $10k for an RX, for someone with limited resources.
For anyone looking to buy a used RX-8, my advice is to be very patient. Many of them are used as "toys" and not daily drivers. For every RX with 80k miles, there's one with 30k miles. Find that one.
I bought my 2006 GT in July 2009, for $16k from a gearhead millionaire who had 15 other cars in his garage with his other toys (including a rotary-powered street legal golf cart!). It had accumulated a grand total of 9,200 miles, had not only never been driven in winter, it had never been driven in rain. It had a full tank of factory-original windshield washer fluid. I paid cash, and if it needs a major repair, I have the cash to pay for it (though I might whine a bit). Don't buy what you can't afford to run and maintain. It's a lot more fun that way.
01-15-2010, 11:45 AM
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Lol win.
There are plenty of members with over 100k on their original engines.. just like there are plenty of "reliable" cars that have engine failures at 10k miles.
There are plenty of members with over 100k on their original engines.. just like there are plenty of "reliable" cars that have engine failures at 10k miles.
01-15-2010, 12:04 PM
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Yeah and there are "plenty" of smokers who live to be 90. The majority don't. There are people who die of heart attacks at age 27 (like a dear friend of mine), but the majority don't.
Any perusal of RX-8 related boards vs say, Miata boards shows a huge difference in the amount of discussion wrt major engine failure. Do you think Mazda came out with the 8yr/100k warranty on RX-8's out of the goodness of its heart? Even the earlier peripheral port rotaries were much better than the Renny in terms of reliability.
01-15-2010, 12:12 PM
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Nonsense.
Yeah and there are "plenty" of smokers who live to be 90. The majority don't. There are people who die of heart attacks at age 27 (like a dear friend of mine), but the majority don't.
Any perusal of RX-8 related boards vs say, Miata boards shows a huge difference in the amount of discussion wrt major engine failure. Do you think Mazda came out with the 8yr/100k warranty on RX-8's out of the goodness of its heart? Even the earlier peripheral port rotaries were much better than the Renny in terms of reliability.
Yeah and there are "plenty" of smokers who live to be 90. The majority don't. There are people who die of heart attacks at age 27 (like a dear friend of mine), but the majority don't.
Any perusal of RX-8 related boards vs say, Miata boards shows a huge difference in the amount of discussion wrt major engine failure. Do you think Mazda came out with the 8yr/100k warranty on RX-8's out of the goodness of its heart? Even the earlier peripheral port rotaries were much better than the Renny in terms of reliability.
As others said, read the manual. Not to mention the guys been a member here for 8 months. The first thing I read when I came to this site was the upping of the warranty to 8-year/100k on the engine core. Was one of the major deciding factors when I bought a new RX-8.
01-15-2010, 12:14 PM
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Nonsense.
Yeah and there are "plenty" of smokers who live to be 90. The majority don't. There are people who die of heart attacks at age 27 (like a dear friend of mine), but the majority don't.
Any perusal of RX-8 related boards vs say, Miata boards shows a huge difference in the amount of discussion wrt major engine failure. Do you think Mazda came out with the 8yr/100k warranty on RX-8's out of the goodness of its heart? Even the earlier peripheral port rotaries were much better than the Renny in terms of reliability.
Yeah and there are "plenty" of smokers who live to be 90. The majority don't. There are people who die of heart attacks at age 27 (like a dear friend of mine), but the majority don't.
Any perusal of RX-8 related boards vs say, Miata boards shows a huge difference in the amount of discussion wrt major engine failure. Do you think Mazda came out with the 8yr/100k warranty on RX-8's out of the goodness of its heart? Even the earlier peripheral port rotaries were much better than the Renny in terms of reliability.
01-15-2010, 12:23 PM
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Nonsense.
Yeah and there are "plenty" of smokers who live to be 90. The majority don't. There are people who die of heart attacks at age 27 (like a dear friend of mine), but the majority don't.
Any perusal of RX-8 related boards vs say, Miata boards shows a huge difference in the amount of discussion wrt major engine failure. Do you think Mazda came out with the 8yr/100k warranty on RX-8's out of the goodness of its heart? Even the earlier peripheral port rotaries were much better than the Renny in terms of reliability.
Yeah and there are "plenty" of smokers who live to be 90. The majority don't. There are people who die of heart attacks at age 27 (like a dear friend of mine), but the majority don't.
Any perusal of RX-8 related boards vs say, Miata boards shows a huge difference in the amount of discussion wrt major engine failure. Do you think Mazda came out with the 8yr/100k warranty on RX-8's out of the goodness of its heart? Even the earlier peripheral port rotaries were much better than the Renny in terms of reliability.
You're right, because, everyone who doesn't have an issue with their car comes to post "hey my car didn't die today"
01-15-2010, 12:29 PM
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01-15-2010, 12:32 PM
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Nonsense.
Yeah and there are "plenty" of smokers who live to be 90. The majority don't. There are people who die of heart attacks at age 27 (like a dear friend of mine), but the majority don't.
Any perusal of RX-8 related boards vs say, Miata boards shows a huge difference in the amount of discussion wrt major engine failure. Do you think Mazda came out with the 8yr/100k warranty on RX-8's out of the goodness of its heart? Even the earlier peripheral port rotaries were much better than the Renny in terms of reliability.
Yeah and there are "plenty" of smokers who live to be 90. The majority don't. There are people who die of heart attacks at age 27 (like a dear friend of mine), but the majority don't.
Any perusal of RX-8 related boards vs say, Miata boards shows a huge difference in the amount of discussion wrt major engine failure. Do you think Mazda came out with the 8yr/100k warranty on RX-8's out of the goodness of its heart? Even the earlier peripheral port rotaries were much better than the Renny in terms of reliability.
When you buy an RX you're buying an eXperimental powerplant. It comes with a free car attached to it that you can drive around. The engine is very compact and runs hot, need lots of lubrication to prevent wearing, and they don't last as long if you don't have a driver who understands they need to change oil every 3k, redline daily, warm-up completely, etc. The ideal RX driver is someone with a scangauge whose sitting there watching oil/coolant temps while they're driving around. Perfectly suited for racing where long-term reliability and fuel consumption take a back burner to what's really important in life. It's pretty much a true enthusiast-only engine. I agree that most of them won't see 80k
01-15-2010, 01:34 PM
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When you buy an RX you're buying an eXperimental powerplant. It comes with a free car attached to it that you can drive around. The engine is very compact and runs hot, need lots of lubrication to prevent wearing, and they don't last as long if you don't have a driver who understands they need to change oil every 3k, redline daily, warm-up completely, etc. The ideal RX driver is someone with a scangauge whose sitting there watching oil/coolant temps while they're driving around. Perfectly suited for racing where long-term reliability and fuel consumption take a back burner to what's really important in life. It's pretty much a true enthusiast-only engine. I agree that most of them won't see 80k
When you buy an RX you're buying an eXperimental powerplant. It comes with a free car attached to it that you can drive around. The engine is very compact and runs hot, need lots of lubrication to prevent wearing, and they don't last as long if you don't have a driver who understands they need to change oil every 3k, redline daily, warm-up completely, etc. The ideal RX driver is someone with a scangauge whose sitting there watching oil/coolant temps while they're driving around. Perfectly suited for racing where long-term reliability and fuel consumption take a back burner to what's really important in life. It's pretty much a true enthusiast-only engine. I agree that most of them won't see 80k
. I've owned it since new but I'm not sure if I will want to own it after 100K warranty is up though.
01-15-2010, 08:47 PM
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Oh I suspect (without real numbers) that the majority will, but ~25% (again guessing) won't do it on one engine. Whether it's 25% or 50% or 10%, it's a number far higher than it should be. I'd bet the chances of a Toyota engine going 220k miles without serious issues are much higher than a Renny reaching 120k. Is anyone gonna congratulate me for reaching 150k miles with my Solara? No way, because it's so unremarkable.
01-16-2010, 07:57 AM
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Oh I suspect (without real numbers) that the majority will, but ~25% (again guessing) won't do it on one engine. Whether it's 25% or 50% or 10%, it's a number far higher than it should be. I'd bet the chances of a Toyota engine going 220k miles without serious issues are much higher than a Renny reaching 120k. Is anyone gonna congratulate me for reaching 150k miles with my Solara? No way, because it's so unremarkable.
01-17-2010, 02:05 PM
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Only during the bumper-to-bumper warranty. The only things covered till 100,000 miles is the "short block" so to speak, the rotors, housings, and engine internals. Which, by the way, is really the only major source of real engine failure if you're not stupid and can handle a few minor repairs of other components, so its a DAMN good warranty.
01-18-2010, 11:19 AM
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