My 2004 RX-8 is misfiring and getting TERRIBLE gas mileage.
#1
My 2004 RX-8 is misfiring and getting TERRIBLE gas mileage.
Well, guys. It's been nice.. That's for sure. My car currently has around 88k miles on it and just started to have multiple misfires not too long ago. Every time I floor it it'll LAGS like a beech. I swear, if my 0-60 times aren't above 10 seconds I'd shat my pants. Yesterday I got OWNED by a prius. AN EFFING PRIUS GUYS! There are times I feel like the car has extraordinary power, then there are times where I'm pressing it to the floor and it feels like I have an old man pushing on the back. That's until I feed that old bag o sheet some redbull. After it hits 5k it hulls ***. But then when I get up to 7k the check engine light starts blinking. I get such bad gas mileage I'm at the pump every 40 miles..
I'm going to take a wild guess and say my Coils, Plugs & leads need to be switched out or else my catalytic converter will go bad.
Engine code P0300
- iSki123
I'm going to take a wild guess and say my Coils, Plugs & leads need to be switched out or else my catalytic converter will go bad.
Engine code P0300
- iSki123
#2
P0300 IS a misfire. Suffering a misfire? START HERE. Don't lolly-gag too long!
#3
You will typically have at least 1 of the 12 parts (4 coils, 4 plugs, 4 wires) fail within 30,000 miles. Replacing them is regular maintenance. Failing to replace them is a severe cascading failure situation, where additional ignition components start failing faster because of the first failed one. The cat clogs very quickly ($1,300), O2 sensors get damaged ($230 and $130), and engine damage starts($thousands).
Even a cat that DOES NOT have active flashing CEL (which is always a misfire!) but fading ignition components can be down around 30whp. The change is pretty dramatic.
Driving around with misfires severe enough to actually flash the CEL at you is well into the range where you start starting to damage other stuff.
Ignition isn't the only reason for misfires though, so if it's still doing it once you have replaced the ignition, make sure you check over that misfire thread.
Even a cat that DOES NOT have active flashing CEL (which is always a misfire!) but fading ignition components can be down around 30whp. The change is pretty dramatic.
Driving around with misfires severe enough to actually flash the CEL at you is well into the range where you start starting to damage other stuff.
Ignition isn't the only reason for misfires though, so if it's still doing it once you have replaced the ignition, make sure you check over that misfire thread.
#4
My car currently has around 88k miles on it and just started to have multiple misfires not too long ago. Every time I floor it it'll LAGS like a beech. I swear, if my 0-60 times aren't above 10 seconds I'd shat my pants. Yesterday I got OWNED by a prius. AN EFFING PRIUS GUYS!
*Sigh*
BC.
#5
kevin@rotaryresurrection
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You're the kid who works at the ski lodge, who paid cash for their RX-8, who had their "friends from High School" key the crap out of it, and yet here you are, knowing you're getting multiple misfires, and yet you keep driving the car in this condition, complaining that they can't keep up with a Prius from a stop. And to top off all of that, you know your insurance agent is ripping you off, yet you do nothing about it, no matter how much advise we give you.
*Sigh*
BC.
*Sigh*
BC.
(and complains about it as though it's the car's fault).
#7
You're the kid who works at the ski lodge, who paid cash for their RX-8, who had their "friends from High School" key the crap out of it, and yet here you are, knowing you're getting multiple misfires, and yet you keep driving the car in this condition, complaining that they can't keep up with a Prius from a stop. And to top off all of that, you know your insurance agent is ripping you off, yet you do nothing about it, no matter how much advise we give you.
*Sigh*
BC.
*Sigh*
BC.
- iSki123
#9
The ECU keeps track of misfires in a table. They can be read with a halfway decent OBD2 reader.
#10
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#13
Guessing that you have a healthy engine or convincing yourself that it's healthy is somewhat inconclusive.
#14
Installed new coils, sparks and leads. Drove it two miles and the dang thing started to rattle on me, LITERALLY. It shakes violently and sounds like a spark plug hole is open. It's louder than F and it stalls. I had to push it two miles home.. I have no clue what to do. I checked the sparks, coils & leads and everything seems to be fine... I think this is the end guys. =[
#15
Are you sure that you installed the wires in the correct order? If you crossed them and it's firing the wrong plugs at the wrong time, it could easily do this.
Of course, if that is the case, then it could have also damaged the engine. For example, firing the rotor 1 leading plug when the rotor 2 leading plug should be getting fired, you will be igniting 2 rotors at once (roughly). Can lead to all sorts of problems, shakes, bangs, etc...
Of course, if that is the case, then it could have also damaged the engine. For example, firing the rotor 1 leading plug when the rotor 2 leading plug should be getting fired, you will be igniting 2 rotors at once (roughly). Can lead to all sorts of problems, shakes, bangs, etc...
#16
Are you sure that you installed the wires in the correct order? If you crossed them and it's firing the wrong plugs at the wrong time, it could easily do this.
Of course, if that is the case, then it could have also damaged the engine. For example, firing the rotor 1 leading plug when the rotor 2 leading plug should be getting fired, you will be igniting 2 rotors at once (roughly). Can lead to all sorts of problems, shakes, bangs, etc...
Of course, if that is the case, then it could have also damaged the engine. For example, firing the rotor 1 leading plug when the rotor 2 leading plug should be getting fired, you will be igniting 2 rotors at once (roughly). Can lead to all sorts of problems, shakes, bangs, etc...
It's as if it's not firing, the thing is. It was running beautiful until I started to actually drive it. There were times where it sounded and ran normal when I was driving it.. But then this LOUD noise appeared.. How could this be possible with new coils and leads?
#17
I'm going to take a couple of quick guesses here.
1: My Catalytic converter is clogged due to the misfiring before.
2: Side seals & Apex seals are a loss.
3: Coil blew instantly when I installed them.
4: Engine is a total loss.
1: My Catalytic converter is clogged due to the misfiring before.
2: Side seals & Apex seals are a loss.
3: Coil blew instantly when I installed them.
4: Engine is a total loss.
#18
Did you plug the MAF back in after you installed the coils? No MAF plugged in will bog crazy hard.
What I mean to get across is don't jump to "dead engine", when it could have been a mistake during the replacement that just needs to be fixed. Work through the steps first.
What I mean to get across is don't jump to "dead engine", when it could have been a mistake during the replacement that just needs to be fixed. Work through the steps first.
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kevin@rotaryresurrection
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Significant vibration at or near idle, idle like a lawnmower, and sudden loss of half the engine's power output are signs of broken apex seals and complete loss of compression on one rotor/chamber.
Do the poor man's compression test by ear, or use a piston tester if you have one.
compression test. (for the rx8 you can just unplug the crank angle sensor under the main pulley during the test).
Do the poor man's compression test by ear, or use a piston tester if you have one.
compression test. (for the rx8 you can just unplug the crank angle sensor under the main pulley during the test).
Last edited by RotaryResurrection; 03-12-2013 at 03:52 PM.
#20
MAF was plugged back in, that's the last thing I connected before I started the motor. I'm not throwing any codes or check engine lights. Which KILLS me...
#22
Could be. Blasting the combustion out past the plugs, misfiring from the plugs not getting solid grounding to the housing, etc...
Secure them down properly and take it for a drive.
Problems immediately after doing work on a car are nearly always due to what you just did, usually a mistake made.
Secure them down properly and take it for a drive.
Problems immediately after doing work on a car are nearly always due to what you just did, usually a mistake made.
#23
You wouldn't believe what the **** just happened, it started spilling oil EVERYWHERE. I started it up and BOOM oil leaking in every which way..... If it couldn't get ANY worse.. I don't think this is related to the hard starting and terrible running. Because it leaked an assload of it... It seems to be leaking from the starter area...
Last edited by iSki123; 03-12-2013 at 06:56 PM.
#24
Is the "boom" an actual representation of a sound you heard? or just emphasis on it being sudden?
What were you doing with the car when it happened, was it under motion? what revs? etc...
Oil leaks are usually viable from:
- Front oil cooler lines that rust through
- Rear main seal inside the transmission bellhousing (rarely a significant leak)
- oil filter not secured properly
- Cracked engine block
What were you doing with the car when it happened, was it under motion? what revs? etc...
Oil leaks are usually viable from:
- Front oil cooler lines that rust through
- Rear main seal inside the transmission bellhousing (rarely a significant leak)
- oil filter not secured properly
- Cracked engine block
#25
Is the "boom" an actual representation of a sound you heard? or just emphasis on it being sudden?
What were you doing with the car when it happened, was it under motion? what revs? etc...
Oil leaks are usually viable from:
- Front oil cooler lines that rust through
- Rear main seal inside the transmission bellhousing (rarely a significant leak)
- oil filter not secured properly
- Cracked engine block
What were you doing with the car when it happened, was it under motion? what revs? etc...
Oil leaks are usually viable from:
- Front oil cooler lines that rust through
- Rear main seal inside the transmission bellhousing (rarely a significant leak)
- oil filter not secured properly
- Cracked engine block
I bought the RX8 from HELL...
Last edited by iSki123; 03-12-2013 at 07:53 PM.