My first ticket... Don't know what to do...
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Ya, my friend and I were talking about this after, and we figured it was an intimidation tactic and there really weren't any calls. They just figured that two 19 year olds driving at 3am in fairly expensive and fast (maybe not the mercedes, but the evo x definitely) cars can't just be driving and must be racing. Using intimidation to try and get us to confess to us racing since they were not there to physically witness anything occur. Because thinking about the time it takes to get out of your bed, open the blinds of your window and spot 2 cars dragging it down the street at 200km/h AND identify the colors of the cars in the dark is kind of un-realistic (we weren't racing, but if we were we'd probably be going that fast)
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No it most certainly isn't condoned. My onlu gripe with street racing is and has been the disproportionate response by law enforcement and the media.
How about crushing cars of drunk drivers?!? I've based most of my research off of Arizona mostly because we have a serious drunk driving problem here. It's not uncommon for people to be nabbed 3, 4 or even 5 times driving drunk before something serious happens to them. Many cases it's a reoccuring problem where the person simply doesn't care about the consequences so they keep doing it. I bet if you started crushing cars of drunk drivers after their second offense they might think twice about doing it.
In Arizona, 40% - 45% of traffic deaths are drunk driving related while only 8% of traffic deaths are specifically due to "speed".
I don't want to break down life into numbers, but I think my point is made.
As a society we seem to ignore the real problems and dangers behind the wheel. I agree, street racing is very dangerous. I'd just like to see law enforcement tackle the real problems we face. The problem is street racing gets media attention while DUI doesn't.
How about crushing cars of drunk drivers?!? I've based most of my research off of Arizona mostly because we have a serious drunk driving problem here. It's not uncommon for people to be nabbed 3, 4 or even 5 times driving drunk before something serious happens to them. Many cases it's a reoccuring problem where the person simply doesn't care about the consequences so they keep doing it. I bet if you started crushing cars of drunk drivers after their second offense they might think twice about doing it.
In Arizona, 40% - 45% of traffic deaths are drunk driving related while only 8% of traffic deaths are specifically due to "speed".
I don't want to break down life into numbers, but I think my point is made.
As a society we seem to ignore the real problems and dangers behind the wheel. I agree, street racing is very dangerous. I'd just like to see law enforcement tackle the real problems we face. The problem is street racing gets media attention while DUI doesn't.
That's very true, I see drunk drivers almost every night, scariest **** on the road, I always report them immediately, I really wish DUIs were a lot more severe, it seems they're just a slap on the wrist, it's pathetic.
I had a girl in my class in HS kill a family of 4 because she was drunk driving and street racing, she lost her license for 6 months and got a 2,500$ fine, that's it.
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Ya, my friend and I were talking about this after, and we figured it was an intimidation tactic and there really weren't any calls. They just figured that two 19 year olds driving at 3am in fairly expensive and fast (maybe not the mercedes, but the evo x definitely) cars can't just be driving and must be racing. Using intimidation to try and get us to confess to us racing since they were not there to physically witness anything occur. Because thinking about the time it takes to get out of your bed, open the blinds of your window and spot 2 cars dragging it down the street at 200km/h AND identify the colors of the cars in the dark is kind of un-realistic (we weren't racing, but if we were we'd probably be going that fast)
Grow some, bro. You got a little "fix-a-ticket" for not have a piece of paper in your car. You had insurance. That's it. You have nothing to worry about unless you're dumb enough to just pay it, or not be capable of figuring out and executing a simple process to fix it. Dont get your panties wadded up there, man. You're fine.
But, let's summarize... you were driving around at 3 am to go to a parking lot to do a "photoshoot", and your friend isn't smart enough to remember a camera. Strike one. So, you decide to to go driving around above the speed limit through some neighborhood in the early morning. That was smart. Strike two. You get pulled over and you didn't have proof of insurance. Brilliant. Strike three.
I'm glad those cops scared the crap out of you and gave you some heat. Every kid needs to go through that before they realize that it sucks getting pulled over, and you should do whatever you can to not have it happen.
If you don't want to get pulled over, don't speed. Don't drink and drive. Don't roll stopsigns and run redlights. Don't street race. Don't go ripping through neighborhoods at 3am. Don't forget to keep your license, registration and insurance updated. Don't do **** to your car like loud exhaust systems, neon, dark tinted windows and no front plates.
If you do decide to break any of the rules, that's cool. I'm no angel. But, you gotta be prepared to pay to play.
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Dude. Please stop. You're making yourself look kind silly, know what I mean?
Grow some, bro. You got a little "fix-a-ticket" for not have a piece of paper in your car. You had insurance. That's it. You have nothing to worry about unless you're dumb enough to just pay it, or not be capable of figuring out and executing a simple process to fix it. Dont get your panties wadded up there, man. You're fine.
Grow some, bro. You got a little "fix-a-ticket" for not have a piece of paper in your car. You had insurance. That's it. You have nothing to worry about unless you're dumb enough to just pay it, or not be capable of figuring out and executing a simple process to fix it. Dont get your panties wadded up there, man. You're fine.
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Dude. Please stop. You're making yourself look kind silly, know what I mean?
Grow some, bro. You got a little "fix-a-ticket" for not have a piece of paper in your car. You had insurance. That's it. You have nothing to worry about unless you're dumb enough to just pay it, or not be capable of figuring out and executing a simple process to fix it. Dont get your panties wadded up there, man. You're fine.
But, let's summarize... you were driving around at 3 am to go to a parking lot to do a "photoshoot", and your friend isn't smart enough to remember a camera. Strike one. So, you decide to to go driving around above the speed limit through some neighborhood in the early morning. That was smart. Strike two. You get pulled over and you didn't have proof of insurance. Brilliant. Strike three.
I'm glad those cops scared the crap out of you and gave you some heat. Every kid needs to go through that before they realize that it sucks getting pulled over, and you should do whatever you can to not have it happen.
If you don't want to get pulled over, don't speed. Don't drink and drive. Don't roll stopsigns and run redlights. Don't street race. Don't go ripping through neighborhoods at 3am. Don't forget to keep your license, registration and insurance updated. Don't do **** to your car like loud exhaust systems, neon, dark tinted windows and no front plates.
If you do decide to break any of the rules, that's cool. I'm no angel. But, you gotta be prepared to pay to play.
Grow some, bro. You got a little "fix-a-ticket" for not have a piece of paper in your car. You had insurance. That's it. You have nothing to worry about unless you're dumb enough to just pay it, or not be capable of figuring out and executing a simple process to fix it. Dont get your panties wadded up there, man. You're fine.
But, let's summarize... you were driving around at 3 am to go to a parking lot to do a "photoshoot", and your friend isn't smart enough to remember a camera. Strike one. So, you decide to to go driving around above the speed limit through some neighborhood in the early morning. That was smart. Strike two. You get pulled over and you didn't have proof of insurance. Brilliant. Strike three.
I'm glad those cops scared the crap out of you and gave you some heat. Every kid needs to go through that before they realize that it sucks getting pulled over, and you should do whatever you can to not have it happen.
If you don't want to get pulled over, don't speed. Don't drink and drive. Don't roll stopsigns and run redlights. Don't street race. Don't go ripping through neighborhoods at 3am. Don't forget to keep your license, registration and insurance updated. Don't do **** to your car like loud exhaust systems, neon, dark tinted windows and no front plates.
If you do decide to break any of the rules, that's cool. I'm no angel. But, you gotta be prepared to pay to play.
Secondly, we were not ripping through a neighbourhood at excessive speeds. We were going above the posted limit by 5-8 km/h, which is about 3-5 mp/h in a 60 km/h(37.2 mp/h) zone ). I don't see why you would think this is such a big offense because I am almost certain you do the same. NO ONE goes at the EXACT speed limit, I can assure you of that. Besides, if we were speeding at excessive speeds I would not only have a ticket for having an expired insurance card, but also a speeding ticket. In which case I would not be asking for help because that is something which I am at fault for. I don't believe I am at fault for the ticket I received because my insurance company has failed to issue me a renewed insurance card. I CANNOT prevent a ticket when the ticket is for the failure to be in posession of something I do not have. I understand that if I did have the insurance card that this would be an entirely different story. However, that is not the case.
*edit* Just checked the mail, still no insurance card
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Sham, I am trying to help. You are at fault for the ticket.
Your insurance company not sending your updated card was not the root cause. It's the fact that you didn't check that it was expired, and do something about it before it caused you a problem. Do most people actively check if their insurance card is expired? Hell no. That's why a process exists to get it fixed with no penalty. Contact the court, or search on the internet, or read the fine print on your ticket to find out exactly what the process is, and follow it to the letter. You'll get out of it.
Your insurance company not sending your updated card was not the root cause. It's the fact that you didn't check that it was expired, and do something about it before it caused you a problem. Do most people actively check if their insurance card is expired? Hell no. That's why a process exists to get it fixed with no penalty. Contact the court, or search on the internet, or read the fine print on your ticket to find out exactly what the process is, and follow it to the letter. You'll get out of it.
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Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go find my Davy Crockett raccoon hat. I have a hot date, and I zaino'd my wagon and fed the horses in case we go street racing. The saloon is going to be hopping tonight!
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Why be scared? Again, if you didn't do anything wrong, you have to nothing to be scared about.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go find my Davy Crockett raccoon hat. I have a hot date, and I zaino'd my wagon and fed the horses in case we go street racing. The saloon is going to be hopping tonight!
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go find my Davy Crockett raccoon hat. I have a hot date, and I zaino'd my wagon and fed the horses in case we go street racing. The saloon is going to be hopping tonight!
Sham, I am trying to help. You are at fault for the ticket.
Your insurance company not sending your updated card was not the root cause. It's the fact that you didn't check that it was expired, and do something about it before it caused you a problem. Do most people actively check if their insurance card is expired? Hell no. That's why a process exists to get it fixed with no penalty. Contact the court, or search on the internet, or read the fine print on your ticket to find out exactly what the process is, and follow it to the letter. You'll get out of it.
Your insurance company not sending your updated card was not the root cause. It's the fact that you didn't check that it was expired, and do something about it before it caused you a problem. Do most people actively check if their insurance card is expired? Hell no. That's why a process exists to get it fixed with no penalty. Contact the court, or search on the internet, or read the fine print on your ticket to find out exactly what the process is, and follow it to the letter. You'll get out of it.
You're coming off as a real *** FYI.
Even if you do nothing wrong, having 5 or 6 cop cars surrounding you is quite intimidating, I've been there, it's scare tactics, then they come up on both sides, peering into your car, giving you a hardass attitude, all to just tell you "Alright, go on your way, you're clear" after asking you a bunch of questions to see if you were doing anything wrong.
He's been waiting for his insurance card, he's paid it, he was driving around, taking a cruise, doing nothing wrong, cops felt like picking on them, they scared them, let them go, he's going to send/show them proof of insurance, story's done, no need to be all patronizing and **** to him.
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AHHHHHHH. For the love of God.
Kid go to court with evidence you paid insurance and your new insurance ticket.
A mod needs to close this thread, its getting very dumb.
Kid go to court with evidence you paid insurance and your new insurance ticket.
A mod needs to close this thread, its getting very dumb.
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I dont condone street racing as well. brush up on your reading skillz. I just never got the whole deal bout it. Maybe cause I ve only seen Fast and Furious ... lol. anywayz. ya streetracing for the rush of doing something illegal is stupid.
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lol, whut!? he insulted me first! I gotta get him back. thats how it works. lol. He spanks me and I have to spank him back.
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I dont condone street racing as well. brush up on your reading skillz. I just never got the whole deal bout it. Maybe cause I ve only seen Fast and Furious ... lol. anywayz. ya streetracing for the rush of doing something illegal is stupid.
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I dont condone street racing as well. brush up on your reading skillz. I just never got the whole deal bout it. Maybe cause I ve only seen Fast and Furious ... lol. anywayz. ya streetracing for the rush of doing something illegal is stupid.
I would have thought such retorts of "he did it frst, i js repli" ended after growing past the age of 10..
Whether you understand the "whole deal bout it" or not, forum rules explicitly state we do not condone street racing, and if you don't understand the "whole deal bout it" and wish to pursue the matter, feel free to hit up Google with search queries about the results of street racing and why it's illegal and dangerous.
Seriously though, where's the lock on this thread?
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You're coming off as a real *** FYI.
Even if you do nothing wrong, having 5 or 6 cop cars surrounding you is quite intimidating, I've been there, it's scare tactics, then they come up on both sides, peering into your car, giving you a hardass attitude, all to just tell you "Alright, go on your way, you're clear" after asking you a bunch of questions to see if you were doing anything wrong.
He's been waiting for his insurance card, he's paid it, he was driving around, taking a cruise, doing nothing wrong, cops felt like picking on them, they scared them, let them go, he's going to send/show them proof of insurance, story's done, no need to be all patronizing and **** to him.![Squint](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/squint.gif)
Even if you do nothing wrong, having 5 or 6 cop cars surrounding you is quite intimidating, I've been there, it's scare tactics, then they come up on both sides, peering into your car, giving you a hardass attitude, all to just tell you "Alright, go on your way, you're clear" after asking you a bunch of questions to see if you were doing anything wrong.
He's been waiting for his insurance card, he's paid it, he was driving around, taking a cruise, doing nothing wrong, cops felt like picking on them, they scared them, let them go, he's going to send/show them proof of insurance, story's done, no need to be all patronizing and **** to him.
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It's the accountability thing, DarkLord.... responsibility. Even after all the very good advice that he was given in this thread by you and the other members, he still said
Originally Posted by Shamusodoofus
I don't believe I am at fault for the ticket I received because my insurance company has failed to issue me a renewed insurance card. I CANNOT prevent a ticket when the ticket is for the failure to be in posession of something I do not have."
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Whether you understand the "whole deal bout it" or not, forum rules explicitly state we do not condone street racing, and if you don't understand the "whole deal bout it" and wish to pursue the matter, feel free to hit up Google with search queries about the results of street racing and why it's illegal and dangerous.
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I've been there too... several times. It's not fun, but I deserved it, and when I got a break, several times, I knew I was lucky and that I should learn something and take it with me.
It's the accountability thing, DarkLord.... responsibility. Even after all the very good advice that he was given in this thread by you and the other members, he still said
Maybe that annoys me too much, but you get the point I'm making.
It's the accountability thing, DarkLord.... responsibility. Even after all the very good advice that he was given in this thread by you and the other members, he still said
Maybe that annoys me too much, but you get the point I'm making.
Well I understand the responsibility, but at the same time you can't exactly say it was his intention to not have his updated insurance card. He said he's insured and has paid for his insurance, as far as the insurance sending him the updated insurance on time or not is not within his ability to change.
i.e. he didn't willingly not receive his insurance card
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But anyways, I think we can just say, lesson learned aye?
It's not so much that as it is you dismissing an illegal act which is both highly dangerous and highly destructive and not just for the person doing the racing. if you lose control, hit another car, or even hit a curb, a building, etc, you're potentially putting someone else's life at risk whether you meant to or not, whether you say the person or not. Just because it seems/looks like there isn't anyone on the street doesn't mean it's 100% safe, it never is, unless it's in a closed, controlled, and monitored area such as a race track.
Going around saying getting your car crushed because you were street racing and having it "hurt your honor" and whatnot is like saying you don't see why murdering someone is a crime. The laws are there for a reason, they may not always be fair, but they are what they are and if you don't want to find yourself on the wrong end of them, then abide by them.
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Well I understand the responsibility, but at the same time you can't exactly say it was his intention to not have his updated insurance card. He said he's insured and has paid for his insurance, as far as the insurance sending him the updated insurance on time or not is not within his ability to change.
i.e. he didn't willingly not receive his insurance card![Stick Out Tongue](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
But anyways, I think we can just say, lesson learned aye?
i.e. he didn't willingly not receive his insurance card
![Stick Out Tongue](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
But anyways, I think we can just say, lesson learned aye?
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Well I understand the responsibility, but at the same time you can't exactly say it was his intention to not have his updated insurance card. He said he's insured and has paid for his insurance, as far as the insurance sending him the updated insurance on time or not is not within his ability to change.
i.e. he didn't willingly not receive his insurance card![Stick Out Tongue](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
But anyways, I think we can just say, lesson learned aye?
i.e. he didn't willingly not receive his insurance card
![Stick Out Tongue](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
But anyways, I think we can just say, lesson learned aye?
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