Marklar

Are you kidding me? Is that in US dollars? Wouldn't it be cheaper to just move to the US and drive one here?

neXib

US dollars yes, but that's 70,000 this summer, which is different in my currency compared to now because of the financial situation in the world, with todays rates it would have been 63-65,000 I guess. But still, yes it would probably be cheaper to live in the US and drive one for a few years :P Most of those 70,000 were government taxes and such.

Razz1

Get the Access Port. No more flooding.

ADVMYTH

DAMN!!! I was about to complain about my expensive HKS filter in another thread, until I read this!

Jphoa

Can anyone else vouch for this?

Soapflake

I used to take extra precaution when driving, but now I drive it like a normal car (except for warming it up before shutting it off).

RX26b

The rest of the world can only laugh as they see the morons in this country voted for someone to implement a system like you socialists have. Let's live it up in our "gas guzzlers" while we can, for who knows how long it'll be before we have a tax structure which'll take away virtually all our freedom in the name of helping others.

neXib

Well, there are times when you appreciate it, like when your mother gets a brain tumour. That operation would cost $130,000 if we were to pay it, and we don't need any insurance for that in my country. There's a reason why UN voted us the top country to live in. But that also invites in leechers.

Also, some people are kind of trying to save the planet But no, there's good things and bad things. Obviously our average salarys and employment rates are better than USA, so I guess 70,000 dollars weren't as expensive for me as it would have been for some of you. But still... I'm voting for a more right-winged government in the next period, to get priority on roads etc. They are probably not right-winged compared to democrats and republicans though

RX26b

Funny you mention brain tumor, because here's an interesting 5 minute clip about a Canadian's ordeal with the same: http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php
It's a sad situation, universal healthcare, and one I hope doesn't come to fruition in this country, especially with this new administration. I shudder to think that for anyone with any kind of goals or ambition- and willing to work hard to achieve something- turning the U.S. into a system mirroring your country is an absolute nightmare (no offense intended).

neXib

None taken. Not like I agree with how everything is run here. Though I do find it a bit funny that this is your biggest worry when you live in the USA. America may be the land of opportunity, but it's also the place you'll fall off the grid if you don't make it. I take comfort in the fact that when my "neighbor" gets worried/angry/annoyed/scared he doesn't have a gun, that's a start for a country that works

RX26b

Turn us overnight into one of the socialist scandinavian states? no. But, the intention of the far loonie left is to do it step by step- some giant, some not so.

As for a turn even more to the left necessary, do we need more morons like these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxMIfannqg

How about Bill Clinton basically acknowledging the "scam" that effectively began under his administration:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTxT4jrIak

Bush's fault? Learn the facts, kid

RX26b

Joe Shmoe owns a gun because it makes for a great deterrent, not because he's looking to aimlessly point it at anyone.

superglue

What was this thread about again?

greg985

Marklar

Yeah, way off topic, I've deleted my posts. Sorry.

rotahitsu

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thinking of getting an 8 now and definitely will be my next car after reading this thread, just have to get rid of my current car first and find a good deal. I saw an 06 shinka with 12k miles for $16.5k but it sold already. i really wanted it but finding a buyer for my car is taking time.

my grandpa had an 84 rx-7 that i used to think was the sweetest thing ever when i was little. he taught me about rotary engines but it was over my head at the time, now i can't get enough.

kersh4w

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i'd love it for the usa to be like scandinavian countries. they are incredibly egalitarian when it comes to gender. (maybe even leaning towards sexist towards guys afaik!)

except paying 70k for an rx8. for that i'd buy a porsche cayman s.

anyone know how much a porsche cayman s is in norway?

neXib

With current conversion rates: $137,607

Start saving

snowflakes

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rx8 is very practical and fun. buy it.

blackenedwings

It's a good car, but a lot of people don't know much about it, hence the bad reputation. They take the worst stories they have heard of RX7s and RX8s and repeat them on message boards as truth. The only thing I've had trouble with in my car is some of the plastic bits in the interior breaking which were replaced under warranty right away.

leadguitarist05

I have a 2004 Touring model with everything but leather, power seats, and Nav, I have 59,200 miles in her, and the only problem I had was I had a bad ignition coil (not a problem, just a weak coil, drove it to the local dealer, they gave me a mazda 6 for the weekend), then I had a clutch pedal bracket break (which is very uncommon), those are the only two issues I've had, both were minor and the car was still driveable... to be honest, I do ALL the no-no's in my car, I take her to 10,000 rpm's within ten seconds of starting her up, I start her up move her ten feet and turn her back off, I've NEVER had her flood, NEVER had any ignition issues, in fact I've never had any problems with it, so far it's more reliable than my aunts $60.000 volvo, and my parents Ford Focus (which has been a nightmare) I used to work for BMW and it's WAY more reliable than those! it's really a great car, I'd definitely buy it again, very reliable, in fact, consumer reports gave it their highest reliability rating...

A lot of people who don't know what they're talking about bash the RX8, the rotary has only a handful of moving parts and a lot less to go wrong than a reciprocating engine... unfortunately the 3rd generation RX7 had an insufficient cooling system which resulted in a lot of problems and I think that reputation has bled over to the RX8 even though it doesn't have those problems... it seems to me that it's a fear of the unknown, people don't really know about rotories so they just assume the worst... just check the oil every other time you fill up on gas, change the oil every 7,500 miles as recommended, and you'll have many many miles of exciting, fun, and reliable driving. Oh, and Mazda has estimated the life expectancy of the current motor to be around 300,000 miles...

RotaryResurrection

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Actually the rx8 has an identical cooling system to the FD. The oil coolers are identical as far as I can tell, and I would not be surprised if the radiator were not identical as well. At least it is very, very similar within a couple of inches. The twin e-fans are similar if not identical. They run the same thermostat temperature. The only difference would be the fan switch-on temperature which is said to be lower with the rx-8. The only other difference is that the rx8 has fewer vacuum hoses and solenoids to fail, and there are no twin turbos or intercooler to take up space and create additional heat. Therefore this engine should in theory run cooler with fewer long-term issues.

In reality, the average FD engine expectancy for a stock setup was 50-75k miles, and honestly many rx8s are not even making it that long.

For a different reason, though.




7500? F- that. Try 2500-3000. Recommendations be damned, trust me on this one. If you follow mazda's recommendation of 5-20 for 7500 miles at a time, you will have a rough looking engine when it has to come apart. That sounds like rotary suicide to me, and I am a rotary engine builder.


Maybe when driven on a circle track or on a dyno? On average renesis seem to be failing in the 50-80k mile range at this point. Not all of them, probably not even half, but probably somewhere in the 25% range is my best guestimate. The engine itself is CAPABLE of doing 300k or more, but IN ITS CURRENT IMPLEMENTATION of mazda's PCM programming, lean OMP mixture, shitty cat life and coils that fail every 25k miles, it is unlikely that most will make it past 125k-150k at best. I didnt say ALL, I said MOST, as in more than 50%.

tubingchamp

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The ones that fail early are due to improper maintenance.

RotaryResurrection

iTrader: (3)

would 7500 mile oil changes be considered poor maintenance? other than topping off oil once between (standard 3k mile) oil changes, and changing the oil, what other maintenance would you say contributes to the demise of an engine with say, 30k miles on it?

blackenedwings

While there are definitely engines failing earlier than they should, the 100k mile warranty does help provide a bit of a safety net for most RX8 owners. In addition running a higher viscosity oil with additional injection and/or pre-mixing seems to help longevity significantly as well. With the stock NA setup for the RX8, the cooling system does not seem to be the weak link from what I understand. Insufficient oil injection especially in the center of the apex seals which was supposedly addressed by the new injectors on the '09 models is blamed for a lot of the troubles.

Not every (or even most) engines that fail are due to improper maintenance, but the bulk at least anecdotally seem to be '04 models and AT versions moreso than the MT versions. Here's hoping my engine is going to be running for a nice long time, even once I start force feeding air into it. Otherwise you are going to be hearing from me RotaryResurrection for a rebuild with ceramic apex seals. :P