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10-07-2003, 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by Chuck Clifford
Yes Ike, I have read way too many of your posts. You posted,
"The RX-8 is a great handling car, but I highly doubt it will outhandle or outrun a S2K, EVO, or STi stock vs. stock given equal drivers on a real race track."
On the track of choice that day in Houston, that all were competing on, it did compete and outrun all that you mention. Again, unless the RX-8 meets your narrow vision of competition it is discredited. IT WON IKE, THERE IS A TROPHY MARK NEXT TO HIS NAME. Somebody other than the great Ike decided to consider this a competition against your better judgement.
You posted, "The RX-8 is a great car and is better suited to autox than the STi and EVO most likely, that does not make it a better handling car."
Yes it does IKE, in this competition, on this day it was a better handling car, better driven, better everything, not just in its class, but in all stock classes.
You posted, "Hell, the M3 doesn't do that great in most autoxs I've seen, does that mean all the cars that beat them regularly are better handling/faster cars?"
YES it does IKE, using your yardstick of measured competition being the sole purpose to own a car, if the M3 never wins and is always beat, it is not the best handling/fastest car.
You posted, "On a side note you seem angry Chuck"
Yes IKE I am angry at your continuous condecending "better than thou" attitude that permiates all of your posts. If we all agree that you are a better driver with a faster car, would you go away? NO. You attack everything good about the RX-8, like you have been hired by Subi to discredit and deter potential RX-8 buyers away from this fantastic (IMO) car. Yes, there are people who come to this site to learn from owners the good and not so good things about this car. You spout a lot of opinion about the RX-8 for a guy who took a ten minute test drive.
So yes IKE I did read (and did not agree with) another of your post. RANT OVER!
Yes Ike, I have read way too many of your posts. You posted,
"The RX-8 is a great handling car, but I highly doubt it will outhandle or outrun a S2K, EVO, or STi stock vs. stock given equal drivers on a real race track."
On the track of choice that day in Houston, that all were competing on, it did compete and outrun all that you mention. Again, unless the RX-8 meets your narrow vision of competition it is discredited. IT WON IKE, THERE IS A TROPHY MARK NEXT TO HIS NAME. Somebody other than the great Ike decided to consider this a competition against your better judgement.
You posted, "The RX-8 is a great car and is better suited to autox than the STi and EVO most likely, that does not make it a better handling car."
Yes it does IKE, in this competition, on this day it was a better handling car, better driven, better everything, not just in its class, but in all stock classes.
You posted, "Hell, the M3 doesn't do that great in most autoxs I've seen, does that mean all the cars that beat them regularly are better handling/faster cars?"
YES it does IKE, using your yardstick of measured competition being the sole purpose to own a car, if the M3 never wins and is always beat, it is not the best handling/fastest car.
You posted, "On a side note you seem angry Chuck"
Yes IKE I am angry at your continuous condecending "better than thou" attitude that permiates all of your posts. If we all agree that you are a better driver with a faster car, would you go away? NO. You attack everything good about the RX-8, like you have been hired by Subi to discredit and deter potential RX-8 buyers away from this fantastic (IMO) car. Yes, there are people who come to this site to learn from owners the good and not so good things about this car. You spout a lot of opinion about the RX-8 for a guy who took a ten minute test drive.
So yes IKE I did read (and did not agree with) another of your post. RANT OVER!
Ok so the RX-8 handles better than the S2K, EVO, STi, and handles better than and is faster than the M3. Furthermore a tight twisty roadcourse set-up in a parking lot is a real racetrack. Also when I say equal drivers it means nothing to you, and when the RX-8 wins it's the car and had nothing to do with the drivers skill.
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10-07-2003, 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by RussellP
STi really was an joke in that auto-x.
STi really was an joke in that auto-x.
10-07-2003, 11:16 PM
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IKE, did you read my post:
"Yes it does IKE, in this competition, on this day it was a better handling car, better driven, better everything, not just in its class, but in all stock classes."
There are no two drivers exactly alike, so I guess thats your Catch 22 to every race argument.
Enough said, I made my point, you can not, and will not conceed anything, even when presented with the proof.
"Yes it does IKE, in this competition, on this day it was a better handling car, better driven, better everything, not just in its class, but in all stock classes."
There are no two drivers exactly alike, so I guess thats your Catch 22 to every race argument.
Enough said, I made my point, you can not, and will not conceed anything, even when presented with the proof.
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