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Old 08-20-2002 | 09:22 PM
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New info in UK magazine.

Lower powered RX-8 to come later says UK magazine... Also gives release date as late june, and pricing.

http://www.whatcar.com/news/searchst...rue&modelflag=

Can't find it at the moment but there was another article stating that there will be a 350Bhp turbo model after that... will post it when I find it.

If anyone can confirm or deny this info, it would be interesting.
Old 08-20-2002 | 09:25 PM
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Darnit... I was hoping for some more info, like a more solid 0-60 time
Old 08-20-2002 | 09:35 PM
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You're just fighting a paper war... you're unlikley to be able to achieve the stated 0-60 time ANYWAY... and it's been narrowed down to within 0.5 seconds... I'm sure that what options you take will affect it by that much anyway.

If you really want to know what you can beat, you should be asking how it handles... unless you're just dragging, and how much skill does that involve?
Old 08-20-2002 | 10:25 PM
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Originally posted by BlueAdept
You're just fighting a paper war... you're unlikley to be able to achieve the stated 0-60 time ANYWAY... and it's been narrowed down to within 0.5 seconds... I'm sure that what options you take will affect it by that much anyway.

If you really want to know what you can beat, you should be asking how it handles... unless you're just dragging, and how much skill does that involve?
No, just to shut up people that I know that are buying the G35 Coupe and stuff Aside from that, I really could care less.

The RX-8 is my car because of style, rotary, and handling (without a doubt will be great).
Old 08-21-2002 | 07:48 AM
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What's with the 192 hp version???

I was aware of a potential 192 hp version, but recon'd that is was slated for the automatic - reasoning being that the high RPM are required to make power on this rotary, and autos can't handle as high of an RPM as manuals. Hence, a rev-limiter forced autos to be only 192 hp. But if the 192 hp is released first (as the mag stated) wouldn't that be a little unusual for a sporty model to have an auto release first (although G35 sedan did so in Canada)?

I doubted that 192 will represent a base version b/c the FD was released with the same powerplant regardless of trim. Besides, 250 hp isn't exactly an earth-shattering number now-a-days, 192 hp is almost down-right economy oriented for a vehicle clearly not in that class.

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Old 08-21-2002 | 08:05 AM
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Originally posted by Hercules

No, just to shut up people that I know that are buying the G35 Coupe and stuff Aside from that, I really could care less.

The RX-8 is my car because of style, rotary, and handling (without a doubt will be great).
Tell them they are buying a coupe that is hundreds of pounds heavier, and that you'll see them at the autocross...
Old 08-21-2002 | 08:06 AM
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Re: What's with the 192 hp version???

Originally posted by FritzMan
I was aware of a potential 192 hp version, but recon'd that is was slated for the automatic - reasoning being that the high RPM are required to make power on this rotary, and autos can't handle as high of an RPM as manuals. Hence, a rev-limiter forced autos to be only 192 hp. But if the 192 hp is released first (as the mag stated) wouldn't that be a little unusual for a sporty model to have an auto release first (although G35 sedan did so in Canada)?


I suspect that this might be a non-rotary version. It's an option, and if it sells to a different market then it might not be a really bad option...

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Old 08-21-2002 | 08:11 AM
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This 192 HP version might be euro only, to deal with the higher gas prices over there. North America might not even have it as an option. If it does make it over here, it could be in the low $30's canadian, and I'd seriously consider it, especially if it came with fewer weight-adding options and a big price drop.

Time will tell I guess.
Old 08-21-2002 | 08:24 AM
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Hey,

It said the lower power version will come LATER.

Also, fuel prices are higher, but lots of cars here are more powerful than US versions (Evo FQ300)
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Hey,

It said the lower power version will come LATER.

Also, fuel prices are higher, but lots of cars here are more powerful than US versions (Evo FQ300)
Thats true, but you've also got a lot of lower powered versions of cars (and in general more diesel options). For example, you can still get the MX-5 with the 1.6L.

I guess you've got a larger range of engine options available to you. Here, most cars come with 1 or 2 engine choices tops.
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Re: Re: What's with the 192 hp version???

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I suspect that this might be a non-rotary version. It's an option, and if it sells to a different market then it might not be a really bad option...

Sean
I don't think the engine bay could accomodate a piston engine large enough to make 192 HP. Rotaries are very compact, and they built the car around it (note how sloping the hood is and how short the front of the car is).
Old 08-21-2002 | 08:55 AM
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The rotary engine also contributes to the cars weight distribution, and actually also to the size of the cabin.
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just dragging?

this post is just to stand up for the skill involved in drag racing. im not trying to claim that the 8 or any other car is better for dragging than any other car. but clearly, drag racing is a pretty effective way to not only see whose engine has the most grunt, but also see which driver is more in tune with his car. drag racing is a precision sport. i ackowledge that dragging isnt as popular in the UK where Blue Adept is from as it is in the US where i am from. but that doesnt mean the sport doesnt require any skill. its a lot less forgiving to inacurate timing than many other motor sports. just because mortal kombat is classified as a high-speed fighting game and not a strategy game doesnt mean theres not tons of strategy involved in playing it.

k, ill get off my soap box now.

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I don't disagree... infact you've made my point for me, or at least in part!

Most drivers won't get close to the stated 0-60 so you're driving is going to make more difference than the 0.5 seconds that we're argueing over!
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Actually there has been romours on this board about a 190bhp version of the Renesis... perhaps for the Miata later... So I think this is just more info on that front.
Old 08-21-2002 | 10:14 AM
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You won't see a rotary in a Miata...at least not for a long time. This issue has been extensively discussed on miata.net.
Old 08-21-2002 | 11:11 PM
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You won't see a rotary in a Miata...at least not for a long time. This issue has been extensively discussed on miata.net.
Why not?

I see no technical reason why Mazda would not do it.
Old 08-21-2002 | 11:36 PM
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I know there was talk about a piston engine going in the RX-8, and I hope that doesn't happen. Mazda has always only used rotarys in their RX (Rotary Car #) branded vehicles. I don't think it will happen, but if Mazda put a piston in the RX I think it would be a huge mistake.
Old 08-22-2002 | 08:02 AM
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There are a few reasons people think that the Miata won't have a rotary any time soon. Bob Hall is the generally acknowledged "father" of the Miata, and he's said that it's not going to happen any time soon. That doesn't explain why it won't happen, but does explain why there is extreme skepticism that it will happen. The reasons that I think Mazda won't do it is that they've been incredibly successful so far with an I4, the plans for the NC Miata are rumored to be well underway and too far along to change to the rotary, and to keep the Miata from competing with the RX-8/7 convertibles.
If Mazda came out with a detuned RENESIS that made 200 bhp in a 2300 lb. Miata, what's the point of spending nearly twice as much for an RX-7 convertible? The Miata is already one of the best handling cars available, and if it did 0-60 in 5.0 seconds, there's no reason to step up. Since Mazda is adamant that they will keep the weight down in the Miata and continue to keep it affordable, I just can't see the business case for a rotary Miata that wouldn't hurt the sales of their other cars.

I think that the talk of a Miata based on the RX-8 platform should be interpreted as indicating that there will be a convertible RX-8/7, not a rotary Miata.

The Miata is just about the only thing Mazda has had going for it since the RX-7 left. It has one of the most fanatical followings of any modern car. I would think that Mazda would be extremely conservative in anything they do to it.
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