DarkBrew

Looks accurate to me!

Funny that our other vehicle, a 2001 3.3l Caravan, has the same rating.

brillo

I get 16/17 city 24/25 hwy, so i guess thats not to far off where it counts

BoosTED

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Exactly what I was thinking.



My wife's Grand Prix with the V8 one ups the 8 on average but the same city mileage.

She needs to learn stick so she can feel the difference driving the 8. Night and day difference even though she has the performance GXP it is heavy and feels heavy driving it.

Brettus

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cough cough splutter - is this the new MPG thread ?

BoosTED

iTrader: (2)

New and improved accurate numbers from the EPA so people don't get discouraged when they can't get the numbers that were advertised.

Over the years I have always known to deduct at least two from the numbers posted.



Do you think car sellers will go back and implement the new estimates on used cars?

Be really sad if someone was looking at new cars and saw the older cars estimated higher... and bought the older thinking it actually got better mileage.

CarAndDriver

Seems to be more accurate.

BillyPilgrim

Not only does this seem more accurate, it actually helps the 8... look up some comparable cars... I really don't feel too bad about getting 2 mpg less than an S2000, or 3 mpg less than a V6 Accord... Wanna know who this really hurts? Look up how much all the Hondas have dropped.

Fanman

Well, they came out with the new MPG ratings for cars that is supposed to reflect more realistic of everyday driving today. In general every car dropped, with a 2004 manual RX8 (what I have going from 18/24 (20 combined) to 16/22 (18 combined). Do you think the new MPG is realistic with what you have gotten from your 8 ?

MPG

Ike

Doesn't that mean that RX-8s will now be subject to a $2600 gas guzzler tax? If that's the case the RX-8 and rotary are done unless Mazda can do something about fuel efficiency.

Ike

On another note, I can't think of a single car subject to the gas guzzler tax that is Japanese. In fact the only relatively inexpensive car I can think of that got hit with it was the GTO.

Fanman

Here is what is is supposed to be :

at least 22.5 No tax
at least 21.5, but less than 22.5 $1000
at least 20.5, but less than 21.5 $1300
at least 19.5, but less than 20.5 $1700
at least 18.5, but less than 19.5 $2100
at least 17.5, but less than 18.5 $2600
at least 16.5, but less than 17.5 $3000
at least 15.5, but less than 16.5 $3700
at least 14.5, but less than 15.5 $4500
at least 13.5, but less than 14.5 $5400
at least 12.5, but less than 13.5 $6400
less than 12.5 $7700

Here is the standard. But even under the old standard we were supposed to get a tax, wonder how Mazda skirted around that. I wonder with the new standards how they are going to apply the GG Tax, as a ton of vehicles just fell under these criteria.

For example :

2007 Nissan 350 Z 18/25 (20 combined)
2007 Honda S2000 18/24 (20 combined)
2007 Ford Mustang GT 15/23 (18 combined)
2006 Mitsubishi Evo 16/22 (18 combined)

pdxhak

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16/22 seem right to me.

RX8Maine

+1

j67345

That's about what I get. Glad I got mine before getting whacked with that tax!

nycgps

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I guess alot of companies going to cry foul and fight with the government and EPA over these new ratings, cuz its going to nuke some of their sales.

kartweb

I like the new ratings as they reflect a more realistic set of results. I hope they apply the gas guzzler taxes to trucks as well.

The downside is it will slow down some new car sales, but it will also force the automakers to get off their butts and increase fuel efficiency. It will probably fit the sales of the over indulgence of car/truck buyers as well. Unfortunately it doesn't do any favors for the future of rotaries unless Mazda has a few aces up their sleeves for the next gen - which it sounds like they do.

Interestingly, the new RX8 mileage seems to be on the money for mine. The CX7 and 5 mileages are a bit lower then what we actually see, especially the 5. My wife's 5 gets 27-28 MPG at 80-85 MPH average through west Texas fully loaded down, yet they only give it 25. City traffic (she calls it 1st-2nd) on the clogged US 75 in Dallas yields 23. The CX7 gets exactly what the old rating shows and I'm not the easiest driver on it.

alamike

The equation that is used for your table is:
(1/(.495/City MPG + .351/Highway MPG)) + .15

If you do the math, it will explain how it skirted by.

Clavius

haha I hate you...
8.5/16
For me thankfully they dont ask me my real world milage so I hope I dont get any extra taxes 'cause of this lol.

therm8

Hybrids took a big hit. Those are definately more realistic now.

I'm a 17/23 guy (not trying for economy, I can get 18/26 if I really want to), so almost spot on for my everyday driving.

New Yorker

So… if the 8's original MPG numbers just barely avoided the guzzler tax, was that just dumb luck? Or did Mazda bend over backwards to get the numbers just high enough to avoid us having to pay the tax? Cause $1000 buys a lot of gas.

Separately, I would think the gas guzzler calculation would be adjusted to reflect the revised MPG ratings, no? Or at least that existing models like the 8 would be "grandfathered" so that the penalty only applies to new models—if that makes any sense.

kalix

Since when have they had a Gas Guzzler Tax? And is this taxed when you buy the car? This is mind boggling

Icemark

gas guzzler is also based on weight, not just mileage.

For example the FC (2nd gen RX-7) was going to have gas guzzler for weight on cars over 3000 lbs while getting 17/24 until they put the FC on a major diet. Once the car dropped under 2800 on most models (due to things like aluminum hoods, aluminum suspension arms, uber liecht german custom jack and alloy spare tires) they avoided the gas guzzler.

That was also why the FC3C was not available in the USA with an automatic until the feds changed the weight limits in 89, because the auto tranny would have put it over the weight limit on earlier models.

Icemark

Yep, flat tax built onto the window sticker.

Go look at a new BMW, they all list gas guzzler tax under the options on the window sticker... even if there is no tax. If they have a car (like a 3 series) that doesn't have the tax they just put $0 in the cost column for it.

CarAndDriver

Certainly closer to reality with my 8 post flash. Before the flash, I got higher than the new EPA.

DarkBrew

This thread should be merged with https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...&highlight=MPG