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Old 11-06-2002 | 01:44 PM
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Thumbs up New RX-8 Preview Article!

Check out http://www.autoexpress.co.uk ..... The article begins: The waiting is finally over... After four years of teasing us with concepts such as the RX-01 and the RX-Evolve, Mazda has let Auto Express behind the wheel of its sensational RX-8.
Old 11-06-2002 | 02:03 PM
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Interesting Test Drive

These definitely look like production photos, and helps clarify why some RHD pics have popped up (unusually on Autobild.de's site).

Anyway, I'm a bit bummed to hear about the body roll, but that's just one guy's opinion. I am anxious to hear how much HP we'll definitely be getting as compared to the Euro model, but not as anxious as I am to drive one!

Thanks for the link!

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Old 11-06-2002 | 02:12 PM
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Seems a so-so review.

The R&T review on the preproduction model had more compliments... but I take the good with the bad.
Old 11-06-2002 | 02:14 PM
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Old 11-06-2002 | 02:18 PM
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One thing I noticed in this picture:


Is that the handbrake is now on the driver's side instead of the opposite side of the gearshifter.

Happy happy! :D
Old 11-06-2002 | 02:35 PM
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i thought there were buttons on both sides of the steering wheel? also what are the buttons just inside the door on the dash that i have circled in yellow? the left most one appears to have a key symbol on it, maybe.
Old 11-06-2002 | 02:40 PM
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The buttons, if I had to guess, are for Traction Control and DSC.

The buttons on the steering wheel would be for cruise control, which was perhaps not available on that car.
Old 11-06-2002 | 02:45 PM
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Since AutoExpress has a time-out for guests, I have copied the entire article:

The waiting is finally over... After four years of teasing us with concepts such as the RX-01 and the RX-Evolve, Mazda has let Auto Express behind the wheel of its sensational RX-8. As we turn the ignition key and hear the sewing machine whirr of its hi-tech engine, our patience certainly seems to have paid off.

Likely to cost only £22,000 when it goes on sale in April next year, the svelte newcomer is aimed at the Audi TT and BMW 3-Series Coupé. Lined up against these challengers - and in a world where few cars are unique and even the most luxurious share components with other vehicles - the RX-8 is a shameless novelty. From its rotary engine to its pillar-less four-door structure, this car is like nothing else on the road. The RX-8's outside app-earance is striking, although not as dramatic as the show cars'. Lost in the transition to the production version are flush-fitting door handles and strip headlamps. Also, the rear now looks like that of a conventional saloon.

In the cabin, the original's luscious leather seats have been swapped for those more attuned to US tastes, as the manufacturer hopes to sell a third of its annual 40,000 production there. Aluminium trim panels have replaced the prototype's spars, but other than that it's mostly as seen at the Tokyo Motor Show three years ago. When approaching the newcomer, it's the rear-hinged back doors that create the most interest. These 'suicide doors' have been seen making a comeback recently at motor shows, but until now have not featured on a production car destined for the UK.

For safety reasons, the rear doors will not open before the fronts. Though not practical, this improves the body's resistance to side impacts. Once swung wide they reveal two cramped but supportive seats, which are just big enough for two adults. Getting in is tricky, but easier with the front seats tilted forward. Despite there being no B-pillar, it's claimed that integral crash beams, locking pins and latches, plus side and curtain airbags, make the car as safe as a similarly sized saloon. From the driver's seat, the cabin looks similar to the Mazda 6 four-door's and is well laid out with clear instruments and plenty of storage space. The choice of materials - as with the easily scratched black lacquer - is a little too glitzy. But Mazda has paid attention to the ergo-nomics, and the driving position is good.

Spin the starter and the engine whirrs, blip the throttle and the rev counter flips up with no increase in engine noise, only a change in pitch. This is an extraordinary car to drive, with a seamless performance, but not a huge amount of muscle - so you have to use all 9,000rpm. The action isn't anything like that of the old, sequentially turbocharged RX-7, but the RX-8 is still very fast. The 237bhp-engined version tops out at around 155mph, and sprints from 0-60mph in six seconds. Fuel consumption is not so encouraging, though, at 22mpg. A less powerful 189bhp version is also available. It's slower, of course, and needs revving to get the most out of it.

On winding roads, body roll is too pronounced for this Mazda to be an out-and-out sports car. However, the ride is comfortable, grip phenomenal and the handling a driver's delight for what is, after all, a fast tourer. And when you really push it hard, the traction control allows some progressive, tail-out motoring before taking over.

Add accurate electronically assisted steering with a good weight and feedback, plus powerful and sensitive disc brakes, and you have the recipe for cross-country thrills. Mazda really has created a genuine alternative to the German coupés in this sector. John Scott
Old 11-06-2002 | 02:52 PM
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The Road and Track editor Sam Mitani said this MANY months ago...

the steering felt precise and the car behaved predictably through all types of corners with minimal body roll.


I don't see how they went from a pre-production model with minimal body roll to a near production model and having too much.

I guess time will tell..
Old 11-06-2002 | 02:57 PM
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237 hp

Handbrake: I'm surprised they moved it closer to the driver. It looks like it would get in the way, since the shape of the handle protrudes up even when the brake is fully down.
Old 11-06-2002 | 03:09 PM
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How close is this to production?

I really like the black/red seats and door inserts, this will look sooo sweet on a black or silver car. Putting red on the steering wheel is too much though, and it would easily get dirty and look like crap after a few thousand miles.

The stereo is one of those shitty proprietary shapes like in Fords, I hope the production model gets a standard sized unit that I can upgrade as I see fit.

They still have those ugly Saab wheels. If I wanted Saab wheels, I'd go out and buy a 9-3...

And for crissake Mazda, loose the f*cking Altezzas! This car isn't being marketed to 15-year-old ricers after all!
Old 11-06-2002 | 03:13 PM
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Sounds like fuel economy took a hit also," Fuel consumption is not so encouraging, though, at 22mpg"
Old 11-06-2002 | 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by Hercules
One thing I noticed in this picture:

Is that the handbrake is now on the driver's side instead of the opposite side of the gearshifter.
The Handbrake is on the left side.. it should be in that side of the car on both LRD and RHD...
Old 11-06-2002 | 03:32 PM
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And for crissake Mazda, loose the f*cking Altezzas! This car isn't being marketed to 15-year-old ricers after all!
If your talking about the lights I don't think the 8 should lose them. What does everyone else think?
Old 11-06-2002 | 03:35 PM
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This doesn't sound like the car I was expecting.
Old 11-06-2002 | 03:44 PM
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It's good to have some new news. Happy to see:

Curtain airbags
Power drivers seat (can't find memory buttons however)
22mpg (I assume US gallons, if it's UK gallons that means 18.3mpg in US terms)
Aluminium pedals and trim
Two-tone leather interior
Nice gauges - seems that the digital speedo is a reality


But what is the nonsense about "the original's luscious leather seats have been swapped for those more attuned to US tastes" - does that mean the US doesn't like luscious leather?

Also the rear has "cramped but supportive seats, which are just big enough for two adults" - I thought they were meant to be decent sized seats.

Finally I assume the 237hp is European hp, which equals about 240hp in the USA (my conversion could be wrong) - the US RX-8 can still be 250hp as promised.

And as someone who owns an "Altezza" I agree that the time for that particular fad has passed, but that will not dissuade me from getting an RX-8 (other things might).

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Old 11-06-2002 | 03:53 PM
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say it aint so...

237hp???
body roll too pronounced???
no no no no.... this isn't what I want to hear.
I will not hit the panic button yet, but this is not a good sign
Old 11-06-2002 | 03:59 PM
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Hello everyone. I have just come across this forum. I have been looking at the RX-8 and am mightily impressed. As the owner of 2 previous RX-7s, and a current owner of an S2000, I think that the RX-8 will fit right in. Does anyone have any pictures of the rear diffuser? The only direct rear pictures that I have seen are of the RX-Evolv. Thanks, and I am looking forward to future info.
Old 11-06-2002 | 04:00 PM
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So maybe the Brit is a little jaded. The German review was raving about the same "near production" car.

Remember both gave it huge thumbs up.

Hang in there!
Old 11-06-2002 | 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by Mazda man


If your talking about the lights I don't think the 8 should lose them. What does everyone else think?
i like the lights just the way they are! wouldn't change them at all!
Old 11-06-2002 | 04:11 PM
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I dunno about you, but I am panicking. If they release the 237hp car in the review for a price starting at ~$25k, I'll still highly consider it, but if comes in any more expensive, then no.

The mention of too much body roll is of major concern for me. That red steering wheel and shiny plastic on the door is too much flash--it's distracting. No nav is availavle from what I see on the dash.
Old 11-06-2002 | 04:14 PM
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the nave might be out altogether or just coming in a later model. the us mazda6 doesn't seem to be getting it either check mazda usa on that.
Old 11-06-2002 | 05:25 PM
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I'm not worried at this point yet.

Like it was said, the German article gave it rave reviews. Even a VERY OLD article from Road and Track gave it great reviews, and commented on how little body roll there is.

I have never really heard of reviews from Auto Express. Not to say they aren't a good judge of cars, but I don't know enough about them to make an opinion on their biases, as many magazines do have. They have to after all, keep their advertisers. Personally, I'll let the likes of Sport Compact Car, Evo, Car and Driver, Road and Track, and maybe Motortrend to take their reviews of the car.

My guess is that we will be pleasantly suprised. Besides, there is still some time away before the car hits production... so Mazda may still be tweaking and working away before putting this car on the assembly line. This article might address some of the hiccups Mazda has had in their preproduction models and HOPEFULLY, they will fix it.

Otherwise, I'll have to save my money and jump into a 330i manual. G35 doesn't do it for me.

Anyways, I'm not worried right now. The car is more than 6 months away from release and here we are already jumping to conclusions. Calm down folks
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I have been here for months. I think we are missing the important things-----where are the cup holders.
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maybe there like the vw gti.................. the cup holders pop out of the dash its the coolest cup holder realated thing i've ever seen.


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