NEWS FLASH: Most RX-8s will NOT need new engines
08-27-2006, 05:08 PM
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Zoom, this first seem to come to light last year with the engine changes in Vegas
Was it ever determined how many of those cars were using Syn oil? From looking over that thread and this one most used regular Dino oil. I am not wishing to start a syn / dino debate, but I still am not quite sure why Mazda tied hot climates & Syn oil together.
Was it ever determined how many of those cars were using Syn oil? From looking over that thread and this one most used regular Dino oil. I am not wishing to start a syn / dino debate, but I still am not quite sure why Mazda tied hot climates & Syn oil together.
08-27-2006, 05:54 PM
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the resale value has something to do with the demand.
People in N.A always looking for big hp numbers(when they shop for a car)
so its not that suprise to see such low demand in Rx8.
funny thing is those ppl on the way always wonder "how can they 8 go so fast, their HP freaking suck"
heh ....
no more Synth vs Dino debate. Mazda cant tell you(test) which oil is better since theres like 1000000000000000 kinds of Synth oil out there. play safe, just say "we dont know long term effects"
Simple business practice
People in N.A always looking for big hp numbers(when they shop for a car)
so its not that suprise to see such low demand in Rx8.
funny thing is those ppl on the way always wonder "how can they 8 go so fast, their HP freaking suck"
heh ....
no more Synth vs Dino debate. Mazda cant tell you(test) which oil is better since theres like 1000000000000000 kinds of Synth oil out there. play safe, just say "we dont know long term effects"
Simple business practice
08-27-2006, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by zoom44
viking since Toyota has already replaced more engines in the US than Mazda could renesis engines does that mean that Toyota should keep those affected vehicles in limited production? maybe that piston engine isnt ready for the "general " market
I've heard some pretty ridiculous responses in my day, but this one might take the cake, since you are an admin on this website. You chose the wrong argument that makes absolutely no sense. I can't even type a serious response to this because I'd be stating captain obvious, and stir up future offenses to partial RX8 people such as yourself. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt on this one as you saying "I needed to respond and argue this, and I couldn't think of any other way". I'm sorry my post offended you, because there's no other reason you'd type a losing argument rebuttle to me that I could absolutely rip apart, and has no validity whatsoever. I had a feeling my opionated post was gonna offend someone, but I never expected this. Sorry I posted it, and upset you. I'm out of this thread now.
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08-27-2006, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by two rotors
Actually they are 3-way cats using platinum,rhodium and palladium.Presumably that's why they are expensive.
08-27-2006, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by wantan8
I live in Dallas, where its 100-110 everyday mid to late summer. If I bought an 8, would I have to stick it in a fricken ice chest? Does anyone own an 8 in ridiculously hot weather and Not had these problems?
In the morning when it's 80° or so the car feels alive. In the afternoons when it's 105° the car feels tired. Not just the 8. The CX7, even the Thunderbird. For that amtter even my shifter kart did the same thing.
Relative Air Density. RAD seems to affect the Renesis about the same as a 2 stroke but much less then a 4 stroke. Even the CX7 with a turbo gets lazy in the heat. Thats normal.
BTW this accounts for about 90% of the miles I drive and I get between 20-22 MPG FWIW. More bursts, less miles per tankfull. Whoodathunkit?
08-27-2006, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by wantan8
That seems a little unbelievable. That would mean an 8 wouldn't be sold in the southern half of the USA. You probably have a lemon.
Still, I keep hearing over and over about heat affecting the rotary. I live in Dallas, where its 100-110 everyday mid to late summer. If I bought an 8, would I have to stick it in a fricken ice chest? Does anyone own an 8 in ridiculously hot weather and Not had these problems?
Still, I keep hearing over and over about heat affecting the rotary. I live in Dallas, where its 100-110 everyday mid to late summer. If I bought an 8, would I have to stick it in a fricken ice chest? Does anyone own an 8 in ridiculously hot weather and Not had these problems?
I spoke to Mazda in Henderson, Nevada, and they told me the powerloss was a common problem in places that reach 100+ degrees, and Mazda engineers were working on a fix. They told me I was lucky: some RX-8's just quit at 110 degrees.
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08-27-2006, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by New Yorker
Reading the recall info from Mazda, while nearly every RX-8 is being recalled and will receive new ECU programming, only owners who have already experienced power loss and idling problems will even be tested for possible engine replacement. I would think that's a very small percentage of RX-8 owners.
But looking at press releases like those in "Automotive News", for example…
RX-8 engine problems go round and round
Dealing with issues in a timely, forthright and equitable manner is a good way to bond with customers. That's why the much-anticipated recall of Mazda RX-8s to replace faulty rotary engines will be a mixed bag for dealers and owners.
Mazda expects to recall RX-8s
After suffering a black eye from disclosing that it won't count RX-8 owners' opinions in its internal customer-satisfaction scores, Mazda says it may have to replace the engines in many of its flagship sports cars.
…any rational person would come away thinking the RX-8 has a serious engine problem requiring engine replacements in most of the cars. That's simply not true! I hope Mazda's P.R. people find a way to get "the truth" out without looking defensive or drawing even more negative attention to the issue. Maybe they could get Automotive News and other news sources to issue a new press release something like this (forgive me—I'm not a P.R. writer):
Update: Most RX-8's will not need new engines
Just my 2¢.
But looking at press releases like those in "Automotive News", for example…
RX-8 engine problems go round and round
Dealing with issues in a timely, forthright and equitable manner is a good way to bond with customers. That's why the much-anticipated recall of Mazda RX-8s to replace faulty rotary engines will be a mixed bag for dealers and owners.
Mazda expects to recall RX-8s
After suffering a black eye from disclosing that it won't count RX-8 owners' opinions in its internal customer-satisfaction scores, Mazda says it may have to replace the engines in many of its flagship sports cars.
…any rational person would come away thinking the RX-8 has a serious engine problem requiring engine replacements in most of the cars. That's simply not true! I hope Mazda's P.R. people find a way to get "the truth" out without looking defensive or drawing even more negative attention to the issue. Maybe they could get Automotive News and other news sources to issue a new press release something like this (forgive me—I'm not a P.R. writer):
Update: Most RX-8's will not need new engines
Just my 2¢.
08-27-2006, 07:48 PM
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What pointy ears?
Originally Posted by wantan8
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Still, I keep hearing over and over about heat affecting the rotary. I live in Dallas, where its 100-110 everyday mid to late summer. If I bought an 8, would I have to stick it in a fricken ice chest? Does anyone own an 8 in ridiculously hot weather and Not had these problems?
Still, I keep hearing over and over about heat affecting the rotary. I live in Dallas, where its 100-110 everyday mid to late summer. If I bought an 8, would I have to stick it in a fricken ice chest? Does anyone own an 8 in ridiculously hot weather and Not had these problems?
I did switch to 5W-30 motor oil on my first oil change, though --- I thought the lower viscosity oil that Mazda recommends wasn't appropriate for my driving environment.
08-28-2006, 04:06 AM
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Bunch of f%^#ing cry babies on here. It's a first generation $30k sports car with a rotary engine. If you wanted perfect reliability you should have bought a Corrola or Civic. The # of cars that are gonna need a replacement is gonna be a handfull. And Mazda is FIXING THEM. As for the bad press killing the 8's mass market appeal. LOL Get serious remember the failure of the "first" second gen rx-7 turbo? Now that was a real disaster, and the second gen NA's and turbo II's still went on to be one of the best selling sports cars ever. As for the whole car not holding it's value thats another bunch of BS. Some of you people really live in a dream world. The 8 is a mass market car not a limited production or anything it's residuals are on par with all the other cars in its class.
Sorry about the rant but some of you guys really make me mad putting down an awesome car because you made the wrong choice and bought it when it didnt suit you.
Sorry about the rant but some of you guys really make me mad putting down an awesome car because you made the wrong choice and bought it when it didnt suit you.
08-28-2006, 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by TKE
Bunch of f%^#ing cry babies on here. It's a first generation $30k sports car with a rotary engine. If you wanted perfect reliability you should have bought a Corrola or Civic. The # of cars that are gonna need a replacement is gonna be a handfull. And Mazda is FIXING THEM. As for the bad press killing the 8's mass market appeal. LOL Get serious remember the failure of the "first" second gen rx-7 turbo? Now that was a real disaster, and the second gen NA's and turbo II's still went on to be one of the best selling sports cars ever. As for the whole car not holding it's value thats another bunch of BS. Some of you people really live in a dream world. The 8 is a mass market car not a limited production or anything it's residuals are on par with all the other cars in its class.
Sorry about the rant but some of you guys really make me mad putting down an awesome car because you made the wrong choice and bought it when it didnt suit you.
Sorry about the rant but some of you guys really make me mad putting down an awesome car because you made the wrong choice and bought it when it didnt suit you.
Did they have Engine recalls like this?
We are not putting the car down. We are concerned OWNERS.
08-28-2006, 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by DOMINION
Do you have any f%^#ing idea what the Toyota Supra Nissan Skyline or RX-7 sold for?
Did they have Engine recalls like this?
We are not putting the car down. We are concerned OWNERS.
Did they have Engine recalls like this?
We are not putting the car down. We are concerned OWNERS.
What does the price of supras, skylines, and sevens have to do with anything?
They did cost a **** load more money than the 8 does, and they do have there own problems.
08-28-2006, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by rodmeister
There must be more than one factor working here. It's the heat plus something else.
I live @ 600ft and have no problems with power loss above 100 degrees.
In July I drove through the Texas panhandle and I experienced power loss
at an indicated temperature of 105 and an elevation of ~3500 feet.
Once the sun went down and the temperature dropped I had no power
problems going through the southern Colorado mountains at 7000+ elevation.
08-28-2006, 09:17 AM
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Anyone recall (no pun intended) the "sludge" issue w/ Toyota V-6's?
;-)
I still have my letter from Toyota about it...
It would be interesting to see what percentage of engines have / will be replaced.
;-)
I still have my letter from Toyota about it...
It would be interesting to see what percentage of engines have / will be replaced.
08-28-2006, 10:34 AM
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Still, I keep hearing over and over about heat affecting the rotary. I live in Dallas, where its 100-110 everyday mid to late summer. If I bought an 8, would I have to stick it in a fricken ice chest? Does anyone own an 8 in ridiculously hot weather and Not had these problems?
My car's manufacture date is Sept. 28, 2005, for what it's worth, and I'm using Valvoline 5w20.
08-28-2006, 11:40 AM
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sorry i pissed off Viking. sometimes i take a point and argue the extreme end of it just to furthur a discussion. its a debate tactic i learned a long time ago. wish you would have answered
08-28-2006, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by expo1
Zoom, this first seem to come to light last year with the engine changes in Vegas
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...&highlight=mop
and Mazdaspeedgirls original thread from April 05
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...hlight=lubbock
08-28-2006, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DOMINION
Do you have any f%^#ing idea what the Toyota Supra Nissan Skyline or RX-7 sold for?
Did they have Engine recalls like this?
We are not putting the car down. We are concerned OWNERS.
Did they have Engine recalls like this?
We are not putting the car down. We are concerned OWNERS.
08-28-2006, 05:05 PM
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I don't buy Kool-Aid
Turbo is one thing N/A is another.
http://www.importtuner.com/features/...zda_rx_7_kits/
http://www.importtuner.com/features/...zda_rx_7_kits/
Isami Amemiya
2NR: Does the RX-8 have tuning potential, or is it true the Renesis engine is untunable?
RE: It's a tough engine to work on because it's fairly new. Look at the older 13B engines--we're still learning new things about them. The FD3S engine (13Brew) is still popular and produces far more horsepower when properly tuned.
2NR: Does the RX-8 have tuning potential, or is it true the Renesis engine is untunable?
RE: It's a tough engine to work on because it's fairly new. Look at the older 13B engines--we're still learning new things about them. The FD3S engine (13Brew) is still popular and produces far more horsepower when properly tuned.
08-28-2006, 05:25 PM
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Also in the Dallas / Plano area in 100+ degrees for 40+ days this year. Have had no power loss whatsoever. Last year I drove around in KS for a week also in 100+ degrees, 9-10 hours per day on average, mostly highway, often over 90 (still remember thank to my first RX-8 ticket at 103mph). No power loss experience. One of the lucky ones? Rather, not one of the unfortunate ones.
Despite all this, I have to admit, I would feel more comfortable at least getting the test done. Bad articles make you think too much - a neg test result would be relaxing. Just like when you go to the doctor just to make sure...
q: Is this something that supposedly can start happening at any point or did those of you with the problems start experiencing it after the first few K miles? If the latter, why is Mazda giving the warranty extension to everyone?
Early 2005 M/T model w/14K using Mazda's own 5W-20 (since ONLY the owner's manual, a purchase follow-up letter from Mazda, my sales guy, the mechanic and 200+ press & internet articles draw my attention to NOT to use synth)
Despite all this, I have to admit, I would feel more comfortable at least getting the test done. Bad articles make you think too much - a neg test result would be relaxing. Just like when you go to the doctor just to make sure...
q: Is this something that supposedly can start happening at any point or did those of you with the problems start experiencing it after the first few K miles? If the latter, why is Mazda giving the warranty extension to everyone?
Early 2005 M/T model w/14K using Mazda's own 5W-20 (since ONLY the owner's manual, a purchase follow-up letter from Mazda, my sales guy, the mechanic and 200+ press & internet articles draw my attention to NOT to use synth)
08-28-2006, 09:33 PM
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I don't own an 8 but been around rotaries for quite sometimes.
This news about 8 engines being recalled makes me wonder if Mazda/Ford will ever produce another Rotary based cars in the future. I know when Mazda designed this new renesis engine, they had more reliability in mind than power. IF they have to replace 10+% of the cars out there, its going to be a high financial hit to the company and I dont forsee any large corporations willing to take this kind of hit in the future.. Just look at the 3rd gen rx7.... imported for 3 years and stopped importing because lack of sales and issues with the engine and turbo system.
I only hope that Mazda/Ford will continue development of rotary power cars...
This news about 8 engines being recalled makes me wonder if Mazda/Ford will ever produce another Rotary based cars in the future. I know when Mazda designed this new renesis engine, they had more reliability in mind than power. IF they have to replace 10+% of the cars out there, its going to be a high financial hit to the company and I dont forsee any large corporations willing to take this kind of hit in the future.. Just look at the 3rd gen rx7.... imported for 3 years and stopped importing because lack of sales and issues with the engine and turbo system.
I only hope that Mazda/Ford will continue development of rotary power cars...
08-28-2006, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Herblenny
I don't own an 8 but been around rotaries for quite sometimes.
This news about 8 engines being recalled makes me wonder if Mazda/Ford will ever produce another Rotary based cars in the future. I know when Mazda designed this new renesis engine, they had more reliability in mind than power. IF they have to replace 10+% of the cars out there, its going to be a high financial hit to the company and I dont forsee any large corporations willing to take this kind of hit in the future.. Just look at the 3rd gen rx7.... imported for 3 years and stopped importing because lack of sales and issues with the engine and turbo system.
I only hope that Mazda/Ford will continue development of rotary power cars...
This news about 8 engines being recalled makes me wonder if Mazda/Ford will ever produce another Rotary based cars in the future. I know when Mazda designed this new renesis engine, they had more reliability in mind than power. IF they have to replace 10+% of the cars out there, its going to be a high financial hit to the company and I dont forsee any large corporations willing to take this kind of hit in the future.. Just look at the 3rd gen rx7.... imported for 3 years and stopped importing because lack of sales and issues with the engine and turbo system.
I only hope that Mazda/Ford will continue development of rotary power cars...
3rd gen 7's only lasted 3 years in the states because of their high price and the over saturated high priced sports car market at the time. Lasted into 2000 in big eyed cartoon land.
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