Own an S2000, will the RX-8 disapoint?
05-14-2005, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 124Spider
This I can agree with, with the caveat that once someone has been bitten by the roadster bug, nothing else will do. For those few who don't care much one way or the other about a convertible or about space and comfort, certainly they might consider both (at least until jarred into reality by just how elemental the S2000 is).
05-14-2005, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
well I'm a bit puzzled by it, but on the national autox scene so far this year the fastest stock S2000's have not been keeping pace with the fastest stock RX-8's
One by one, the best S2000 drivers are bailing out, since the S2000 is not the best car in A stock. I know thar Ron Bauer is driving a Porsche 968 in Stock B, and Joe Goeke just put his S2000 up for sale.
For someone like me, the limiting factor is the driver, and the fraction of a second I might gain by going to a C4 is swallowed up by the 3 or 4 seconds that I need to get by learning to drive better. For those already driving their cars at the limit of the car, they look for the best car in the class.
Last year, the best car in Stock B was the S2000, so it had all the best drivers. They kicked the S2000 up to Stock A, where it doesn't appear to be a true contender, so the best drivers aren't driving the S2000 any more. The RX-8 is a contender in Stock B, so some of the best are driving it.
05-14-2005, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by tazzydnc
I must say though, it's much easier to throw a turbo into an 8 than it is to put back seats in a Z. From what I remember, for the same features the 8 is the cheapest of the 3, so the price difference allows you to do that if you want.
05-14-2005, 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 124Spider
Heck, that's easy.
One by one, the best S2000 drivers are bailing out, since the S2000 is not the best car in A stock. I know thar Ron Bauer is driving a Porsche 968 in Stock B, and Joe Goeke just put his S2000 up for sale.
For someone like me, the limiting factor is the driver, and the fraction of a second I might gain by going to a C4 is swallowed up by the 3 or 4 seconds that I need to get by learning to drive better. For those already driving their cars at the limit of the car, they look for the best car in the class.
Last year, the best car in Stock B was the S2000, so it had all the best drivers. They kicked the S2000 up to Stock A, where it doesn't appear to be a true contender, so the best drivers aren't driving the S2000 any more. The RX-8 is a contender in Stock B, so some of the best are driving it.
One by one, the best S2000 drivers are bailing out, since the S2000 is not the best car in A stock. I know thar Ron Bauer is driving a Porsche 968 in Stock B, and Joe Goeke just put his S2000 up for sale.
For someone like me, the limiting factor is the driver, and the fraction of a second I might gain by going to a C4 is swallowed up by the 3 or 4 seconds that I need to get by learning to drive better. For those already driving their cars at the limit of the car, they look for the best car in the class.
Last year, the best car in Stock B was the S2000, so it had all the best drivers. They kicked the S2000 up to Stock A, where it doesn't appear to be a true contender, so the best drivers aren't driving the S2000 any more. The RX-8 is a contender in Stock B, so some of the best are driving it.
Goeke and Bauer are excellent drivers but I wouldn't say they're the top drivers from the old BS. I'd say they're bailing because they not only have to contend with the other excellent drivers in the old BS but not have to compete with the best drivers that were in C4 Vettes the past couple years. I think a lot of them saw an oppotunity to carve out their place in the new BS. Smart money will be on Saini to win AS this year in his S2K and I bet he or whoever else wins AS is faster than any BS driver despite some of the results we've seen at some national tour events.
That aside I think it may have been hasty of the SCCA to make the class changes they did. So far it looks like it may have been a smarter move to move the C4 down to BS and had the Evo, STi, S4, 911, and perhaps some of the other cars that were lagging behind the S2Ks in the old BS duke it out in AS.
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05-15-2005, 10:08 AM
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Ha! None of you know what you are talking about!
Page 8 of my FORZA MOTORSPORT booklet clearly states
"C. Sport production class. Examples include the Mazda RX8 and the Honda S2000"
Are you telling me that you know more about racing then Microsoft? Are you telling me that the game booklet does not reflect real life?
And yes, this is sarcasm. Not directed at anyone. Really just to boost my postcount.
Page 8 of my FORZA MOTORSPORT booklet clearly states
"C. Sport production class. Examples include the Mazda RX8 and the Honda S2000"
Are you telling me that you know more about racing then Microsoft? Are you telling me that the game booklet does not reflect real life?
And yes, this is sarcasm. Not directed at anyone. Really just to boost my postcount.
05-15-2005, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Socr8tes
Just for the record, I’ve never stated that the RX-8 and S2000 are in the same exact market segment nor am I saying one is better than the other. Heck, you could break cars into subcategories all day until there’s only one or two in each. All I’m debating is your unwavering adamancy that people wouldn’t consider the two cars when they begin shopping around. Perhaps not everyone, or even the majority, but I think more might than you let on. I agree that someone who favors the convertible will choose the S2000 in the end. If someone told you that they were looking for a mid-priced Japanese sports/sporty car, what might you recommend to them? I also admit that I may be projecting my own thoughts and experiences on everyone else in the free world, so just show me the market research that supports your claim and I’ll concede. :D
05-15-2005, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
it's easy if you ignore a lot of facts, but whatever ... 
05-15-2005, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by klegg
Although, I do find it odd that spider has both cars, Races, you guys do not (not you Ike.) and you are getting nasty with him. I do not get it.
05-15-2005, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by StealthFox
he's quite qualified to the point where contest is almost pointless. if his credibility was high(not saying you have bad credibility) but if you had like 5000 posts or something i dont think anybody would be naysaying you.
05-15-2005, 01:58 PM
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Aw geeze! I get busy with work and a good post comes by and I miss it. An opportunity to argue with all the idiots who don't own RX-8s, yet pretend to be experts on them, and point out pointless number-oriented crap under the guise of making sure us RX-8 owners aren't "hiding from the truth".
Answering the FIRST post in this thread and then even only the topic line - "own an S2000, will the RX-8 disappoint?":
1) Performance: Depends on what your expectations of the RX-8 are. If you expect a pure track-only experience, then yes. If you want a terrific handling, well balanced sports car you can drive every day, then no. The S2000's NUMBERS beat the RX-8's. That said, I think the RX-8 is more enjoyable to drive every day. But, on an autocross track or roadcourse, I think I'd rather have an S2000. Since I can't justify a track car and a daily driver side by side my garage ... RX-8 gets the spot. I looked at both cars long and hard. In the end, I needed day to day driveability more than pure track performance.
2) If you love sunny days with the top down and live somewhere warm where you can do that frequently, then why even look at the RX-8? You're a rag top guy - stay with what you like.
3) If you want to take more people with you other than one other person, and you can tolerate not having a rag top, then the RX-8 is for you.
Posts like this are pointless. Go test drive the car and make your own decision - don't rely on a forum like this to tell you.
Answering the FIRST post in this thread and then even only the topic line - "own an S2000, will the RX-8 disappoint?":
1) Performance: Depends on what your expectations of the RX-8 are. If you expect a pure track-only experience, then yes. If you want a terrific handling, well balanced sports car you can drive every day, then no. The S2000's NUMBERS beat the RX-8's. That said, I think the RX-8 is more enjoyable to drive every day. But, on an autocross track or roadcourse, I think I'd rather have an S2000. Since I can't justify a track car and a daily driver side by side my garage ... RX-8 gets the spot. I looked at both cars long and hard. In the end, I needed day to day driveability more than pure track performance.
2) If you love sunny days with the top down and live somewhere warm where you can do that frequently, then why even look at the RX-8? You're a rag top guy - stay with what you like.
3) If you want to take more people with you other than one other person, and you can tolerate not having a rag top, then the RX-8 is for you.
Posts like this are pointless. Go test drive the car and make your own decision - don't rely on a forum like this to tell you.
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05-15-2005, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by StewC625
Aw geeze! I get busy with work and a good post comes by and I miss it. An opportunity to argue with all the idiots who don't own RX-8s, yet pretend to be experts on them, and point out pointless number-oriented crap under the guys of making sure us RX-8 owners aren't "hiding from the truth".
Answering the FIRST post in this thread and then even only the topic line - "own an S2000, will the RX-8 disappoint?":
1) Performance: Depends on what your expectations of the RX-8 are. If you expect a pure track-only experience, then yes. If you want a terrific handling, well balanced sports car you can drive every day, then no. The S2000's NUMBERS beat the RX-8's. That said, I think the RX-8 is more enjoyable to drive every day. But, on an autocross track or roadcourse, I think I'd rather have an S2000. Since I can't justify a track car and a daily driver side by side my garage ... RX-8 gets the spot. I looked at both cars long and hard. In the end, I needed day to day driveability more than pure track performance.
2) If you love sunny days with the top down and live somewhere warm where you can do that frequently, then why even look at the RX-8? You're a rag top guy - stay with what you like.
3) If you want to take more people with you other than one other person, and you can tolerate not having a rag top, then the RX-8 is for you.
Posts like this are pointless. Go test drive the car and make your own decision - don't rely on a forum like this to tell you.
Answering the FIRST post in this thread and then even only the topic line - "own an S2000, will the RX-8 disappoint?":
1) Performance: Depends on what your expectations of the RX-8 are. If you expect a pure track-only experience, then yes. If you want a terrific handling, well balanced sports car you can drive every day, then no. The S2000's NUMBERS beat the RX-8's. That said, I think the RX-8 is more enjoyable to drive every day. But, on an autocross track or roadcourse, I think I'd rather have an S2000. Since I can't justify a track car and a daily driver side by side my garage ... RX-8 gets the spot. I looked at both cars long and hard. In the end, I needed day to day driveability more than pure track performance.
2) If you love sunny days with the top down and live somewhere warm where you can do that frequently, then why even look at the RX-8? You're a rag top guy - stay with what you like.
3) If you want to take more people with you other than one other person, and you can tolerate not having a rag top, then the RX-8 is for you.
Posts like this are pointless. Go test drive the car and make your own decision - don't rely on a forum like this to tell you.
05-15-2005, 04:33 PM
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What made me buy the RX8 over the S2k is the fact that it had 2 extra seats in the back. Other wise i was suppose to buy an s2k ever since they first hit production in 00'. But then i opted for an E36- which in the end was alot of fun but tons of maintainence and now i have the RX8....
If you dont need to extra seats in the back, keep your s2k....
If you dont need to extra seats in the back, keep your s2k....
05-15-2005, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 124Spider
Gee, Stew, it's no fun when someone writes a perfectly reasonable, comprehensive answer in one post! :p
Now if Ike agrees with me, then I'll know that this thread has jumped the shark.
05-26-2005, 09:19 PM
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This really happened to me.
I went to Colorado from California with my wife. There had been snow and her freind said "you have to four wheel drive". I wanted a Focus, and would have driven it, but wanted no part of an SUV. Gave her the SUV, but refused to drive it. She tools along the freeway at about 55, and an electric blue RX8 flies past us about 15MPH faster and to rub it in deftly hops into the lane in front of us. I sat in my cold passenger seat in a morbid silence.
The long and short is that DSC is pretty good. Kind of like an angel tugging at your coattails gently pulling the car back into line. Like all little helpers even AWD has its limits, and when it lets go, all is lost. DSC slows the car down and keeps it straight, but is much better than ABS. DSC is always there, while ABS only goes when you hit the brakes. By then it is already too late.
I went to Colorado from California with my wife. There had been snow and her freind said "you have to four wheel drive". I wanted a Focus, and would have driven it, but wanted no part of an SUV. Gave her the SUV, but refused to drive it. She tools along the freeway at about 55, and an electric blue RX8 flies past us about 15MPH faster and to rub it in deftly hops into the lane in front of us. I sat in my cold passenger seat in a morbid silence.
The long and short is that DSC is pretty good. Kind of like an angel tugging at your coattails gently pulling the car back into line. Like all little helpers even AWD has its limits, and when it lets go, all is lost. DSC slows the car down and keeps it straight, but is much better than ABS. DSC is always there, while ABS only goes when you hit the brakes. By then it is already too late.
05-27-2005, 09:52 AM
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As a previous S2000 owner who sold it when his wife had a baby, let me say that they are both good cars.
Performance is better in the S2k.
The RX-8 is smoother and more refined.
My recommendation is get a RX-8 and a sports bike and you can have the best of both worlds
Performance is better in the S2k.
The RX-8 is smoother and more refined.
My recommendation is get a RX-8 and a sports bike and you can have the best of both worlds
05-27-2005, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dean2900
As a previous S2000 owner who sold it when his wife had a baby, let me say that they are both good cars.
Performance is better in the S2k.
The RX-8 is smoother and more refined.
My recommendation is get a RX-8 and a sports bike and you can have the best of both worlds
Performance is better in the S2k.
The RX-8 is smoother and more refined.
My recommendation is get a RX-8 and a sports bike and you can have the best of both worlds
05-30-2005, 07:53 AM
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This is quite intresting... i just joined the club and i just sold my s2k and bought a 8.
both fun cars.. different feeling to both.. 8 is smooth, refined. s2k is more raw.
i think it all depends on how old you are, or going to get.
both fun cars.. different feeling to both.. 8 is smooth, refined. s2k is more raw.
i think it all depends on how old you are, or going to get.
06-01-2005, 09:46 PM
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i own an rx8 myself and i have to say that the s2k would be better than the rx8 in winter because the 8 has a rotary engine and this type of engine is not that great in cold weathers. you would have to warm it up a pretty long time before start driving or else it might studder for a while. this car is great in warm weathers and many other conditions. its a very fun car to drive cause of the great handling it has. but im just disappointed in the hp and torque this car produces.
06-01-2005, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SiLVeRE8
i own an rx8 myself and i have to say that the s2k would be better than the rx8 in winter because the 8 has a rotary engine and this type of engine is not that great in cold weathers. you would have to warm it up a pretty long time before start driving or else it might studder for a while. this car is great in warm weathers and many other conditions. its a very fun car to drive cause of the great handling it has. but im just disappointed in the hp and torque this car produces.