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09-24-2003, 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by vosko
my 91 MPH is going to be more like the 188rwhp pull than the 196rwhp pull. this was done on regular 93 octane. if we had put in the 103 octane i bet it would have done a few more MPH on the strip
my 91 MPH is going to be more like the 188rwhp pull than the 196rwhp pull. this was done on regular 93 octane. if we had put in the 103 octane i bet it would have done a few more MPH on the strip
I am confident the RX8 can get into the 14's too, 14.8-14.9. It will take a hell'of'a launch (probably in the 2.000 60' range) in ideal conditions and a stronger engine then average 175-180rwhp that is commonly seen. It will happen but it will not likely happen very often.
Also I wouldn't call it a 14 second car, I occasionally break into the 13's and I wouldn't call my car a 13 second car. I just say its a very low 14 second car occasionally cracking into the 13's with good launches.
09-24-2003, 10:50 AM
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http://rotarynews.com/view.php?id=208
Time slips. Of course you don't want to believe them so you won't, Blue 350z. Again, why are you so obsessed with this when you don't even own the car?
As people get more miles on their cars, we have been seeing a gradual increase in hp. The highest with 'normal' gas I've seen on these forums so far is a 191. That's a decent increase from the original 175's that everyone was freaking out about, and I'll wait to see where things END UP AT before I jump to conclusions and state facts. The funny thing is, you're jumping around making statements in an aggressive manner as though you know what the hell you're talking about, and again YOU DON'T EVEN OWN THE CAR!
Time slips. Of course you don't want to believe them so you won't, Blue 350z. Again, why are you so obsessed with this when you don't even own the car?
As people get more miles on their cars, we have been seeing a gradual increase in hp. The highest with 'normal' gas I've seen on these forums so far is a 191. That's a decent increase from the original 175's that everyone was freaking out about, and I'll wait to see where things END UP AT before I jump to conclusions and state facts. The funny thing is, you're jumping around making statements in an aggressive manner as though you know what the hell you're talking about, and again YOU DON'T EVEN OWN THE CAR!
09-24-2003, 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by aussie77
http://rotarynews.com/view.php?id=208
Time slips. Of course you don't want to believe them so you won't, Blue 350z. Again, why are you so obsessed with this when you don't even own the car?
As people get more miles on their cars, we have been seeing a gradual increase in hp. The highest with 'normal' gas I've seen on these forums so far is a 191. That's a decent increase from the original 175's that everyone was freaking out about, and I'll wait to see where things END UP AT before I jump to conclusions and state facts. The funny thing is, you're jumping around making statements in an aggressive manner as though you know what the hell you're talking about, and again YOU DON'T EVEN OWN THE CAR!
http://rotarynews.com/view.php?id=208
Time slips. Of course you don't want to believe them so you won't, Blue 350z. Again, why are you so obsessed with this when you don't even own the car?
As people get more miles on their cars, we have been seeing a gradual increase in hp. The highest with 'normal' gas I've seen on these forums so far is a 191. That's a decent increase from the original 175's that everyone was freaking out about, and I'll wait to see where things END UP AT before I jump to conclusions and state facts. The funny thing is, you're jumping around making statements in an aggressive manner as though you know what the hell you're talking about, and again YOU DON'T EVEN OWN THE CAR!
I am not an idiot, and I wish some of you people would grow up and face some facts. You are here quoting times from a Mazda/Renesis influenced media, which probably used a RX8 with a tweaked ECU (think how easily that could have been arranged) if they were even indeed real time slips. Why don't they have footage of this happening? You can bet if the slip came from an RX8 it's ECU was tweaked for the run on purpose to try and quiet you people down.
Can you explain to me why NOBODY is running better then a 15.16@91.96?? Tell me, explain this to me aussie I dare you!
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09-24-2003, 11:13 AM
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Well, easy people, lets see if we get back to the original subject of the 196rwhp dyno then a 15.1x 1/4 mile time at less than 92mph with reasonable 60ft times. That is VERY weird in a 3000lb car. Maybe the ECU is very inconsistent, sometimes it puts down the power and sometimes it doesnt.
The breaking in excuse is getting old and really dont expect your car to gain 20 whp after you put on thousands of miles that is ridiculous. I took my jetta to the track at 5k miles and at 25k it posted almost identical times ditto at 50k. I even took my honda pilot suv to the track with only 500 miles on the odo!! and then with 10k miles and guess what? almost identical times. See the trend here.
Well and now i will go and see if I can test drive a RX8! I want some direct experience with the car.
The breaking in excuse is getting old and really dont expect your car to gain 20 whp after you put on thousands of miles that is ridiculous. I took my jetta to the track at 5k miles and at 25k it posted almost identical times ditto at 50k. I even took my honda pilot suv to the track with only 500 miles on the odo!! and then with 10k miles and guess what? almost identical times. See the trend here.
Well and now i will go and see if I can test drive a RX8! I want some direct experience with the car.
09-24-2003, 11:16 AM
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Hey Blue350Z, I think indirectly implying your car being a 13 second car is VERY extreme...you BARELY got into the 13s by .028 seconds. Putting yourself in this category is laughable.
Getting back to the discussion at hand...it's a shame that TENTHS of a second matter to so many people. If we use Blue350Z's logic, the minute that an RX8 gets a 1/4 mile run of 14.999, it automatically qualifies as a 14 second car. And if that's the TITLE you want (which obviously means SO much to you), then realize that eventually someone is going to achieve that, which some people have done already. Timeslips have been posted here, whether you choose to accept it or not.
So get over it.
Getting back to the discussion at hand...it's a shame that TENTHS of a second matter to so many people. If we use Blue350Z's logic, the minute that an RX8 gets a 1/4 mile run of 14.999, it automatically qualifies as a 14 second car. And if that's the TITLE you want (which obviously means SO much to you), then realize that eventually someone is going to achieve that, which some people have done already. Timeslips have been posted here, whether you choose to accept it or not.
So get over it.
09-24-2003, 11:17 AM
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Alright. I also happen to have a Bachelor of Science in Physics (and I can guarantee your G.P.A wasn't higher.. that I will bet a lot of money on), and a Masters in Engineering from GA Tech. IT doesn't mean I know all the facts of the situation. The simple truth is I do not, even though I own one of these cars.
Why? Because I didn't build it. I don't know what the break-in to peak performance is. I don't know the computer code in the ECU that kicks in on dynos.
If you were really interested in the truth and not just dragging the 8 down you might be more up to date on the things some people HAVE found out so far.
Such as the following thread:
http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.p...threadid=10823
Run-down: There appears to be error-code in the ECU that DOES mess with the engine when all four wheels aren't turning.
Just like the dynos ARE increasing with time... there has been a few posted, if you took the time to look for them.
I'm not going to sit here and say I am smarter than you are Blue 350z, or that I know more. In fact, quite the opposite - I am fully accepting of the fact I don't yet have all the facts. I DO however have some patience, and I DON'T have any obsession with seeing the situation one way or another.
If Mazda is lying, they will get caught. The enthusiast community will see to that between dynos, track times, etc etc. If Mazda is telling the truth, we will CONTINUE to see a gradual increase in the car's performance with miles until it reaches its peak performance.
Time slips are released with mid 14's and you write them off. Dynos are slowly increasing in power and you write that off. Evidence suggests that the ECU doesn't allow peak performance on a dyno anyway and you either ignore it or write that off too. Despite all of this, you do state with authority that YOU know the truth behind the situation. That YOU know without a doubt what is going on. And somehow it seems very important to you.. again despite the fact that you don't even own an RX-8, and apparantly have no intention of buying one. So the simple question is this: what are you doing here? What is it you hope to accomplish with your attitude and your posts? Is it to make everyone who doesn't own a 350z feel like crap about their car? If that's the case then I have a good word to describe you that the forum moderators wouldn't like too much. If it isn't then I can only assume that you are here because you feel somehow threatened by a car that is considered a 'competitor' to yours, that a lot of magazines and websites are touting as something better. Doh!
Why? Because I didn't build it. I don't know what the break-in to peak performance is. I don't know the computer code in the ECU that kicks in on dynos.
If you were really interested in the truth and not just dragging the 8 down you might be more up to date on the things some people HAVE found out so far.
Such as the following thread:
http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.p...threadid=10823
Run-down: There appears to be error-code in the ECU that DOES mess with the engine when all four wheels aren't turning.
Just like the dynos ARE increasing with time... there has been a few posted, if you took the time to look for them.
I'm not going to sit here and say I am smarter than you are Blue 350z, or that I know more. In fact, quite the opposite - I am fully accepting of the fact I don't yet have all the facts. I DO however have some patience, and I DON'T have any obsession with seeing the situation one way or another.
If Mazda is lying, they will get caught. The enthusiast community will see to that between dynos, track times, etc etc. If Mazda is telling the truth, we will CONTINUE to see a gradual increase in the car's performance with miles until it reaches its peak performance.
Time slips are released with mid 14's and you write them off. Dynos are slowly increasing in power and you write that off. Evidence suggests that the ECU doesn't allow peak performance on a dyno anyway and you either ignore it or write that off too. Despite all of this, you do state with authority that YOU know the truth behind the situation. That YOU know without a doubt what is going on. And somehow it seems very important to you.. again despite the fact that you don't even own an RX-8, and apparantly have no intention of buying one. So the simple question is this: what are you doing here? What is it you hope to accomplish with your attitude and your posts? Is it to make everyone who doesn't own a 350z feel like crap about their car? If that's the case then I have a good word to describe you that the forum moderators wouldn't like too much. If it isn't then I can only assume that you are here because you feel somehow threatened by a car that is considered a 'competitor' to yours, that a lot of magazines and websites are touting as something better. Doh!
09-24-2003, 11:18 AM
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aussie: thought 350 is a bit harsh at times, he's right. Those are all pre-production and special production cars. None of those would be sold at dealers. I don't necessarily think mazda or whoever would specially TUNE the cars for this application, but they probably didn't get DEtuned at the docks or whatever like the ones sold on lots are.
You're right in that we can't say anything conclusive until we get a large sampling of data.. but there is SOME data out there, and it's all pointing towards the 210hp theory.
Hopefully these threads will encourage more people to get out to the tracks and run
You're right in that we can't say anything conclusive until we get a large sampling of data.. but there is SOME data out there, and it's all pointing towards the 210hp theory.
Hopefully these threads will encourage more people to get out to the tracks and run
09-24-2003, 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by RX8Lover
Hey Blue350Z, I think indirectly implying your car being a 13 second car is VERY extreme...you BARELY got into the 13s by .028 seconds. Putting yourself in this category is laughable.
Getting back to the discussion at hand...it's a shame that TENTHS of a second matter to so many people. If we use Blue350Z's logic, the minute that an RX8 gets a 1/4 mile run of 14.999, it automatically qualifies as a 14 second car. And if that's the TITLE you want (which obviously means SO much to you), then realize that eventually someone is going to achieve that, which some people have done already. Timeslips have been posted here, whether you choose to accept it or not.
So get over it.
Hey Blue350Z, I think indirectly implying your car being a 13 second car is VERY extreme...you BARELY got into the 13s by .028 seconds. Putting yourself in this category is laughable.
Getting back to the discussion at hand...it's a shame that TENTHS of a second matter to so many people. If we use Blue350Z's logic, the minute that an RX8 gets a 1/4 mile run of 14.999, it automatically qualifies as a 14 second car. And if that's the TITLE you want (which obviously means SO much to you), then realize that eventually someone is going to achieve that, which some people have done already. Timeslips have been posted here, whether you choose to accept it or not.
So get over it.
"Also I wouldn't call it a 14 second car, I occasionally break into the 13's and I wouldn't call my car a 13 second car. I just say its a very low 14 second car occasionally cracking into the 13's with good launches."
Now for the blind.
"I occasionally break into the 13's and I wouldn't call my car a 13 second car. "
I expect a retraction of your last post or at least a reply to your stupid post.
PS. Still no reply from aussie explaining why everybody is running 15.2ish
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09-24-2003, 11:21 AM
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I am not an idiot, and I wish some of you people would grow up and face some facts. You are here quoting times from a Mazda/Renesis influenced media, which probably used a RX8 with a tweaked ECU (think how easily that could have been arranged) if they were even indeed real time slips.
But exactly how can you say that they "probably" used an RX-8 with a tweaked ECU? And then prompt us to "think how easily"... it seems to me more like you've spent too much time imagining ways to pick on the RX-8. The FACT is you're just posting pure crap in that entire paragraph, one filled with all sorts of qualifying statements such as 'probably' that mark it out as your own imaginings.
09-24-2003, 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by aussie77
By the way, it is advisable when you tell someone to face FACTS that you don't proceed with pure supposition. The FACT is that it is a timeslip from a real track. The name of the place is on the timeslip - look them up and give them a call
But exactly how can you say that they "probably" used an RX-8 with a tweaked ECU? And then prompt us to "think how easily"... it seems to me more like you've spent too much time imagining ways to pick on the RX-8. The FACT is you're just posting pure crap in that entire paragraph, one filled with all sorts of qualifying statements such as 'probably' that mark it out as your own imaginings.
By the way, it is advisable when you tell someone to face FACTS that you don't proceed with pure supposition. The FACT is that it is a timeslip from a real track. The name of the place is on the timeslip - look them up and give them a call
But exactly how can you say that they "probably" used an RX-8 with a tweaked ECU? And then prompt us to "think how easily"... it seems to me more like you've spent too much time imagining ways to pick on the RX-8. The FACT is you're just posting pure crap in that entire paragraph, one filled with all sorts of qualifying statements such as 'probably' that mark it out as your own imaginings.
09-24-2003, 11:25 AM
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Oook, so it's come down to name calling. Very mature guys.
Why can't people just have a discussion without resorting to aggression?
You guys should have taken some time out from your Science majors and taken a debate class or something
Why can't people just have a discussion without resorting to aggression?
You guys should have taken some time out from your Science majors and taken a debate class or something
09-24-2003, 11:26 AM
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Tresch, the following statement precedes the timeslips:
"Yellow 44 and Sliver 49 are pre production cars build on the assembly line (not by hand), and have been retrofitted with full-blown production-spec engines".
"Yellow 44 and Sliver 49 are pre production cars build on the assembly line (not by hand), and have been retrofitted with full-blown production-spec engines".
09-24-2003, 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by Tresch
Oook, so it's come down to name calling. Very mature guys.
Why can't people just have a discussion without resorting to aggression?
You guys should have taken some time out from your Science majors and taken a debate class or something
Oook, so it's come down to name calling. Very mature guys.
Why can't people just have a discussion without resorting to aggression?
You guys should have taken some time out from your Science majors and taken a debate class or something
09-24-2003, 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by Blue 350z
People like to start with me because I don't own an RX8. You don't need to own an RX8 to know things. I seen slips, I read posts, I see RX8's with my own 2 eyes at the track unable to break 15.3!
People like to start with me because I don't own an RX8. You don't need to own an RX8 to know things. I seen slips, I read posts, I see RX8's with my own 2 eyes at the track unable to break 15.3!
So what. you saw 2 Rx8s that made certain times. You can't really sit here and say ALL RX8s do that.
09-24-2003, 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by RX8Lover
Well I went to the track and I saw an Integra which couldnt break 15s. Does that mean ALL Integras can't? No. it means his couldn't.
So what. you saw 2 Rx8s that made certain times. You can't really sit here and say ALL RX8s do that.
Well I went to the track and I saw an Integra which couldnt break 15s. Does that mean ALL Integras can't? No. it means his couldn't.
So what. you saw 2 Rx8s that made certain times. You can't really sit here and say ALL RX8s do that.
Aussie, still waiting for your explaination on why everybody is posting timeslips of 15.2ish numbers
09-24-2003, 11:33 AM
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"Yellow 44 and Sliver 49 are pre production cars build on the assembly line (not by hand), and have been retrofitted with full-blown production-spec engines"
True, I saw that.. but they're still "pre-production" and "retrofitted" and thus not standard. I like to approach problems with a fairly scientific method. There are simply too many possible variables in the open with those vehicles to enter their times into the mix.
When I see times like this from post-production cars with no modifications whatsoever, I will gladly smile, say "you're right" and go about my business!
True, I saw that.. but they're still "pre-production" and "retrofitted" and thus not standard. I like to approach problems with a fairly scientific method. There are simply too many possible variables in the open with those vehicles to enter their times into the mix.
When I see times like this from post-production cars with no modifications whatsoever, I will gladly smile, say "you're right" and go about my business!
09-24-2003, 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by Blue 350z
True, but those times were consistant with times posted here.
Aussie, still waiting for your explaination on why everybody is posting timeslips of 15.2ish numbers
True, but those times were consistant with times posted here.
Aussie, still waiting for your explaination on why everybody is posting timeslips of 15.2ish numbers
But until then, please stop.
09-24-2003, 11:36 AM
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I can understand your point Tresch. To me at least the engine is the key thing here. I mean if the rest of the car is done on the factory line makes little difference, but a full-production engine in that car.. that's the key information. But to each his own 
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Aussie: True, true.. but what concerns me more is ECU castration. When this stuff gets to the US it seems like they're cutting it way back, and not just on the dyno. I have no doubt the engine can make the power, hell.. so far it's looking like the japanese models are even dynoing at over 200 to the wheels. And it seems so far like they're responding really well to mods...
RX8lover makes a good point, too. We don't have a HUGE sample base to choose from. My point is that the data that we DO have is very consistant. Do we need to see more data? Definately. Should we be able to have a friendly, mature discussion about it in the meantime? I don't see why not.
RX8lover makes a good point, too. We don't have a HUGE sample base to choose from. My point is that the data that we DO have is very consistant. Do we need to see more data? Definately. Should we be able to have a friendly, mature discussion about it in the meantime? I don't see why not.
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Originally posted by RX8Lover
Everybody? You're talking about a handful of people. Come back to me in a year from now, and if every RX8 runs those times, then maybe your argument would hold water.
But until then, please stop.
Everybody? You're talking about a handful of people. Come back to me in a year from now, and if every RX8 runs those times, then maybe your argument would hold water.
But until then, please stop.
The only way times will increase dramatically in time is if Mazda starts tweaking ECU's of new RX8's coming into the USA to save face.
Also I don't know why there is so much aggression toward me and other outsiders on this forum. Its pretty bad, no other site is like this, IMO I offer some good insite and facts toward discussions and I always find myself having to defend myself just for presenting facts.
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what do i get if i run 14's on pump gas??? i want a prize. hell i don't even own an rx8 LOL
with 103 octane a 14.5 is possible definetely
i can't wait to for judge ito to make the headers for his rx8
with 103 octane a 14.5 is possible definetely
i can't wait to for judge ito to make the headers for his rx8