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09-24-2003, 08:02 PM
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If you were at all interested in the truth or facts Blue that would be one thing. But the simple truth is you are not. You take whatever small amount of data that supports your claims and state them as fact. You also IGNORE any data that contradicts your opinions. Because opinions are all they are. You don't know jack about this engine or this car. You obviously have a vested interest in criticising it or you wouldn't even be here.
FACT: Despite your statements that it will always be 'only' a low 15 second car, someone has run a 14.7s 1/4 mile on a production car.
FACT: the THREE time slips that you are using as conclusive data to support your claims are not conclusive. Two of them were done with lower RPM launches, and even if they were perfect launches the cars have low miles on them, and there are still only THREE tests. Not a sufficient sample size to state anything with authority.
FACT: You rant on about the low mpg SOME people are getting. Some people are getting just fine gas milage from their cars with zero complaints. Almost everyone reports improvement as the car gets more miles on it.
But you don't care about any of this. You only care about whatever scraps of information you can find which support your pre-decided view on this issue. You don't bring ANY constructive comments or thoughts to the discussion and you are nothing more than a troll. The sad thing is you keep promising to leave these boards and then come back. The HP issue pales in comparison to the disappointment I feel every time I see your ignorant inflammatory posts on here.
If you do ever decide to come back (again), try doing so with two things:
1) Some thought and consideration. Your every post exudes confrontation and hostility. It isn't a discussion with you it is an obvious argument, whether we want one or not.
2) An open mind. Right now you don't care what information exists or what anyone says. You have decided for yourself that the car is missing hp and for some reason it is incredibly important for you to convince people who actually own the car that there is something wrong with it.
So either start to show EITHER of the above or **** off. If you were a disgruntled owner people would still get sick of your continuous crap but it might be at least a little understandable. The fact you don't even own the car but this argument is so important to you only says one thing about you, and I think everyone here knows what that is.
FACT: Despite your statements that it will always be 'only' a low 15 second car, someone has run a 14.7s 1/4 mile on a production car.
FACT: the THREE time slips that you are using as conclusive data to support your claims are not conclusive. Two of them were done with lower RPM launches, and even if they were perfect launches the cars have low miles on them, and there are still only THREE tests. Not a sufficient sample size to state anything with authority.
FACT: You rant on about the low mpg SOME people are getting. Some people are getting just fine gas milage from their cars with zero complaints. Almost everyone reports improvement as the car gets more miles on it.
But you don't care about any of this. You only care about whatever scraps of information you can find which support your pre-decided view on this issue. You don't bring ANY constructive comments or thoughts to the discussion and you are nothing more than a troll. The sad thing is you keep promising to leave these boards and then come back. The HP issue pales in comparison to the disappointment I feel every time I see your ignorant inflammatory posts on here.
If you do ever decide to come back (again), try doing so with two things:
1) Some thought and consideration. Your every post exudes confrontation and hostility. It isn't a discussion with you it is an obvious argument, whether we want one or not.
2) An open mind. Right now you don't care what information exists or what anyone says. You have decided for yourself that the car is missing hp and for some reason it is incredibly important for you to convince people who actually own the car that there is something wrong with it.
So either start to show EITHER of the above or **** off. If you were a disgruntled owner people would still get sick of your continuous crap but it might be at least a little understandable. The fact you don't even own the car but this argument is so important to you only says one thing about you, and I think everyone here knows what that is.
09-24-2003, 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by Blue 350z
You guys are wicked F'ed up on these forums. I get nothing but attitude just because I drive a 350z? Or is it because I state facts that you people don't like because you can't admit its the truth??
You people have alot to learn on these forums about how to treat people.
I know exactly where the aggression comes from, you guys are pissed cuz you got had by Mazda and have no other recourse but to take it out on outsiders that's car is running as advertised. Mazda will have the last laugh because they are still selling them overrated at 238HP.
Take your POS Renesis engine getting 15-17MPG thats making no HP or TQ and cry over and over again about where the HP is and when its coming back. Pretend the horsepower fairy is going to come and sprinkle HP into your engine one day. All I know is I bought a car with 287HP and 274TQ and I got every single one of them and then some meeting and exceeding published times.
SO continue making posts crying about where all that HP went, keep making excuses, keep living in dreamland and have fun running low 15's at the track and keeping up with sedans and gettign beat by RSX Type-S's, because its not going to change. I'll be checking in now and then just to point out that its still a 15 second car and eventually your "wait wait wait" excuse with run flat and you will have to face facts then.
Deny it all you want. Your getting a measely 16MPG and getting civic like TQ and the RX8 is missing like 30+HP all for a $30k-35k, good deal!!
You should check out what other forums around the net think about your RX8, most just call it a joke running mid 15's. No lie, even the crossfire people are crapping on it and they only have 215HP and are running high 14's.
I tried to ignore all these negative comments toward me but I can only take so much. You people are so bitter and it shows like neon lights. Its pretty sad.
You guys are wicked F'ed up on these forums. I get nothing but attitude just because I drive a 350z? Or is it because I state facts that you people don't like because you can't admit its the truth??
You people have alot to learn on these forums about how to treat people.
I know exactly where the aggression comes from, you guys are pissed cuz you got had by Mazda and have no other recourse but to take it out on outsiders that's car is running as advertised. Mazda will have the last laugh because they are still selling them overrated at 238HP.
Take your POS Renesis engine getting 15-17MPG thats making no HP or TQ and cry over and over again about where the HP is and when its coming back. Pretend the horsepower fairy is going to come and sprinkle HP into your engine one day. All I know is I bought a car with 287HP and 274TQ and I got every single one of them and then some meeting and exceeding published times.
SO continue making posts crying about where all that HP went, keep making excuses, keep living in dreamland and have fun running low 15's at the track and keeping up with sedans and gettign beat by RSX Type-S's, because its not going to change. I'll be checking in now and then just to point out that its still a 15 second car and eventually your "wait wait wait" excuse with run flat and you will have to face facts then.
Deny it all you want. Your getting a measely 16MPG and getting civic like TQ and the RX8 is missing like 30+HP all for a $30k-35k, good deal!!
You should check out what other forums around the net think about your RX8, most just call it a joke running mid 15's. No lie, even the crossfire people are crapping on it and they only have 215HP and are running high 14's.
I tried to ignore all these negative comments toward me but I can only take so much. You people are so bitter and it shows like neon lights. Its pretty sad.
Unfortunately Blue 350Z, its comments like this that get you into trouble.
Calling the Renesis a POS definitely wont win you any brownie points as far as sympathy goes.
I am also a 350Z owner, but unlike you I DONT make it a point to bring up the HP thing every single chance I get. I enjoy the RX-8 for what it is, and appreciate its virtues.
How would you feel if a BMW owner came onto the Z boards, and ragged about how the G35/350Z does not make the advertised HP rating? This was a heated debate last year on the Nissan boards, especially when the G35C was only slightly faster than the BMW 330Ci which made way less horsepower.
Fast forward to this year, and instead of 330Ci vs G35/Z, we have RX-8 vs 350Z. Just as Z owners aren't going to listen to BMW folks bad-mouthing the car, do you expect the RX-8 guys are going to listen to you?
Come on man, give it a rest.
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09-24-2003, 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by Blue 350z
All I know is I bought a car with 287HP and 274TQ and I got every single one of them and then some meeting and exceeding published times.
All I know is I bought a car with 287HP and 274TQ and I got every single one of them and then some meeting and exceeding published times.
As for your "facts" - aussie77 covered it, but what you keep bleating about aren't facts, they're your opinions or very carefully selected, limited data points that you've chosen to present your "arguments", while blindly ignoring all the non-supporting data points. When confronted with those, you just ignore them or dismiss them with some lame excuse. For a person of education with two degrees, you surely must have been exposed to at least the rudimentary principles of statistical analysis, but you sure haven't used one iota of them here. You keep harping on the same, lame arguments without any valid backing.For example, you constantly dismiss all the proper suggestions as to why the dyno results aren't valid for example, completely ignoring the facts of the engine safe mode reducing the HP. You completely ignore the facts that have been presented by the magazines and a couple of private owners about how the launch was critical to acceleration of the RX-8, and keep harping about how the few newbies who aren't launching properly are absolutely representative of all RX-8s. Mileage? Yeah, aussie77 nailed it again, you keep harping about 15 mpg when most of us have never got mileage that low, yet you insist that the 15 mpg figure is fact.
Have you read these cold, hard reviews of the 350Z yet?
Try the AutoSpeed 350Z review , and then the AutoSpeed Driving Emotion Editorial (350Z - 3/10) .
There's your facts for you. You're stuck with a one-dimensional boat - sure, it's fast in a straight line, but that's all. Do you keep hanging around here to beat us over the head with that one fact, in a feeble attempt to make yourself feel better and hide from the fact that your car is crude, rough, and unrefined, has unpredictable handling on anything other than a billiard-table-smooth track, and a plasticky, low-rent interior that belongs in a Saturn? We don't care, and aren't interested in being your therapeutic target for venting your frustration when you get kicked out of the 350Z forums again for being a completely, utterly annoying loser.
Please follow through on at least one offer, and go away. We don't wish to hide from anything but trolls like you.
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09-24-2003, 09:06 PM
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LOL, forums are too funny..
Well see whats up when this HP, 1/4 ET stuff is STILL going on 1,2, even 6 months from now and your still wondering where it went and when the HP fairy will bring back the HP to the car.
Lets see how I got 35HP:
Average rwhp = 175-180
Drivetrain loss = 18% (AT MOST)
Crank power = About 215HP
250-215 = 35HP
Well see whats up when this HP, 1/4 ET stuff is STILL going on 1,2, even 6 months from now and your still wondering where it went and when the HP fairy will bring back the HP to the car.
Lets see how I got 35HP:
Average rwhp = 175-180
Drivetrain loss = 18% (AT MOST)
Crank power = About 215HP
250-215 = 35HP
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09-24-2003, 09:09 PM
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Ouch, Even though I want to, I wont comment on the 350Z negatives, especially with that Saturn comeback. Cooler heads must prevail. No need to draw this out even further.
Hope you are happy now Blue 350Z, this perfectly good thread just turned nasty.
Hope you are happy now Blue 350Z, this perfectly good thread just turned nasty.
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Hear hear, Gordon. Yet another well articulated post. I'm sure Blue feels that by laughing at us he is somehow countering our logical arguments. Or something like that anyway 
EDIT: By the way Tweety-nator, don't feel bad. I think most if not all of us 8 owners have a respect for the 350Z. Indeed I'm sure Gordon has respect for it also. However sadly true it might be, a large portion of the trolls on these boards are Z owners and blatantly so. Another unfortunate fact is that some of them, such as Blue 350z have no apparant capability to understand logically constructed arguments that respect the differences between fact and opinion. Hence I think Gordon has resorted to the sort of reply which Blue 350z might actually understand... although I think even that is a long shot.
I know that most if not all of us understand that people like him are not representative of the entirety of 350z owners, and as I said we respect the car. Heck it was on my wish-list for a long time before the RX-8 came out Happy driving!
EDIT: By the way Tweety-nator, don't feel bad. I think most if not all of us 8 owners have a respect for the 350Z. Indeed I'm sure Gordon has respect for it also. However sadly true it might be, a large portion of the trolls on these boards are Z owners and blatantly so. Another unfortunate fact is that some of them, such as Blue 350z have no apparant capability to understand logically constructed arguments that respect the differences between fact and opinion. Hence I think Gordon has resorted to the sort of reply which Blue 350z might actually understand... although I think even that is a long shot.
I know that most if not all of us understand that people like him are not representative of the entirety of 350z owners, and as I said we respect the car. Heck it was on my wish-list for a long time before the RX-8 came out
Happy driving!
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09-24-2003, 09:17 PM
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Well people, a lot of you dont read well or dont care. But start with the title of THIS thread, its About the RX8's POWER! dyno results (correlated to 1/4 mile times/mph).
If G35's and 350z were missing power a lot of people would be inquiring on the subject (yes on their forums) and yes even flaming on 350z owners that dont wanna accept reality. A lot of people inquiring are potential buyers that are worried of purchasing a car with an overated engine. The fact is that 350z's make good power I have seen plenty of over 230 wheel hp dynos of stock 350z and g35 6mt cars on dynojets. Same with S2ks, 195whp average or more on stock cars is common. If they didnt , if they dynoed 180whp, people on honda forums , owners and non owners would be furious also and complaining and on a quest for answers.
Again this Thread is about POWER!!!!!! lack of power doesnt mean the car suxs, it just means that, less than advertised power! so please people dont keep ruining the thread while trying to justify to everyone your purchase please. its getting anoying.
If G35's and 350z were missing power a lot of people would be inquiring on the subject (yes on their forums) and yes even flaming on 350z owners that dont wanna accept reality. A lot of people inquiring are potential buyers that are worried of purchasing a car with an overated engine. The fact is that 350z's make good power I have seen plenty of over 230 wheel hp dynos of stock 350z and g35 6mt cars on dynojets. Same with S2ks, 195whp average or more on stock cars is common. If they didnt , if they dynoed 180whp, people on honda forums , owners and non owners would be furious also and complaining and on a quest for answers.
Again this Thread is about POWER!!!!!! lack of power doesnt mean the car suxs, it just means that, less than advertised power! so please people dont keep ruining the thread while trying to justify to everyone your purchase please. its getting anoying.
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Originally posted by Tweety-nator
Hope you are happy now Blue 350Z, this perfectly good thread just turned nasty.
Hope you are happy now Blue 350Z, this perfectly good thread just turned nasty.
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Originally posted by aussie77
Hear hear, Gordon. Yet another well articulated post. I'm sure Blue feels that by laughing at us he is somehow countering our logical arguments. Or something like that anyway
EDIT: By the way Tweety-nator, don't feel bad. I think most if not all of us 8 owners have a respect for the 350Z. Indeed I'm sure Gordon has respect for it also. However sadly true it might be, a large portion of the trolls on these boards are Z owners and blatantly so. Another unfortunate fact is that some of them, such as Blue 350z have no apparant capability to understand logically constructed arguments that respect the differences between fact and opinion. Hence I think Gordon has resorted to the sort of reply which Blue 350z might actually understand... although I think even that is a long shot.
I know that most if not all of us understand that people like him are not representative of the entirety of 350z owners, and as I said we respect the car. Heck it was on my wish-list for a long time before the RX-8 came out Happy driving!
Hear hear, Gordon. Yet another well articulated post. I'm sure Blue feels that by laughing at us he is somehow countering our logical arguments. Or something like that anyway
EDIT: By the way Tweety-nator, don't feel bad. I think most if not all of us 8 owners have a respect for the 350Z. Indeed I'm sure Gordon has respect for it also. However sadly true it might be, a large portion of the trolls on these boards are Z owners and blatantly so. Another unfortunate fact is that some of them, such as Blue 350z have no apparant capability to understand logically constructed arguments that respect the differences between fact and opinion. Hence I think Gordon has resorted to the sort of reply which Blue 350z might actually understand... although I think even that is a long shot.
I know that most if not all of us understand that people like him are not representative of the entirety of 350z owners, and as I said we respect the car. Heck it was on my wish-list for a long time before the RX-8 came out
Happy driving!
I guess my thinking is, can not one love the 350Z and RX-8 at the same time? Are these mutually exclusive?
You are right though, cant blame Gordon for making the reply the way he did. I would too if I was in his position.
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Originally posted by Blue 350z
Its got nasty from people like rx8lover and aussie. Look back and see how many times he started with me for NO reason. I kept a level head ignoring him for the most part. But there comes a point were I draw the line.
Its got nasty from people like rx8lover and aussie. Look back and see how many times he started with me for NO reason. I kept a level head ignoring him for the most part. But there comes a point were I draw the line.
Just a friendly suggestion, cant you guys just PM each other?
09-24-2003, 09:48 PM
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Ouch, Even though I want to, I wont comment on the 350Z negatives, especially with that Saturn comeback. Cooler heads must prevail. No need to draw this out even further.
Ouch, Even though I want to, I wont comment on the 350Z negatives, especially with that Saturn comeback. Cooler heads must prevail. No need to draw this out even further.
I know that Saturn shot was below the belt. I actually do have a lot of respect for the 350Z and it's capabilities, but as aussie77 said, the comeback was purely in the Blue350Z mode - supposed "facts" being trumpeted without any logic or consideration. I just picked one bad review out of the dozens of good ones and harped on that, just as Blue350Z likes to do here.Even now, his only rebuttal is to talk some more about HP ratings and acceleration times. Blue350Z is truely one-dimensional. The HP "issue" actually doesn't bother me at all - I'm perfectly happy with the power I've got in my RX-8, I've never run at a drag strip and never will (although I do track days and autocross), I've got a family and children who like to come with me (try that in your 350Z, Blue - assuming you could even get a date, and then (an even bigger assumption) a second date, progressing to actual intimate relations that you currently can only fantasize about, and eventually a family), and a stylish (inside and out), light, great handling, well-built GT car. Blue350Z just can't get beyond the HP rating, never mind any thought to handling, ride, braking, and other equally important and satisfying performance parameters. A 350Z was never a consideration for me because of the 2 seats and limited luggage capacity, and a G35C was a momentary consideration until I actually tried the tiny back seat.
I feel sorry for Blue350Z and his ignorance. His blind abeyance to the almighty HP rating and dragstrip performance to the exclusion of other aspects of performance leaves him ignorant of the tremendous variety of excellent vehicles out there. I'm sure he figures that a Miata is a chick car and not a sports car, because it isn't very quick in a straight line. But hey, I'm not losing any sleep, and you sure won't see me over at the 350Z forums being a total major league twit and rabbiting on and on about greasy window tracks, rattles and shakes, brake problems, or whatever other problems that are bothering some minority of 350Z owners, trying to convince them they've got a lemon based on my own twisted priorities.
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I cannot believe it has come to this. In Blue350Z's argument, he blatantly bashes the RX8. Do we honestly need this around here? No.
Think what you want, Blue350z. realize that it goes both ways. You will never accept our point of view, and we will NEVER accept yours.
Oh, and please leave. You have nothing constuctive to contribute to this site.
Think what you want, Blue350z. realize that it goes both ways. You will never accept our point of view, and we will NEVER accept yours.
Oh, and please leave. You have nothing constuctive to contribute to this site.
09-24-2003, 10:14 PM
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Trust me, I know what I am taking about, I have a Bachelors in Computer Engineering and a Bachelor of Science degree in Physics, ...
Trust me, I know what I am taking about, I have a Bachelors in Computer Engineering and a Bachelor of Science degree in Physics, ...
I'm sure 90% of cars will do a little better if you put 103 OCTANE in it!!! I have been actually thinking of doing this myself
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Re: re
Leave it to an Aussie to get a sports car and go off roading in it! He says the "stability light" kept blinking going down a dirt country road.. The only time that ever blinks for me is if I am giving it too much gas in the rain or I slip on the snow or ice.
Maybe he should be test driving trucks if he testing on dirt roads.
I gotta post that link on the Z forums, its SO silly. Why would somebody test drive a 350z on dirt roads, then complain of the suspension being too stiff! Its not an off road vechicle, I wouldn't even drive my Z over gravel
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09-24-2003, 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by Blue 350z
He says the "stability light" kept blinking going down a dirt country road.
He says the "stability light" kept blinking going down a dirt country road.
The Oxenford-Mt Tamborine road is a tough, unforgiving section of bitumen
It's asphalt, pavement, you great flaming twit.
And here you go again ranting about dirt roads based on a stupid assumption caused by your own lack of basic reading and comprehension skills. Now you're all smug because you're mocking this writer, when you've so completely and thoroughly misunderstood and missed the point. He's describing a real world, twisting, turning, climbing and dropping, mountainous sports car road. A paved road, to clear that up again for you since you will have ignored the point already.
Of course, you aren't familiar with any of those types of roads because you live your life a quarter mile at a time. Carry on, drag racing man. But PLEASE, carry on somewhere else. A quarter mile at a time, if you must. Just avoid those roads with corners, because so many of them don't even have straight sections a quarter mile long.
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09-24-2003, 10:49 PM
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LMAO! Thats the funnist thing I ever read!
Leave it to an Aussie to get a sports car and go off roading in it! He says the "stability light" kept blinking going down a dirt country road.. The only time that ever blinks for me is if I am giving it too much gas in the rain or I slip on the snow or ice.
Maybe he should be test driving trucks if he testing on dirt roads.
I gotta post that link on the Z forums, its SO silly. Why would somebody test drive a 350z on dirt roads, then complain of the suspension being too stiff! Its not an off road vechicle, I wouldn't even drive my Z over gravel
LMAO! Thats the funnist thing I ever read!
Leave it to an Aussie to get a sports car and go off roading in it! He says the "stability light" kept blinking going down a dirt country road.. The only time that ever blinks for me is if I am giving it too much gas in the rain or I slip on the snow or ice.
Maybe he should be test driving trucks if he testing on dirt roads.
I gotta post that link on the Z forums, its SO silly. Why would somebody test drive a 350z on dirt roads, then complain of the suspension being too stiff! Its not an off road vechicle, I wouldn't even drive my Z over gravel
"spatterings of gravel over bitumen"
FYI, bitumen is asphalt. He is referring to portions of road where gravel has been kicked up over asphalt. Something that routinely happens on twisty rural roads.
How you got an image of Mad Max racing through the Australian outback in a 350z is beyond me.
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Originally posted by Gord96BRG
Perfect, just perfect. You couldn't have illustrated our point better. What he said was
Do you even understand what bitumen is?
It's asphalt, pavement, you great flaming twit.
And here you go again ranting about dirt roads based on a stupid assumption caused by your own lack of basic reading and comprehension skills. Now you're all smug because you're mocking this writer, when you've so completely and thoroughly misunderstood and missed the point. He's describing a real world, twisting, turning, climbing and dropping, mountainous sports car road. A paved road, to clear that up again for you since you will have ignored the point already.
Of course, you aren't familiar with any of those types of roads because you live your life a quarter mile at a time. Carry on, drag racing man. But PLEASE, carry on somewhere else. A quarter mile at a time, if you must. Just avoid those roads with corners, because so many of them don't even have straight sections a quarter mile long.
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Perfect, just perfect. You couldn't have illustrated our point better. What he said was
Do you even understand what bitumen is?
It's asphalt, pavement, you great flaming twit.
And here you go again ranting about dirt roads based on a stupid assumption caused by your own lack of basic reading and comprehension skills. Now you're all smug because you're mocking this writer, when you've so completely and thoroughly misunderstood and missed the point. He's describing a real world, twisting, turning, climbing and dropping, mountainous sports car road. A paved road, to clear that up again for you since you will have ignored the point already.
Of course, you aren't familiar with any of those types of roads because you live your life a quarter mile at a time. Carry on, drag racing man. But PLEASE, carry on somewhere else. A quarter mile at a time, if you must. Just avoid those roads with corners, because so many of them don't even have straight sections a quarter mile long.
Regards,
Gordon
im glad i wasnt on the recieving end of that ....
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Originally posted by Gord96BRG
Sorry about that, Tweety-nator. I know that Saturn shot was below the belt. I actually do have a lot of respect for the 350Z and it's capabilities, but as aussie77 said, the comeback was purely in the Blue350Z mode - supposed "facts" being trumpeted without any logic or consideration. I just picked one bad review out of the dozens of good ones and harped on that, just as Blue350Z likes to do here.
Sorry about that, Tweety-nator.
I know that Saturn shot was below the belt. I actually do have a lot of respect for the 350Z and it's capabilities, but as aussie77 said, the comeback was purely in the Blue350Z mode - supposed "facts" being trumpeted without any logic or consideration. I just picked one bad review out of the dozens of good ones and harped on that, just as Blue350Z likes to do here. Cheers!
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Originally posted by canzoomer
350Z owner on a Mazda forum..
Sucker for abuse I guess!
Maybe next week he will go and get his Z painted with a "flame job" :p
350Z owner on a Mazda forum..
Sucker for abuse I guess!
Maybe next week he will go and get his Z painted with a "flame job" :p
Its getting mighty hot in here :p
oh, wait a minute... I am a 350z owner too yikes!!!! :D
09-25-2003, 12:17 AM
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Did someone say twisty dirt road?!?! I don't even know if this topic is even worth trying to salvage but I'll put in my feelings on the matter.
1.) I think the car is capable of 14s, but I don't think we'll see many if any 14.5s in stock form
2.) I don't think it actually has 238 hp, the dynos say no, the trap speeds say no, and my butt dyno said no
3.) If you enjoy the car and think it's plenty fast #2 doesn't matter
4.) If you expected more power #2 does matter
5.) People don't buy sporty cars for good gas mileage, if you want good gas mileage and a sporty car go get an RSX or choice from a few other cars that fit the bill
6.) Trolls are annoying, but not nearly as annoying as the blind faith fanboy that would defend his car not matter what was said about it (this goes for any car owner)
Bleh... I don't even know why I posted, this thread is out of control.
1.) I think the car is capable of 14s, but I don't think we'll see many if any 14.5s in stock form
2.) I don't think it actually has 238 hp, the dynos say no, the trap speeds say no, and my butt dyno said no
3.) If you enjoy the car and think it's plenty fast #2 doesn't matter
4.) If you expected more power #2 does matter
5.) People don't buy sporty cars for good gas mileage, if you want good gas mileage and a sporty car go get an RSX or choice from a few other cars that fit the bill
6.) Trolls are annoying, but not nearly as annoying as the blind faith fanboy that would defend his car not matter what was said about it (this goes for any car owner)
Bleh... I don't even know why I posted, this thread is out of control.