R3 with no Recaros on ebay...
12-15-2011, 07:49 PM
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12-15-2011, 09:53 PM
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the seats are for sale on this forum
it was up to the dealer to verify the vehicle before signing the dotted line, same for whoever buys it, as mentioned some people cannot fit into or otherwise be comfortable in the Recaro seats, some people on this very forum swapped them out for just this reason, it is no different than any car you buy that was modded by the previous owner. The engine might have different components than factory, the suspension may have different components that factory, the stereo system, the interior, the lighting, etc. etc. etc. So you are reporting nothing. You are only meddling in something that is none of your business and likely they could care less about anything other then selling it to whoever will meet their price.
it was up to the dealer to verify the vehicle before signing the dotted line, same for whoever buys it, as mentioned some people cannot fit into or otherwise be comfortable in the Recaro seats, some people on this very forum swapped them out for just this reason, it is no different than any car you buy that was modded by the previous owner. The engine might have different components than factory, the suspension may have different components that factory, the stereo system, the interior, the lighting, etc. etc. etc. So you are reporting nothing. You are only meddling in something that is none of your business and likely they could care less about anything other then selling it to whoever will meet their price.
12-16-2011, 03:09 PM
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Yes, my driver seat is a little worn because it was a showroom car for a year and had too many rear ends in it. So I priced what new leather covers for one seat would be from the dealer and it was $1700 for the bottom and $3000 for the back. That's just for the parts, not putting them on too. FOR ONE SEAT!!!!!!
That's why I wanted to get these. I made him an offer of $2000 for it but he turned me down. I was going to wait until the end of the ebay bid to see if he'd take something closer to that. But then I saw it on here and thought "now people will know about them." Made him a better offer but he said they're sold.
That's why I wanted to get these. I made him an offer of $2000 for it but he turned me down. I was going to wait until the end of the ebay bid to see if he'd take something closer to that. But then I saw it on here and thought "now people will know about them." Made him a better offer but he said they're sold.
12-16-2011, 07:12 PM
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Indeed. People need to do their homework before they buy/sell anything. If anybody buys/sells something out of ignorance...well...that's their problem.
However, I disagree with the other part of your statement. Even the deepest ignorance is not excuse for bad business. The Recaros - as well as the 19" wheels and body kit - are two of the main unique features of the R3. Removing any one of them would be a big deal since the car then would not be any different than any other RX-8. So why bother having different trims?
That car is not an R3 anymore - especially after learning those damn Recaros are worth thousands of dollars! I would feel sorry for the next person who bought the car without knowing any better. I'm glad somebody from this forum tried to contact ebay and the seller to give them the right facts about the car.
The opposite argument can be made as well to further illustrate. Saying that this R3 without the Recaros is not an issue - in terms of identifying the car - would be like putting the Recaros into a Sport and then try to sell the car as an R3 (just because of the seats).
Stretch the argument even further and remove the 19" wheels/tires and body kit. What would be call the car then!!!!
the seats are for sale on this forum
it was up to the dealer to verify the vehicle before signing the dotted line, same for whoever buys it, as mentioned some people cannot fit into or otherwise be comfortable in the Recaro seats, some people on this very forum swapped them out for just this reason, it is no different than any car you buy that was modded by the previous owner. The engine might have different components than factory, the suspension may have different components that factory, the stereo system, the interior, the lighting, etc. etc. etc. So you are reporting nothing. You are only meddling in something that is none of your business and likely they could care less about anything other then selling it to whoever will meet their price.
it was up to the dealer to verify the vehicle before signing the dotted line, same for whoever buys it, as mentioned some people cannot fit into or otherwise be comfortable in the Recaro seats, some people on this very forum swapped them out for just this reason, it is no different than any car you buy that was modded by the previous owner. The engine might have different components than factory, the suspension may have different components that factory, the stereo system, the interior, the lighting, etc. etc. etc. So you are reporting nothing. You are only meddling in something that is none of your business and likely they could care less about anything other then selling it to whoever will meet their price.
However, I disagree with the other part of your statement. Even the deepest ignorance is not excuse for bad business. The Recaros - as well as the 19" wheels and body kit - are two of the main unique features of the R3. Removing any one of them would be a big deal since the car then would not be any different than any other RX-8. So why bother having different trims?
That car is not an R3 anymore - especially after learning those damn Recaros are worth thousands of dollars! I would feel sorry for the next person who bought the car without knowing any better. I'm glad somebody from this forum tried to contact ebay and the seller to give them the right facts about the car.
The opposite argument can be made as well to further illustrate. Saying that this R3 without the Recaros is not an issue - in terms of identifying the car - would be like putting the Recaros into a Sport and then try to sell the car as an R3 (just because of the seats).
Stretch the argument even further and remove the 19" wheels/tires and body kit. What would be call the car then!!!!
12-18-2011, 09:54 PM
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12-19-2011, 09:46 AM
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it was up to the dealer to verify the vehicle before signing the dotted line, same for whoever buys it, as mentioned some people cannot fit into or otherwise be comfortable in the Recaro seats, some people on this very forum swapped them out for just this reason
So you are reporting nothing. You are only meddling in something that is none of your business and likely they could care less about anything other then selling it to whoever will meet their price.
So you are reporting nothing. You are only meddling in something that is none of your business and likely they could care less about anything other then selling it to whoever will meet their price.
Sounds like a fantastic plan, honestly.
You know he got more for the Recaro's than he spent on the Sport's seats.
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12-19-2011, 10:08 AM
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There were a lot of comments on the post here where he was selling those seats. Hey it might be a great business deal for him, but it is NOT a good deal for anyone buying that car, and it looks like the dealer (whom he traded that car to, and is now selling it) thought those sport seats were a R3 option.
Imagine the price shock of anyone who buys that car and then discovers it should have had recaros and tries to replace those recaro seats .The car is NO longer a true R3 and to advertise it and sell it as an R3 is a lie.
So the guy swapped the seats for cloth sport ones, traded the car to a dealer as an R3, sold the recaros and made his big profit. He should not be applauded here for his actions, he is a dishonest person in my book.
Imagine the price shock of anyone who buys that car and then discovers it should have had recaros and tries to replace those recaro seats .The car is NO longer a true R3 and to advertise it and sell it as an R3 is a lie.
So the guy swapped the seats for cloth sport ones, traded the car to a dealer as an R3, sold the recaros and made his big profit. He should not be applauded here for his actions, he is a dishonest person in my book.
12-19-2011, 11:38 PM
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So an R3 is an R3 because of the front seats? I dont think so. If i put the recaros in a base rx8 i cant call it an R3.......just the same as taking the recaros out its still an R3. Rediculous. I agree with everything Team said...
12-20-2011, 07:52 AM
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As far as I know, the R3 never came from factory with the option of regular cloth seats. Also, no other RX-8 ever came with Recaros from factory. Correct? Therefore, one would think the Recaros on the R3 are a "unique" feature of that trim/model only.
I guess at the end it's up to the buyer to determine whether or not the differences between trims/models are worth the money. But those differences - as significant or insignificant as they can be - are there for a purpose. For example, I mostly bought my 40th AE because of the interior - even though I know the car is basically a Grand Touring in most other aspects.
That R3 without the Recaros is actually a significant downgrade in trim level. At least, if the previous owner would have swapped black leather seats from a Grand Touring. But cloth seats from a Sport, damn, that's just like an insult for that R3!!!
That car has no identity anymore
12-20-2011, 10:01 AM
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This is a scam, this guy is such an *******. no doubt.
but on the other hand, the dealership probably never noticed it, even so they wouldn't cared, they just sell it back out the way it was, it will be up to the next buyer who's responsible for all the "check and see if it's right"
dealership is no different tho, they scam people everyday, they love idiots. so I would say if the dealership knows about this whole thing and still trying to sell it as R3, they're even a bigger ******* than the original owner. if they don't know the whole thing then well, they deserved it. Karma is a bitch.
but on the other hand, the dealership probably never noticed it, even so they wouldn't cared, they just sell it back out the way it was, it will be up to the next buyer who's responsible for all the "check and see if it's right"
dealership is no different tho, they scam people everyday, they love idiots. so I would say if the dealership knows about this whole thing and still trying to sell it as R3, they're even a bigger ******* than the original owner. if they don't know the whole thing then well, they deserved it. Karma is a bitch.
12-20-2011, 10:52 AM
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There were a lot of comments on the post here where he was selling those seats. Hey it might be a great business deal for him, but it is NOT a good deal for anyone buying that car, and it looks like the dealer (whom he traded that car to, and is now selling it) thought those sport seats were a R3 option.
Its up to the next person who considers buying that car to know that there are supposed to be different seats in it, bring it up with the sales team, and negotiate the price of the car nearly $3k lower than what they're asking.
If they don't know about it, and they buy the car as is, for the current asking price, then THEY made the determination that the car was worth that much to them. Just because you and I wouldn't buy that R3 with those seats for that price has no bearing on how someone else might value the car.
What if there's someone out there, right now, wishing they could own an R3, with the nicer body package, fog lights, suspension and tires, but they can't drive it for their long commute because of the uncomfortable seats, and they wish the car came with the same seats as the Sport... ?
Heck, I know if I could have bought the R3 with the Sport Seats, I would have gone for it when I was shopping. Height adjustment meant a lot to me, as that would mean both myself and my gf could drive the car on the track. She's short, and I'm tall.
So I bought a Sport instead, and saved a bunch of cash.
There might be someone out there looking for that very car, right now.
Just not on this forum, right now, anyway.
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12-21-2011, 09:46 AM
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And that's just it.
Its up to the next person who considers buying that car to know that there are supposed to be different seats in it, bring it up with the sales team, and negotiate the price of the car nearly $3k lower than what they're asking.
If they don't know about it, and they buy the car as is, for the current asking price, then THEY made the determination that the car was worth that much to them. Just because you and I wouldn't buy that R3 with those seats for that price has no bearing on how someone else might value the car.
What if there's someone out there, right now, wishing they could own an R3, with the nicer body package, fog lights, suspension and tires, but they can't drive it for their long commute because of the uncomfortable seats, and they wish the car came with the same seats as the Sport... ?
Heck, I know if I could have bought the R3 with the Sport Seats, I would have gone for it when I was shopping. Height adjustment meant a lot to me, as that would mean both myself and my gf could drive the car on the track. She's short, and I'm tall.
So I bought a Sport instead, and saved a bunch of cash.
There might be someone out there looking for that very car, right now.
Just not on this forum, right now, anyway.
BC.
Its up to the next person who considers buying that car to know that there are supposed to be different seats in it, bring it up with the sales team, and negotiate the price of the car nearly $3k lower than what they're asking.
If they don't know about it, and they buy the car as is, for the current asking price, then THEY made the determination that the car was worth that much to them. Just because you and I wouldn't buy that R3 with those seats for that price has no bearing on how someone else might value the car.
What if there's someone out there, right now, wishing they could own an R3, with the nicer body package, fog lights, suspension and tires, but they can't drive it for their long commute because of the uncomfortable seats, and they wish the car came with the same seats as the Sport... ?
Heck, I know if I could have bought the R3 with the Sport Seats, I would have gone for it when I was shopping. Height adjustment meant a lot to me, as that would mean both myself and my gf could drive the car on the track. She's short, and I'm tall.
So I bought a Sport instead, and saved a bunch of cash.
There might be someone out there looking for that very car, right now.
Just not on this forum, right now, anyway.
BC.
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12-21-2011, 10:05 AM
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As for the latter part, then I guess its a good thing the guy sold his car and left.
Ultimately, it was his car, and his choice to make.
There isn't anything any one of us can do about the situation.
BC.
12-21-2011, 12:46 PM
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I replaced my r3 wheels with Volks and you can bet your *** its still an R3 (guess what? The wheels are even worth more than the seats)! It will be sold as such as well if comes the day. Not one of you lil buggers will have any say about it either, nor will anyone be "reporting" anything. Nor will I be deceitful or dishonest in my actions for selling MY R3 as an R3. If that means I cant be an rx8club member anymore, then oh well and lol!
12-21-2011, 12:52 PM
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It's the same thing with Miata M Editions.
Some dealers advertise non Ms as M Editions.
Some Ms don't, and you might get a deal because the dealer doesn't know.
Other Ms have lost their seats over the years or the M Edition wheels were removed. They're still M Editions to me.
That said, I still wouldn't buy it.
Some dealers advertise non Ms as M Editions.
Some Ms don't, and you might get a deal because the dealer doesn't know.
Other Ms have lost their seats over the years or the M Edition wheels were removed. They're still M Editions to me.
That said, I still wouldn't buy it.
12-21-2011, 08:21 PM
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No, I don't agree with you.
I think we should all get in line, and think the exact same thoughts all the time.
Why should we allow people to think differently then me, anyway?
They're wrong most of those times, anyway.
BC.
I think we should all get in line, and think the exact same thoughts all the time.
Why should we allow people to think differently then me, anyway?
They're wrong most of those times, anyway.
BC.
12-22-2011, 07:15 AM
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hey guys, I have found one without the recaros as well, and I'm actually considering trading my 2011 mazdaspeed 3 for it, what y'all think? it's a 2010 r3 with leather seats.
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail...nal&listType=1
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail...nal&listType=1
12-22-2011, 07:24 AM
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hey guys, I have found one without the recaros as well, and I'm actually considering trading my 2011 mazdaspeed 3 for it, what y'all think? it's a 2010 r3 with leather seats.
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail...nal&listType=1
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail...nal&listType=1
12-22-2011, 07:45 AM
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At least they're the S2 power leather seats and they're heated so it's not as bad as the other guy. Also he matched the interior panels with the leather seats so it doesn't look as tacky. You should point out they're not the R3 Recaros, and lower your offer on it as you can get an R3 with the seats for that price.