is rotary really good?
11-09-2005 | 03:38 PM
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On the torque subject, how many gasoline 1.3l engines make around 160lbs, not any that I can think of, hell we are just now seeing 4 cylinder engines making that much at 2.0l or more. So for the size the rotary makes damn good torque. Just my .02
11-09-2005 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by sikofitall
Hey I've got a sentra with a blown out tranny for sale with ur name all over it, that way u can have something to do instead of whining about the greatest machine ever built.
LOL
too funny
11-09-2005 | 06:05 PM
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Who would have thought?
Originally Posted by terrypk1
hi. i have being a rx8 owner for half an year now. 03 6speed black.
i start wondering why i even bought that car now after seeing all the good numbers from many inline 4 cars or flat four cars. but i really want to find my feeling back. because when i bought it, i really love it a lot. i wax and wash the car every weekend. and everyday after school, i will spend one hour to just exam and dust off all the dirts. i used to love the car with my heart. since is winter here in vancouver, the car is my garage everyday hardly drive it at all.
after reading about all the new cars, i am confused.
why there are people love rotary engine when it is not a better engine at all. it has a poor fuel economy and heats up easily. low torque. and no acceleration at high RPM.
can some body please tell me why?
i need to find my pride against those piston heads again.
i start wondering why i even bought that car now after seeing all the good numbers from many inline 4 cars or flat four cars. but i really want to find my feeling back. because when i bought it, i really love it a lot. i wax and wash the car every weekend. and everyday after school, i will spend one hour to just exam and dust off all the dirts. i used to love the car with my heart. since is winter here in vancouver, the car is my garage everyday hardly drive it at all.
after reading about all the new cars, i am confused.
why there are people love rotary engine when it is not a better engine at all. it has a poor fuel economy and heats up easily. low torque. and no acceleration at high RPM.
can some body please tell me why?
i need to find my pride against those piston heads again.
Never mind that the RX8 took first in class in road racing last year and the triple crown this year. Never mind that the RX8 took the top nine spots in AutoX nationals, and never mind that it is the most user friendly sports car in the world.
The best dyno guys is the checker flag. The RX8 sure seems to getting there first alot for such a slow car.
As for the true displacement size of the engine depending on who is measuring the displacement it will be either, 1.3/2.6/3.9. Once you hit 6K the RX8 can get up and go. Properly measured the displacement is much larger than publicly rated. Could be why insurance rates are for the most part some what reasonable.
RX8 is not an economy car, it is a sports car that happens to have 4 doors and 4 seats.
As for the claim of low torque and power. Interesting, the club I am with gets together once a year in Washington state at the Apple Blossom Festival and the car clubs from around the state ie vett club, mustang club, rotary clubs etc. are part of three parades. One of the parades is dedicated exclusively to car enthusiasts. In that particular parade the rotary cars bring up the rear because it is the biggest club with the most car, everything from RX3 through the RX8s 35 to 50 cars some years. It is interesting that for cars with no torque as the saying goes, with the crowds encouragement, we switched off the DSL and took our turn and lit of the cars for the crowd. In other words we did our best to give the crowd a show. One after the other, RX7 first then each RX8 lit up and turned the air blue with tire smoke and showed that yes rotary engines can turn the car sideways with torque on standing starts with the best of them on controled burn outs. The real dyno is on the street/track where it really counts.
And to you or anyone else who says the RX8 is slow and does not accelerate, maybe we could get as many RX8s as possible together at a road track somewhere, and there and then I and others who really know will show you just how slow an RX8 is not. Stuff your dyno’s, get the car on the track where the rubber meets the road and not the roller. Then tell me about the performance.
Are Mazda RX cars #1? That would be an understatement. From the very first RX2s and 3s, the might Cosmo 3 rotor, to the RX8, there is noting like the Mazda RX cars and there never will be anything like them.
Comparing a piston engine to a rotary is like comparing the proverbial apple to the orange.
On yea, we might have to do a bit of aftermarket adjustment to overcome the import requirements imposed by the US government, which dampen the max potential, but that is in part the fun of it all.
Unlike you, I like most who secured one of the first RX8 to be delivered in 04, did not get my RX8 to get anyone’s approval, I got my RX8 because it is one of the most unique cars in the world. As for the mods to date are not done to get a pat on the head and accolades from those in the club on what great choices I made. The mods are great because they are my choices and they please me. The mods done on all the other RX8s are just as great for the same reasons.
Or just solve your personal challenge and sell your RX8 to someone who would really appreciate it, for it is well worth the appreciating.
11-09-2005 | 06:14 PM
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Eventually everyone will realize that horsepower numbers aren't everything, and the auto world will be a better place.
I mean come on. For example, the 2nd fastest car ever tested by Top Gear (around their track) had 300hp. The rest of the top 5 were over 500 i believe.
I mean come on. For example, the 2nd fastest car ever tested by Top Gear (around their track) had 300hp. The rest of the top 5 were over 500 i believe.
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11-09-2005 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by terrypk1
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after reading about all the new cars, i am confused.
why there are people love rotary engine when it is not a better engine at all. it has a poor fuel economy and heats up easily. low torque. and no acceleration at high RPM.
can some body please tell me why?
i need to find my pride against those piston heads again.
after reading about all the new cars, i am confused.
why there are people love rotary engine when it is not a better engine at all. it has a poor fuel economy and heats up easily. low torque. and no acceleration at high RPM.
can some body please tell me why?
i need to find my pride against those piston heads again.
1.3L
maybe there's just something wrong with your car. I can tell you without a doubt that the acceleration does not drop off after 7K RPMs with a healthy engine.
11-09-2005 | 06:48 PM
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I read this thread this morning and figured it wouldnt live past lunch, but yet here it is. Flipping through this guys other posts, he seems like an ambiguous troll that more than likely doesn't even own an 8. They all seem to be negative anti-8 posts about lack of power and how other cars are so much better. Stop feeding the trolls.
11-09-2005 | 07:00 PM
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Not feeding, educating, and probably confusing. A troll expects "stfu stoopid noob!!1!, rotaries pwnzrs all" instead they get rational responses (for the most part) about the benefits and liabilities of the engine. 
11-09-2005 | 07:04 PM
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I agree, an educated troll is a better consumer in the long run. Unless, they are incapable of learning. 
BTW, I can't wait until I get mine. Woohoo!!!!
BTW, I can't wait until I get mine. Woohoo!!!!
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11-09-2005 | 07:09 PM
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What isn't different about a rotary
[QUOTE=YT1300]Rotary engines are unique in the automotive world; virtually every other vehicle is a variation of the Otto or Diesel cycle
The rotary is an Otto cycle engine. This is a four-stroke cycle: intake, compression, combustion, exhaust. Each of the three segments of the Renesis' rotor completes these four cycles as the rotor makes a complete revolution.
What is different about the rotary is that is goes through these cycles while spinning eccentrically in an elliptical container, rather than going up and down in a cylinder. Its lack of poppet valves is different than current conventional engines, but in the past some great cars, including Daimler, used sleeve valves that are essentially the same as the Renesis setup.
Mitch
The rotary is an Otto cycle engine. This is a four-stroke cycle: intake, compression, combustion, exhaust. Each of the three segments of the Renesis' rotor completes these four cycles as the rotor makes a complete revolution.
What is different about the rotary is that is goes through these cycles while spinning eccentrically in an elliptical container, rather than going up and down in a cylinder. Its lack of poppet valves is different than current conventional engines, but in the past some great cars, including Daimler, used sleeve valves that are essentially the same as the Renesis setup.
Mitch
11-09-2005 | 07:20 PM
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If he owned one he wouldn't wonder why he bought it.
I went to a dealership to collect some prize I won and didn't have anything going on that afternoon so I tooks some cars for a test drive.
1st: Neon SRT4, torque steer pretty bad, loud stock exhaust (makes it seem like it should be going faster than it is) doesn't even compare to the 8 in cornering, didn't seem any faster either.
2nd: Nissan Maxima okay car for the night on the town, not thoroughly impressed
3rd 2003 Pontiac GTP, decent pickup, smooth ride, nice options, but heavy
I then took the salesman for a ride in my 04 Silver 8 and he was thoroughly impressed and I had only gotten it up to 65mph on a curvy road.
This is my first rotary and I loves it the same as the day I drove it home.
I went to a dealership to collect some prize I won and didn't have anything going on that afternoon so I tooks some cars for a test drive.
1st: Neon SRT4, torque steer pretty bad, loud stock exhaust (makes it seem like it should be going faster than it is) doesn't even compare to the 8 in cornering, didn't seem any faster either.
2nd: Nissan Maxima okay car for the night on the town, not thoroughly impressed
3rd 2003 Pontiac GTP, decent pickup, smooth ride, nice options, but heavy
I then took the salesman for a ride in my 04 Silver 8 and he was thoroughly impressed and I had only gotten it up to 65mph on a curvy road.
This is my first rotary and I loves it the same as the day I drove it home.
11-09-2005 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Dragonrider
As for the claim of low torque and power. Interesting, the club I am with gets together once a year in Washington state at the Apple Blossom Festival
dude you were at appleblossom?!?!! so was i the last 2 years? how did we not meet?!?!! or am i just be forgetful?
11-10-2005 | 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by RX-Hachi
Not in my car. My car pulls the hardest at around 8000-8700 rpm. It even knocks my head back into the seat in that range. Only problem, it's all too short lived, as the redline arrives in an instant.
If you want to feel better, go out and test drive some of these other cars that you think are better. I believe you'll return with a greater respect and love for your car. Except for the Lotus Elise and the Honda S2000, I doubt you'll find a non-turbo 4 banger that provides a better performance package.
If you want to feel better, go out and test drive some of these other cars that you think are better. I believe you'll return with a greater respect and love for your car. Except for the Lotus Elise and the Honda S2000, I doubt you'll find a non-turbo 4 banger that provides a better performance package.
yeah the RX8 feels like your arms and legs, but the integra also gives me the same feel and it has more acceleration in fourth and fifth gear. i didn't choose it for it was FF. STi has too much understeer.
i guess the RX8 are pretty good for its' price. sorry my bitching.
11-10-2005 | 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by StealthTL
....that has to be one of the saddest posts I've ever read.
You "love it with my heart", you spend hours just detailing it, then when you read some claims about "other cars" you want to sell it, hide it in the garage.
Sad.
You own the car with the highest redline in the world.
You have a real four-door sportscar.
Vancouver doesn't even HAVE a "winter"....get your sad self out, and cruise it on Robson! Get some pride back, and quit obsessing about numbers - if numbers was all that counted, we'd all be driving SRT Neons!
S
By the way....you're not whining, are you?
You "love it with my heart", you spend hours just detailing it, then when you read some claims about "other cars" you want to sell it, hide it in the garage.
Sad.
You own the car with the highest redline in the world.
You have a real four-door sportscar.
Vancouver doesn't even HAVE a "winter"....get your sad self out, and cruise it on Robson! Get some pride back, and quit obsessing about numbers - if numbers was all that counted, we'd all be driving SRT Neons!
S
By the way....you're not whining, are you?
I can not picture my shinning black 8 driving in raining days. i hate dirt and mud on my car. yeah i was even thinking to put my car into a dispaly case for the winter.
11-10-2005 | 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by wisconsinben
I love the rotary because, as a mechanical engineer, I view it as one of the most cleverly engineered machines around. 3 moving parts instead of 40 (approximation for a standard piston engine) is INCREDIBLE!
The other reason to own this car is simple. It's a true sports car...with 4 usable seats...for less than $30,000. There is no other car currently in production that has these 3 attributes. The RX-8 truly is UNIQUE!
NOTE: This was a great post to write. It really made me remember why I fell in love with this car in the first place.
The other reason to own this car is simple. It's a true sports car...with 4 usable seats...for less than $30,000. There is no other car currently in production that has these 3 attributes. The RX-8 truly is UNIQUE!
NOTE: This was a great post to write. It really made me remember why I fell in love with this car in the first place.
i really want to find the first feeling back when i got the car.
11-10-2005 | 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by MTLbroker
The rotary's compact dimensions allows it to be placed lower in the chassis and further back in the engine bay than a piston engine (if I can beleive Mazda's propaganda). It gives the car handling characteristics that would not be possible if weight was distributed otherwise. An engineer can give you the heads up on low polar moment, yaw characteristics, whatever.
Me, I'll subjectively tell you that I like the rotary not for its hp rating, torque rating, or fuel economy. I like it for the handling characteristics it gives the car. The other 4 passenger car I would have considered g35, did not feel nearly as much fun to throw into a corner. The g35 needs a very deliberate line in a curve. The 8 lets you go into a curve too hot, allow you to stand on the brakes, tiptoe around potholes, change lines at speeds that have other people on the road giving you the one finger salute. A couple of other cars that I looked at were s2000 and Boxster, but those were 2 seaters. However, they have the kind of go-cart handling that I was looking for.
Here's a link I got from another thread. When I read it, I nodded my head, "Yeah, that's us."
http://www.crash.net/uk/en/news_view...=26&nid=121878
Me, I'll subjectively tell you that I like the rotary not for its hp rating, torque rating, or fuel economy. I like it for the handling characteristics it gives the car. The other 4 passenger car I would have considered g35, did not feel nearly as much fun to throw into a corner. The g35 needs a very deliberate line in a curve. The 8 lets you go into a curve too hot, allow you to stand on the brakes, tiptoe around potholes, change lines at speeds that have other people on the road giving you the one finger salute. A couple of other cars that I looked at were s2000 and Boxster, but those were 2 seaters. However, they have the kind of go-cart handling that I was looking for.
Here's a link I got from another thread. When I read it, I nodded my head, "Yeah, that's us."
http://www.crash.net/uk/en/news_view...=26&nid=121878
btw, didn't the 8 lost in a 24 hours competition in england. i saw that in fifth gear.
11-10-2005 | 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Red Devil
Take your car to a track event and you'll feel differently about the 8. Horsepower is fun and intoxicating, but not everything.
and i hate autocross, i got no money for slicks. and the autocrosses here are dominate by stupid 94-97 miatas.
11-10-2005 | 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Vertigo-1
The RX-8 was both my first car and my first rotary powered car. Having owned it for a year, I will definitely say that I hope to own a rotary powered car for the rest of my life. And should I financially ever not be able to afford one in the future, I will always be eternally grateful for having the chance to own a rotary powered car. I absolutely love this engine.
There's a lot more to it than it being just yet another engine to power a car. It's got a wonderful history of ups and downs behind it. This is an engine that inspired passion in engineers...this wasn't just another engine to them either, you had people in Mazda demanding to be made a part of the team that developed the rotary engine. This is an engine that inspires passion in the driver to just simply drive for the fun of it...it personifies the spirit of driving.
It's really not about HP or torque or gas mileage with rotary engines. It's about an engine that's just so incredibly fun in nature. If you gave me a Geo Metro equipped with a rotary engine, I'd probably be just as happy with it as I am with the RX-8.
At this moment in automotive history...there is nothing, NOTHING I'd rather drive every single day more than the RX-8. You can just feel the passion the engineers had in building this car. I just simply connect to the car, and man and machine become one as we hit those twisties in union. Absolutely pure bliss.
There's a lot more to it than it being just yet another engine to power a car. It's got a wonderful history of ups and downs behind it. This is an engine that inspired passion in engineers...this wasn't just another engine to them either, you had people in Mazda demanding to be made a part of the team that developed the rotary engine. This is an engine that inspires passion in the driver to just simply drive for the fun of it...it personifies the spirit of driving.
It's really not about HP or torque or gas mileage with rotary engines. It's about an engine that's just so incredibly fun in nature. If you gave me a Geo Metro equipped with a rotary engine, I'd probably be just as happy with it as I am with the RX-8.
At this moment in automotive history...there is nothing, NOTHING I'd rather drive every single day more than the RX-8. You can just feel the passion the engineers had in building this car. I just simply connect to the car, and man and machine become one as we hit those twisties in union. Absolutely pure bliss.
good. point. maybe i could feel the connection when i am on the track sometimes.
11-10-2005 | 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by rotary-convert
troll troll troll.
thats what I smell.
This is just some girl or guy who really doesn't give a crap about the 8 who is trying to understand why we love a car that seems pointless and underpowered to him/her. Then going and telling all his buddies how the 8 sucks and we're all stupid for driving one. I don't blame you for asking, just be honest or maybe read the forum and see how much people love this car. Besides, there is no such thing as an 03 RX8. I should know since I have a very early 04 model.
quit wasting bandwith you bandwith hog!
thats what I smell.
This is just some girl or guy who really doesn't give a crap about the 8 who is trying to understand why we love a car that seems pointless and underpowered to him/her. Then going and telling all his buddies how the 8 sucks and we're all stupid for driving one. I don't blame you for asking, just be honest or maybe read the forum and see how much people love this car. Besides, there is no such thing as an 03 RX8. I should know since I have a very early 04 model.
quit wasting bandwith you bandwith hog!
the big problem which i just realized is that i thought that the rx8 sucks because i just compared the numbers. i didn't get a good chance to drive any good car like S2000 and 350Z. the best i ever dirven was a STi. that was a thrill to drive put a big price to pay.
11-10-2005 | 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Dragonrider
Ever since the first idiot put his RX8 on a dyno, everyone started whining.
Or just solve your personal challenge and sell your RX8 to someone who would really appreciate it, for it is well worth the appreciating.
Or just solve your personal challenge and sell your RX8 to someone who would really appreciate it, for it is well worth the appreciating.
thank you for writing all these out. so yeah when are you guys going next time in washington state. i will go there myself. i don't think that i really know how to drive a 8. i really need to learn how to feel my 8.
can you please teach me a bit about it?
when i am driving it, i don't feel that i am in tune with my car. it made me feel like a monkey on a high tech rocket.
thanks.
11-10-2005 | 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by NoTears316
I read this thread this morning and figured it wouldnt live past lunch, but yet here it is. Flipping through this guys other posts, he seems like an ambiguous troll that more than likely doesn't even own an 8. They all seem to be negative anti-8 posts about lack of power and how other cars are so much better. Stop feeding the trolls.
11-10-2005 | 02:19 AM
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here are the pictures of my car. please do not laugh at the sticker. yeah.
anyway, the name of my car is "Night Kids"(don't laugh. i like the name).
it belongs to my brother's rotary racing team NERV.
anyway, the name of my car is "Night Kids"(don't laugh. i like the name).
it belongs to my brother's rotary racing team NERV.
