RX8_GT

Actually I think the reason that eBay / PayPal does not allow this is that it is in violation of their agreements with VISA/MC/AMEX. John

MEGAREDS

I've had ebay ads pulled by frivolous complaints. In my case, the complaint was that my auction for a PDA violated a patent that had been filed against the manufacturer. Ebay simply refunded my fees and asks me to straighten it all out... if the seller insists, as I did, it seems that they send an affidavit stating that the auction complies with their terms of service. In my case, I had to ask a friend to do a patent search which turned up a lawsuit in New Jersey in which the complaining party lost on appeal. I hate the scam ads, but it really sucks on the other end too - I was mad as hell and it tooks weeks for me to sell the PDA. My point: just because an ad gets pulled does not mean it's a scam. I suspect any serious complaint to Ebay results in the ad being pulled..

93rdcurrent

I am posting this from my e-mail this morning. Here is the results of e-bays investigation:

Hello,

Thank you for contacting eBay Motors Safe Harbor with your concern. My
name is Quinlan and I will be happy to help you.

Please be aware that the item you were interested in has been ended
early and all bids have been cancelled, as it appears that the seller's
account has been compromised and used by an unauthorized third party.
The seller's privileges to trade on eBay may be temporarily suspended
while we investigate this matter further.

Some eBay members have reported receiving messages asking for User IDs
and passwords or stating that eBay has a warehouse and has inspected the
item in question or even stating the eBay has insured the seller to
forestall possible fraud. These messages appear to come from eBay or
other legitimate companies, but in fact do not. It is important to
remember that eBay will never ask for sensitive information of this
nature through email and that eBay acts only as a venue for buyers and

sellers and does not handle any of the items listed on the site in any
way.

If this seller contacts you to complete a transaction outside of eBay,
we strongly recommend that you ignore the request. Transactions of this
nature are not covered by the Buyer Protection services offered by eBay.


If you have already sent payment, we advise you to take steps to protect
yourself depending on the nature of your payment. For example, if you
paid by personal check, you may stop payment on the check. If you paid
for this item with a credit card, you should contact your credit card
company's security department right away to inform them of the potential
problem with this payment -- most companies provide consumer protection
in these circumstances. If you have made a payment by money order or
wire transfer, you may contact that company for further information at
1-800-325-6000 (Western Union), or at 1-800-926-9400 (Money Gram).


Please note that we do not recommend the use of instant cash wire
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Original Message Follows:
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Form Message %42300% 031403
Subject: IV%P10091 Non-Selling Seller [#MO US ?01 -01]

User Feedback: 3
User State: ?01

Browser Info: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)

Topics > eBay Policies > Rules for Sellers > Non-Selling Seller;
24.18.54.110

Reporting member: loe93 3
Member being reported: tg1532 217 !43433! 090802

Item number(s): 2462366259 $MO


Supporting email from member:


Customer concern: I and others I know have tried the buy it now feature
but apparently there is no such option. It looks like a fraudulant sale.
Can this be looked into. The buy it now price doesn't seem to work and
the listing contradicts itself in a couple of places. Note the manual

transmission vs. automatic and used vs. new showing on the listing. It
doesn't appear that the price they listed this car for is the price they
intend to sell it for. Also the dealership has the price listed on the
internet for $29,950.00. What is going on here?

Sea Ray

Ok, I just received this from the seller after I asked for information directly. Judge for yourself.



Hello and thank you for contacting me

I will tell you a few words about the car.
First of all the car is almost new and looks just like in the pictures.It is in imaculate condition and has no schrach on and hasn't been involved in any accident.
The motor runs very well and has a service book also the tires are almost new.
The title is clear ,it is not a salvage one and has only one owner till now.It was bought from an authorized dealer.The car can be easily retitled to your name with no problems.
The car belongs to my brother.He died two weeks ago in a bike accident.
The car is now in Denmark as my brother lived there.I am now here as i took care of the funerals.
Because i can't carry all his things back home i am selling them.
I am willing to sell it and ship it to any of the UE countries or to US.I will not ship to any African,Asian or Eastern European countries.
I know that the price is low but i have no use for the car and I want to get back home as soon as i sell it.
I want to sell the car asap so I am willing to pay 25% of the shipping fees no matter the location.
I require a deposit of 3000USD.The money is a reservation for the car.First one who makes the deposit will be the buyer.I need the deposit to be sure that you want the car and in order to proceed with shipping and all the aditional export taxes.

I wait your further questions and i will provide any infos you need.

Thank you

Regards

Oh, his name is Robin Peterson incognito54@msn.com

Outlaws eXtreme

I wonder why he used another dealer's car's pic and also their VIN # then... since the car at the dealership is still there.

Sea Ray

Nobody ever said you have to be smart to be a crook. Just smarter than your victim.

Speed Racer

I would be very leary of an ad like that. One of my friends is currently trying to straighten out the ramifications of a scam.

As of right now, it sounds like the person (scammer) bought a car off of eBay and wanted it shipped to Africa. They sent a cashiers check which covered the cost of the car and freight. Then immediately asked the seller to refund the amount of the freight.

If the scam goes as planned the seller sends out a check for the amount of the freight before they realize that the cashiers check is bogus.

They also give bogus info in the event that they get busted and the scary part is that they have actually figured out a way to falsify Caller ID info. If the seller calls the number listed they will actually call a complete stranger and this is how my friend became involved.

In the last week he has been called by a couple of angry people that got ripped off, a detective in Ohio, and the Secret Service!

To make a long story short, the person running the scam lives in Nigeria and the Secret Service said that they can't do anything to prosecute him!

DisneyDestroyer

Sounds like a new version of the standard Nigeria 419 scam: here's my cashier's check, now please send me your money. Oops, my cashier's check was bad and yours was good. Sucks to be you.

ptiemann

Look what I just found, I posted this in the LOUNGE as well,

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...K%3AMEBDW%3AIT

a brand-new Pontiac GTO ($33k) sold for $12k. I had placed a bid of $204 and $209, I think, but were outbid, obviously ;-)

I wonder if that dealer (it's actually only 20 miles from me) did follow up on the sale or if they tried to pull out.

Japan8

Check out this replt I gto back from the seller:

Hello and thank you for contacting me

I will tell you a few words about the car.
First of all the car is almost new and looks just like in the pictures.It is in imaculate condition and has no schrach on and hasn't been involved in any accident.
The motor runs very well and has a service book also the tires are almost new.
The title is clear ,it is not a salvage one and has only one owner till now.It was bought from an authorized dealer.The car can be easily retitled to your name with no problems.
The car belongs to my brother.He died two weeks ago in a bike accident.
The car is now in Denmark as my brother lived there.I am now here as i took care of the funerals.
Because i can't carry all his things back home i am selling them.
I am willing to sell it and ship it to any of the UE countries or to US.I will not ship to any African,Asian or Eastern European countries.
I know that the price is low but i have no use for the car and I want to get back home as soon as i sell it.
I want to sell the car asap so I am willing to pay 25% of the shipping fees no matter the location.
I require a deposit of 3000USD.The money is a reservation for the car.First one who makes the deposit will be the buyer.I need the deposit to be sure that you want the car and in order to proceed with shipping and all the aditional export taxes.

I wait your further questions and i will provide any infos you need.

Thank you

Regards



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93rdcurrent

Did you not read my post on page 2? I asked e-bay to investigate this sale and it has been ended early. The person who posted it apparently used another e-bay members ID to post the ad without authorization. e-bay has said as much that this was a scam. It is no longer being advertised.

Japan8

No I did. I investigated this on my own long before you posted that. I just found the email in my junk box and decided to post it up as an example for people. I am perfectly aware it's a scam... that email screams that. As someone whom has used ebay a bit and an IT engineer, one would hope that I could spot those sales.

Elara

This happened a few days ago too when my husband and his friends found a dual G5 for some insanely low price. When they emailed the guy, he told them he was "borrowing" a friend's account. Needless to say, eBay got rid of him really quick once it was pointed out.

Sea Ray

Ok, here is the 2nd e-mail from the guy explaining how this will go down. Interesting how he makes it look like he is the one taking the risk. Pretty slick. Everyone please be careful.



Hello again

The price I hope to obtain is 10500$ (this price includes the 25% shipping to your door and insurance) and if you agree
with this price we can start to complete the transaction.
As i've told you,in order to proceed with the deal i need a deposit of 3000USD.The payment must be done using a money order service.
I prefer money order because in this way i will ship the car in the same day you make the payment.As i've said my brother lived in Denmark and now i arrived here to take care of his funerals and to solve his problems here and i want to get back home asap.

l'm a fair trader with a very good feedback on ebay which is the proof that l have closed
a lot of sucessful deals.
During this period l learned that the best deals are closed when the risk involved is
minimum. You will arrange payment through western union(www.westernunion.com) .You receive and inspect the
machine you have to send me the rest of the money.The inspection period for it is 3 days.
I have something safe for you because I want you to be sure that you will
receive the vehicle and I hope we will colaborate in future too .
Look what I can do for you:
-you will make the transfer to my location but not to my name(you will use
your best friends name for example as receiver's name)so you can be sure that i will
not pick up the money untill you get the car.So you will make a deposit at western union
and you will give me the transfer's details(SENDER NAME,RECEIVER NAME,MTCN) so i can
check that the deposit was made .(this will only take a few hours because i can check it online on www.westernunion.com)
After i verify I will send you the car imediately.
-only after you will receive the car and check if it is ok you
will have to change the of the transfer to my name so i can collect my money.
So untill you will have the vehicle at your door the money will be deposited on your
best friend's name at western union agent.
I think it is better to not inform western union that you will
change the receivers name in a few days because it is possible they ask you to pay the
fees twice(fees that are quite big for such an amount) also when you go to an western
union office to make the transfer,please don't tell there the reason for you send the
money because here in this country I must pay somes aditional taxes when I receive the
founds.Please say you send the money to your friends or to your partener.
My old buyers of course make the transfer at western union direct to my name which is
easier and i will be happy if you can trust in me but because it is our first deal i
proposed you this very safe and efficient method so you can only deposit the money
first and after you get the car to allowed me to cash it.

After you've completed the transfer you will receive a confirmation that will alow me to track the transfer.
Here are the details that i need:
-sender name and address
-receiver name will be me
-exact amount wired
-MTCN # (10 digits)
-if it is possible a scanned copy of the receipt format .JPEG for me to add to the files
As soon as the payment will be confirmed and the money properly sent, i will IMMEDIATELY
proceed with shipping .
I will ship the vehicle via Lufthansa Airplane Cargo insured and It will take 72 hours until you will have it at your door.
The payment is fully refundable if for any reason you do not accept the vehicle or
if it has scratches, hidden defects, or it is not as advertised. I will even pay for
the shipping back to my location if you reject the vehicle but since it is a state of
the art machine and works and looks perfectly I think it would get to this.
After you check the car and do all the tests with it you must send me the remaining part of the amount directly to my name
Here is my name and adress you need for the western union transfer:
First name: Robin
Last name: Peterson
Address: Vestre Kirkevej 12
Zip code: DK-4000
City: Roskilde
Country: Denmark
If you agree with these terms,let me know and i will be more than glad to
start to complete the transaction with you.
Thank you and I hope that you will have the pleasure to drive this machine.

Kind regards.

Senseny

Several of us should contact this bogus seller and see how many $3000 deposits he is willing to accept for the same "car".

MadDashRX8

On a lighter note, I find it humorous that the guys name is Robin. Short for robbing, maybe?

Hope no one falls into his scam...

42ITUS

Just for kicks, I sent a reply and said to hold the car because I'll pay $2K more than anyone up till $20K. I asked to give me their number or to give my lawyer a call and the transaction would be completed. as expected.... no reply yet. If it gets any better I'll let you know.

93rdcurrent

Maybe if we bug this guy enough the scam will seem less worth it...