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1stgen8

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Take it from someone who has owned at least 10 - 12 hondas.....I'd get the 8. If you are thinking about the 8 like I was your going to end up with one at some point. Something about the looks of the car that has always made me want one. My previous car was a modded 02 SI hatch. Trust me it gets really old after a few yrs of waisting money on something everyone esle has. I went from slightly modded, to modded & supercharged, then back to all motor w/ a k24 engine swap. I could easily out run an 8 but guess what....I still got rid of the damn thing. I did look at the new si's when they came out thinking not many ppl have them...yeah right, not yet anyways. The price of the Si was about the same as the 8 so it was a no brainer for me. I bought a brand new 05 GT in June of this year for $24878 OTD. I love the looks of the 8 over the new si and it has a much better ride then any honda I've ever driven....even the s2k. Sure a modded civic will out run a modded 8 any day but who cares. If your are looking to beat the crap out your car then go with the civic cause it will be less expensive to repair. If you want a ride that demands respect, handles like no other and when dressed up nicely makes girls cream their pants then go with the 8....ha ha ha...had to throw that part in. I'm married and right after I bought the 8 my wife said, "I never liked that damn civic you had anyway."

SayNoToPistons

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Im sorry... too lay to read. but what type of car is he looking for and how will he use it? thats the main question.

therm8

You have posted 9 times in this thread in the past 2 days. Not once constructively. You lose all credibility in determining who is being foolish.

rxtreme

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Seriously, CarandDriver, you own an 8 (supposedly) and are trying to shove a Civic down this dudes throat.

Personal story: I sold my RX-8 when I deployed to Iraq and when I returned, I owned a lightly modded RSX type s for about a year, test drove the new Si, and still opted for another (used) RX-8. Despite all the "issues" you may be hearing, the RX-8 does fine in terms of reliability and is hella fun. I don't know why you don't consider the new Mazdaspeed 3 on your budget and requirements - that's no doubt the best bang for your buck right now. I have not test drove one, but it blows the door off any Civic provided you can get one at MSRP.

Note: I have nothing but respect for Honda built products, but until they offer a refined version of that new K23 turbo in a lightweight, rear or AWD TSX-like coupe or sedan, I will stick with Mazda.

My $ .02.

robertw

i've done some research and the only reason im not at a mazda dealership right now getting a rx-8 is the engine flooding problem. it's not a big deal if it is covered by the warranty but what happens when the warranty is up. and i read it gets worse as the car gets more miles put on it. i dont want to go somewhere and i stall and my engine floods. it seems to be a real pain, all the work that has to be done to get it to start is a bit scary, and how harmful is it to the motor when it floods? i can live with everything else about the car but that just seems a bit serious that it can be flooded so easily, and it makes the car seem tough to be a daily driver. my friend had an rx-7 and it never flooded, i never even knew that was possible.

therm8

You can flood any car. It's just easier to flood a rotary powered one. As long as you follow "the rules" it is easily avoidable. Don't shut it off cold, for more than a few minutes. Put that one in your playbook and you'll likely never have to worry, barring some crazy random event.

Don't believe everything you read from non rotary sources. 99% of those people are just repeating crap that they've heard from other people who were repeating crap, and don't know anything of substance about the engines.

CarAndDriver

I don't really care what your opinion is or anyone else's who follows you like a lemming. You can continue to expend wasted effort to help those too stupid and lazy to search or those who don't know anything about the car they drive or a car they wish they drove.

CarAndDriver

My "supposed" RX-8 was driven by me today. Some pics of my black 8 are posted on this site. And your imaginary 8?

This young driver is better served with a Civic Si. Clearly not ready for an 8.

CarAndDriver

Waste your time then.

mysql101

I would get the RX-8 new, but that would put it out of the 20k price tag.

In your position, and for your price range, I'd be considering the Mazdaspeed 3.

Shoafb

yea right, no disrespect but go and try and flood any 2005 + car and let me know when you get it to flood. Go ahead... name the car you can get to flood.

mysql101

He said "You can flood any car."

Keyword is "can" He didn't say you'd be as likely to flood.

chrism

i have a 2k4 rx8 and have never flooded it....all you have to do is either shut it off warm or rev to 3k rpm for 10 seconds and you will be ok.....no worries!

BlueSky

I'd say get a MS3 instead of the RX8 and especially the 07 Si.

Shoafb

I know but my point is you would have to really try, and even then you might not be able to get it to flood. How many accidental floods do you think mazda gets from their other cars?

mysql101

Agreed. I haven't tried to press my luck, but I have a feeling it's harder to flood the RX-8 with the latest PCM flash and the upgrade batt/starter.

Shoafb

How do you get the upgraded bat and starter?


I think mazda should be putting these in during the engine recall/checkout. Do I have to flood it to get this done? I really don't want to do that

mysql101

if you complain about a hard start issue, they might do the install. I had the upgrades done when my car finally flooded.

Dinhx8

dude, the joke isn't that funny to begin with, especially after you keep doing it like 10 times.

sunilseru

Am I the only one that thinks the Mazdaspeed 3 looks disgusting? Price difference aside, if I were to buy an ugly car then it would be the STi or the EVO without that hideous wing...

map

I think it looks great. They augmented the look of the 3 to accentuate the performance aspects without overdoing it to the point that it looks silly.

Shoafb

I agree. It might be a little funky but the MS3 is priced a bit below the STI and EVO?

Hej

And you will apparently continue to expend wasted effort to bitch and moan about this guys thread, rather than just ignoring it completely. Do you think it's possible that maybe he started this thread because he DOES want to know about the car he buys?

Freddie

Well, here's how I see it... You can buy the Si and put the extra money into some mods and maybe end up with a car that's faster than the RX-8. And compared to the 8 it will probably be lower maintenance. But, it will still be a Honda Civic. If you get that and are OK with it, then you should buy the Si.

BTW, "Si" = "Yes" in Spanish.