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Originally posted by Sputnik
Not only that, but Ferrari's, Lambo's, Porsche's, NSXs, Supras, etc, and even race cars need to be revved to get into the power band. It's the nature of most high-revving sports car engines
Not only that, but Ferrari's, Lambo's, Porsche's, NSXs, Supras, etc, and even race cars need to be revved to get into the power band. It's the nature of most high-revving sports car engines
So you're saying that the only way that you get decent acceleration out of a Ferrari is to rev it to redline? Not true, those cars have more than enough power and torque at even 3000 rpm to pin you back in your seat. The Lamborghini has a six liter V-12 which is a serious torque monster. You wouldn't even need to redline the lambo to beat (hypothetical )99.9 percent of the cars out there today. The only way the RX8 can hang is to redline the car, which is not a big deal. The RX8 and Lamborghini engines both burn gasoline. You can end all the comparisons after that.
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I'm not buying the RX8 because it is "gutless" in the low to mid rev ranges. The RX8 may be a perfect car for you, but it is far from perfect for me.
I'm not buying the RX8 because it is "gutless" in the low to mid rev ranges. The RX8 may be a perfect car for you, but it is far from perfect for me.
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Originally posted by Elara
I thought most people downshifted when performing the "sports car pass"- I know that when I drove my dad's first generation SHO, which had PLENTY of torque at the time it came out, I always downshifted when I was trying to blow by someone- it was just the nature of the beast. I've also noticed in our '95 SHO, which is an automatic, anytime you REALLY step on it when you're already moving, it seems to downshift to get more power. I suppose I could be wrong, but isn't that what's supposed to happen? Unfortunately, those two cars, and my husbands BMW, are really my only experiences with any type of performance vehicles.
I thought most people downshifted when performing the "sports car pass"- I know that when I drove my dad's first generation SHO, which had PLENTY of torque at the time it came out, I always downshifted when I was trying to blow by someone- it was just the nature of the beast. I've also noticed in our '95 SHO, which is an automatic, anytime you REALLY step on it when you're already moving, it seems to downshift to get more power. I suppose I could be wrong, but isn't that what's supposed to happen? Unfortunately, those two cars, and my husbands BMW, are really my only experiences with any type of performance vehicles.
As zoom44 stated, you "nutshelled" it!!!
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Originally posted by m477
Also, nobody can answer my challenge of finding just ONE rotary that broke due to revving, and NONE of the detractors here have ever actually driven a rotary-powered car.
Also, nobody can answer my challenge of finding just ONE rotary that broke due to revving, and NONE of the detractors here have ever actually driven a rotary-powered car.
By the way, no one has answered can the RX8 still get decent performance when seated 4, even revved into its powerband?
And somebody said Ferraris, Lambs, etc need to rev high to get into their powerband. I don't think so. Lambs have 6.0L V12 engine, and how are you going to rev this car? Those are performance cars, and they have enough torque that can burn tires even in third gear.
However, I do agree with some of your points. The rotary engines need to be revved just like the S2K, NSX, and other "sports cars". The reason why we bring up the torque issue is because the RX8 is so so so nice, we don't want people to "laugh" at the RX8 because it's unable to catch up others. Driving excitment is important, but I really don't want to see the RX8 being beaten.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I do not think RX-7's overheat b/c of constant revving. Older 1st gen and 2nd gen do not overheat like the FD and are also revved. The FD overheated because of the turbo setup which is not in the RX-8.
Also, I do not see any S2000 owners complaining about lack of torque. They enjoy the car for what it is.
Also, I do not see any S2000 owners complaining about lack of torque. They enjoy the car for what it is.
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Originally posted by quicks8
Personally I am hoping that something will be done about the whole torque issue aftermarket. Nissan in conjunction with Nismo will be offering aftermaket performance mods at the dealerships that will NOT void your warranty on a 350Z. I am hoping that Mazda will do the same with MazdaSpeed or something like that. I think that will make A LOT of people a little more satisfied with the power issue the car has.
Personally I am hoping that something will be done about the whole torque issue aftermarket. Nissan in conjunction with Nismo will be offering aftermaket performance mods at the dealerships that will NOT void your warranty on a 350Z. I am hoping that Mazda will do the same with MazdaSpeed or something like that. I think that will make A LOT of people a little more satisfied with the power issue the car has.
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Originally posted by melvincat03
If you happen to know any street racers, you would know what the FD's biggest problem is...Overheating. They said the RX7s always overheat after continuous high revving. This is why we talk about the torque issue. Can we really rev the hell out of the engine all the time? What about fuel consumption, durability, mechanic failures due to frequent high revving? If the Renesis solved the overheating problem, fine!
If you happen to know any street racers, you would know what the FD's biggest problem is...Overheating. They said the RX7s always overheat after continuous high revving. This is why we talk about the torque issue. Can we really rev the hell out of the engine all the time? What about fuel consumption, durability, mechanic failures due to frequent high revving? If the Renesis solved the overheating problem, fine!
By the way, no one has answered can the RX8 still get decent performance when seated 4, even revved into its powerband?
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Originally posted by m477
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Wrong. Overheating was caused by the twin turbo system. Educate yourself: http://www.rx7club.com.
Ok! So without the turbo, you'll still rev the hell out of the rotary, right. If I happen to pass by an overheating normally aspired RX8 in the future, I'd be glad to meet you!
You can use any highschool physics textbook for this one...
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Wrong. Overheating was caused by the twin turbo system. Educate yourself: http://www.rx7club.com.
Ok! So without the turbo, you'll still rev the hell out of the rotary, right. If I happen to pass by an overheating normally aspired RX8 in the future, I'd be glad to meet you!
You can use any highschool physics textbook for this one...
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Originally posted by melvincat03
What? Common sense would say it's not enough.
What? Common sense would say it's not enough.
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Originally posted by chenpin
It was one of the first sequential turbo (meant to deal with lag).
It was one of the first sequential turbo (meant to deal with lag).
melvincat03, you're really just arguing for arguing's sake: either add something to it, like reason, fact, or information, or shut up.... god, we really do have enough of these kinds of threads already.
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Originally posted by wakeech
no, it was the first ever sequential turbo system ever in a production car, and i've not really heard of any other production cars trying a sequential system either
no, it was the first ever sequential turbo system ever in a production car, and i've not really heard of any other production cars trying a sequential system either
I promise this is my last post. Or if I do post again, I will not bring up the torque issue. Sorry is I ruffled a few feathers. I said earlier that the RX-8 is far from perfect for me. That isn't exactly true. The only thing that is stopping me is the torque issue. And the only way to find out if the car is for me is to drive the thing. Everything else is almost pure speculation.
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Originally posted by Spoonie
The Last generation Supra Turbo had the sequential turbo setup.
The Last generation Supra Turbo had the sequential turbo setup.
Besides, the title of this thread is Demand. There are so many things to talk about (see the 1st page 1st message). The purpose of this thread is to seek the RX8's goods and bads. If nobody criticizes anything, then how can the Mazda people know our thoughts??? It's all for the betterman of the RX8. Please don't have only YOUR way! We want the RX8 to be a winner!
It's all right Spoonie. You're not wrong. It's just that somebody is way too stubborn. Please continue to post!
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By the way, no one has answered can the RX8 still get decent performance when seated 4, even revved into its powerband?
The following info comes from CarTest2000, an interesting program available at cartest2000.com that calculates and predicts car performance. I plugged in the info that I could find & from MazdaUSA.com and ran the performance tests. As these are software projections they should be considered theoretical rather than factual.
Test.....RX8-MT.....RX8-w/4
0-30.....2.14.........2.45 sec
0-40.....2.91.........3.34 sec
0-60.....6.11.........6.78 sec
0-70.....7.35.........8.41 sec
0-100..14.44.......16.65 sec
¼ mile..14.4..........15.1 sec
.......@100mph...@96mph
Top
Speed...156mph.....155mph
Fuel Economy
City......20.4mpg.....19.3mpg
Hiway...28.6mpg.....28.6mpg
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Originally posted by melvincat03
Why somebody like wakeech so serious about it???
Why somebody like wakeech so serious about it???
...all that aside, it's a good thing to voice opinions certainly when they're clearly thought out, and bring a new perspective (even on an old subject).
btw, i didn't know the JZE had sequential turbos: i figured they were parallel just like in the Nissan 6cyl engines (the V in the Z, and the I in the Sky hee hee) of the 1990's... neato. ummm... k. i'm gonna have to learn about Toyota's system now!! :D
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Originally posted by wakeech
no, it was the first ever sequential turbo system ever in a production car, and i've not really heard of any other production cars trying a sequential system either.
no, it was the first ever sequential turbo system ever in a production car, and i've not really heard of any other production cars trying a sequential system either.
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All this rev talking is kinda futile no? Its like which came first, the egg or the chicken.
I still havent seen or drove a rx8 yet (at the dealers), but i have driven the 2004 maxima, and i would have to say, for all those wanting more Torque, get the maxima. 1 exciting peice of a$$.
Maxima and the 8 are in diff class, but they both have 4 doors, and do about 6 sec in 0-60. Maxima's torque is crazy, I didnt have to down shift at all to pass by cars, the8 might be a more engaging experience on the race track, but on a daily drive and occasional FWY race, i think the maxima might be the car for you.
I am in the minority, so i wont bug you guys too much, although i am a big RX-8 Fan. Has anyone actually seen and driven a RX 8 in so cali?
I still havent seen or drove a rx8 yet (at the dealers), but i have driven the 2004 maxima, and i would have to say, for all those wanting more Torque, get the maxima. 1 exciting peice of a$$.
Maxima and the 8 are in diff class, but they both have 4 doors, and do about 6 sec in 0-60. Maxima's torque is crazy, I didnt have to down shift at all to pass by cars, the8 might be a more engaging experience on the race track, but on a daily drive and occasional FWY race, i think the maxima might be the car for you.
I am in the minority, so i wont bug you guys too much, although i am a big RX-8 Fan. Has anyone actually seen and driven a RX 8 in so cali?
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How was the Maxima otherwise? I was designated driver for a batchelorette party last night, driving a 2000 Maxima...the steering drove me nuts, because it was squishy, imprecise, and I couldn't feel the road. I was also disappointed in the torque- I had to really step on it to get it to do anything(and this was with anything from 2-5 of us in the car- it didn't seem to make a difference). It also felt like I was driving a really big, heavy sedan (which I guess it is). I know they were fixing the torque issue, and from what you stated, TheSack, they did- but how was the rest of it?
Sorry guys, I realize this is off topic, but I've heard so much about the Maxima that the minute I heard that someone had driven a new one I was curious about their impression.
Sorry guys, I realize this is off topic, but I've heard so much about the Maxima that the minute I heard that someone had driven a new one I was curious about their impression.
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The torque steer is maddening. I dont know if you driven the Altima yet, but its like that, cept more crazy. Even with the Limited Slip Differential (only comes in Manual) Its like riding a mule. Automatic (5 psd on the SE models) were kinda fun toodrive, just step on the gas and let it romp.
The manual is totally awesome, all that torque makes u pass anything with out down shifting. Going up hill? no problem, all the way through 1-6.
I was about to get the 8 but now i dont know. After test driving and seeing what the maxima goes for fully loaded. ($31k .. msrp is 34 fully loaded) I m not sure if i want the Rx8, but im still waiting to drive the 8 in hopes that it will be more of a engaging ride.
The manual is totally awesome, all that torque makes u pass anything with out down shifting. Going up hill? no problem, all the way through 1-6.
I was about to get the 8 but now i dont know. After test driving and seeing what the maxima goes for fully loaded. ($31k .. msrp is 34 fully loaded) I m not sure if i want the Rx8, but im still waiting to drive the 8 in hopes that it will be more of a engaging ride.
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Originally posted by chenpin
I would say that but I've seen people get in flame wars over production dates (mostly with the Supra) so I avoided that with my "one of the first" line.
I would say that but I've seen people get in flame wars over production dates (mostly with the Supra) so I avoided that with my "one of the first" line.
anyhoo, it's my business to nitpick: keeping the facts straight is half the battle... but if it was that close (i didn't know that the 5th gen (it was the 5th, right?) supra was built in 1992) then you were definitely more correct.
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Actually, Mazda is credited with the first sequential twin turbo production car not due to the FD, but the JC Cosmo (3-rotor twin turbo), which came out in '88 or '89 IIRC.
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Originally posted by m477
Actually, Mazda is credited with the first sequential twin turbo production car not due to the FD, but the JC Cosmo (3-rotor twin turbo), which came out in '88 or '89 IIRC.
Actually, Mazda is credited with the first sequential twin turbo production car not due to the FD, but the JC Cosmo (3-rotor twin turbo), which came out in '88 or '89 IIRC.
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