amen... beat that horse!

:D

http://www.989eq.com/horse/horse.jpg :D

Um, I really like the RX-8, .. but... 0.5 seconds is a LOT!

While compared to the lenght of a human life you may speak of "only half a second", do you realize how far a car pulls at 60 mph in that half second?

I think it's like 3 car lengths difference.

So don't say "only 0.5 seconds faster"

I raced against an M5 the other day, I thought my car was accidentally in neutral because I seemed not to move at all and the M5 was gone. The M5 is "only 0.9 seconds faster" hahahaha



-Peter

.5 secs is probably even more than 3 car lengths at extremely highly acceleration. There's no way an 8 can out run cars that got like 300hp. What happened with the M5, your 8 stalled or missfired?

the 8 is not a car to be on the same comparison as the STI or M5. That being said, it still does have very respectable performance numbers. And with the price, I can spend an extra $1000 or so and get an extra 25+hp (canzoomers mod) to keep up with the 350Z. The 8 with that extra pop would surprise a few of these high torque straight liners !

But lets face it, the 8, the EVO, STI, G35, 350Z are all great cars in their own class

I agree Broker...

Now lets leave give this dead horse some dignity and leave him alone!

:D

I was with you til you said straight liners... Do you even have the slightest clue how well a STi, EVO, M5, or even Z handle? You make it sound like they're old hotrods or something. Also, stock STis are breaking into the high 12s 1.5-2 seconds may not sound like much but that's a LOT of carlengths as was pointed out.

A lot of you may think the EVO and STi are ugly but there are a lot of people out there that really like the way they look, and there are also a lot of people out there that don't think the RX-8 looks so hot. Stop acting like your opinion is a universal one!

Amen, from some of the posts here you would think that the RX8 looks and handles like an Enzo and is only "a few seconds slower". :p

Wow! 14 pages!

OK, see ya... ;)

?? you guys bug us about getting touchy. All I was saying was Ike and a few have focused on straight line performance etc. I never said anything in my post about the EVO or STI or 350Z not being good handlers? they all are, as well as the 8.......now I know there is no pleasing you guys, and with all these posts you guys put on here, you have to wonder????? wow
My point was just tp say that the 8 has respectable performance, and with a little extra $$, it makes it much more complete !
Hell, a buddy of mine spent crazy $$ on a Jag that will not out run an 8, but I don't bug him about it being slow. Every car has a certain unique feature that sets it apart. I think the EVO and STI are good cars, just different than the 8. The 350Z is also different, but the closest comparison is the G35. I have driven one many times and there is little difference in performance, yet is costs more $$. Still a great car, but personally I think the 8 is better bang for your buck, and even with spending an extra $1000, I can have better performance than the G35, and overall it still costs me less. But just my 2cents.

I think one would call this reeling :p The way you worded it, you certainly made it sound like you were calling the G35, Z, Sti, M5, and EVO high torque "straight liners". Read it again and I think you will see the confusion. And for the last time stop comparing modded cars to stock cars, mod for mod you will lose to those cars, especially the FI cars.


P.S. You have a very Merry Christmas as well Broker!

IKE, you just won't accept the G35 is not much different than the 8 in performance?? R&T needed a high RPM launch to get a 14.6sec 1/4 mile in the G35? Sounds close to me.
Oh yes, the whole pre-prod. comparison again........There is not much difference between the 2.
Both cars are faster than most on the road, but if you compare it to a 350Z, or EVO etc, then yes they will lose. And I was comparing the cost of the 8 (with a modded stage one kit) to that of a G35 and making reference to the fact that it still cost me less, and I feel I get a better car. Now go have some Egg nog and enjoy the Holidays. Sounds like we all need a few !

you guys keep saying if you race a sti or g35 or zyou are going to lose. lose what? my virginity?, my sanity?, my pride?, my freedom?, my religion? who cares? the only place it matters is on the track. all these cars are great cars. please no egg nog. Happy Holidays!

We're just magazine racing at this point, but it's all we really have I suppose... Consider this, in the G35 comparison of the G35 and RX-8 (the RX-8 that did a faster time than all but one RX-8 owner that we know of)

The
G35 trapped at 100mph
RX-8 96mph (still faster than even Ito trapped and a few MPH faster than many RX-8 drivers have been able to trap)

1/4
G35 14.2
RX-8 14.5

Ok, drivers race to this point with the edge to the G35

0-100
G35 14.2
RX-8 15.8

That's a lot of carlengths

0-130
G35 26.8 seconds
RX-8 33.5 seconds

That's a lot of buslengths, and I'm getting another beer as we speak :D Eggnog is for tomorrow :p

actually

0-100 was 14.9 for the G35
0-100 was 15.9 for the 8

so yes, advantage G35, but close on 0-60 and 1/4mile

R&T had the G35 at 14.6 1/4 mile with 98.6mph

pretty close to the 8.

Isn't it fair to say that Canzoomer's mod gets the car back to "true hp" with the 8 (248+hp). I know that may sound stupid, but with the ECU being slightly re-tuned, this mod probably takes the car close if not better than the test cars R&T where using. I know, an odd comparison, but just a thought.

The C&D time is a little faster than average and the R&T time is slower than what a good driver should get. Another example of why I don't like R&T, C&D always seems to get consistently good times and seem to have excellent drivers that know how to get the most out of each car, However, R&T and MT will be all over the place, sometimes they can match the time of C&D and what other good drivers will get at the strip but often they're a lot slower. With a good driver I would say the RX-8 is probaly a 14.7-14.8 car with a good driver and the G35 is a 14.3-14.5 car with a good driver, though the G35 will be more forgiving of a lesser driver due to the torque. Yes it's pretty close at that point, probably not as close as you envision it, but certainly close enough to make the driver be a big factor in the race. Once you get up to higher speeds the G35 should start pulling hard and that difference will not be made up by canzoomers mod. Even considering the highest RX-8 dyno and canzoomers claim of 25 WHP the RX-8 will be making around 210-215whp.

I tried to find a dyno for a stock G35 but had no luck but if Infiniti is being straight with the HP of the engine and the drivetrain lose is where it's supposed to be the G35 should be making 235-240whp with the MT which should still be enough to make the heavier G35 faster over the modded RX-8. There are other factors like gearing and drag, which has better of each I'm not exactly sure, but judging from the numbers there's nothing wrong with the G35s gearing and drag should be about the same.

Yeah but the sheer beauty of the 8 causes sti,evo,g35,350z,s2k drivers to stare in awww while the 8 peels away effortlessly into the sunset and wins the race easily. sure all your stats suggest how slow the 8 really is but it doesn't factor real world circumstances. Get a clue IKE....;)

Why bump a 3 year old thread? And why did I just add another bump?

DARKMAZ8 has been doing that all weekend. I shall call him, Sir Bumpalot.

how else will rx8club members know where they are in life if they never know where they came from?

I bought the RX-8 by the way. Dunno why I bothered to reply to a resurrected.

I had almost forgotten what a moron Russell was/is.

he sounds brilliant to me :hahano:

:mdrmed:

I wish my crap would design a turbo 8.

I rather liked this one...

Damn Dean, this scared me for a second. I thought you went to the dark side! :nono:

Feelings hurt?

Nope again. I just thought it was funny since Polak's thread is still a sticky in competition racing and no one else is running mag times.

I looked at the STi too, and just couldn't get past the Fast and Furious image that comes with it (unfortunately). I hate that movie for the image it cast upon fast, affordable cars.

The STi is not just a boosted Imprezza that someone did in their garage. If you can deal with the F&F image and harsh ride daily, then get it.

reasons to get the 8

1. Wankel engine
2. Smooth like a v8
3. better all round practicle car.
4. A true sportscar
5 luxury and comfort
6 Damn good looking(sexy)
7. 9.5k redline
8. Most fun to drive
9. More fun to be seen in
10. Easy to own
11. It's a keeper
12. etc.

If this wasn't such an old thread I'd have something to say about that list.

Scared you? It scared me?! I completely forgot about this thread that when I saw it again, I was like "Who the hell posted using my screen name?" LOL

I have this theory when it comes to cars and threads like this... You knew the whole time you were going to buy the RX-8, the only reason you made this thread is that fear that you're making the wrong decision, not because you were actually considering buying a different car. So you make a thread on a car forum full of owners of that particular car so you can hear the answers you want to hear and feel ok with your big purchase. I bet you never even test drove the STi, did you?

I'm not slamming you, I understand it's a big purchase, and have probably made a thread or two like this myself in years past. I've just seen this very same type of thread over and over again, and the outcome is always the same and the answers are always very predictable, unless there's some fan of the other car on the forum... ;)

^ bingo

Big can of worms you opened...

when i was deciding whether to buy the RX-8, i was also considering the EVO IX or the STi... I liked the evo 9 better so ultimately it was a decision between the evo or the 8 (pls note: the STi 2.5 version was not released here yet until a month after i bought the 8).

The evo looks too aggressive for work, and thus i chose the 8.....

The reasons why i chose the 8 over the evo:
Looks - nothing can beat the 8 for looks
Engine - This was not enough research on my part. I actually believed this little 1.3 would produce 238hp... I was also concerned about the tunin issues with the evo's new mivec engine....
Handling - perfect balance was great and i really wanted a car to corner in (that said both STI and EVO 4WD are really great)
Price - The 8 is cheaper than the Evo and sti by about $20k (USD $10k) in my country...
Potential - I believed that turbo charging an already furious engine would make it zoom zoom (Little did i know about compression)
These are some of the reasons i chose the 8. My reasoning is what i saved on the 8 by not buying the evo, I would spend it on performance modifications....

Now that i actually have an 8 here is what i have to deal with:
Lack of performance options - The 8 doesnt have the amount of performance parts that the evo or sti has options too..
Lack of torque - the 8's 1.3 engine is really lacking the the torque department....
Engine mods - becoz the engine is quite new, ppl are still unsure of what to do to strengthen the engine. Plus the lack of rotary specialists in my country contributes to this problem. High compression also sucks...
An modded STI/WRx will almost always beat an 8 - A simple boost controller will make the sti/wrx a force to be reckoned.... A simple swap of turbo will make it fly...
4wd - Launches will always be slower than the 4wd. THat said the 8 is a great handling car.


These are some of the issues i deal with. Granted most of what i am worried about has to do with performance. But ultimately i am happy that i chose the 8. It is so unique (abt 20 in my country). Although the engine is not really known about, I enjoy learning about it and work hard to find good solutions to make this a better car.... The Interior and exterior is also a blessing and i often find myself staring at my car.... There are lots more issues to consider but it's really a personal choice...

Since u are after performance, i hope what i said helps. At least now with a turbo i can keep up with my frens in their STi's, Evo's and S15's...

:hahano:
Thanks for the laugh!

I laugh everytime I see a sti or Evo. Can you say kiddie clown car. It's performance attributes don't impress me. It's only advantage is higher torque and awd. Your car is too raw in every sense. It's not practical and not a real sports car. It's a hotrod made to perform like a sportscar. Not even in the same league as an rx8. A rally car is it's true function. I suppose you do alot off road rally events in your hood hey. Only then is it performing it's true fucntion. The rx8 is better for dailey driving. Sti's/Evo are little freak cars, unfunctional in the real world of driving in traffic. I'd rather have a highpowered SUV. At least I'd be driving a grownup's car. I have more insults so Elara :kiss: please close this dumb ass thread.

KJ238, I'm not sure what country you're in, but there's some weird things about what you said.

First, a STi will beat the crap out of a RX-8 off the line no modifications necessary. Second, the RX-8 engine does make 238hp (232hp with the new standards).

In general, most of what you said seems to indicate you didn't really do much research (which you did admit to) so I'm not sure what or who this helps. I think the issue was "why are people making threads when they already know that they're going to buy the RX-8".

In general, I do think we get too many "what should I do" threads, but in the end what does it matter. If I have to sift through more threads so that someone feels they got personalized advice, then so be it. I'm sure we've all done it in one way or another.

Wow, you really need to grow up. You have some real issues. Seriously, what's your problem? You feel the need to interject yourself into every STi/Evo thread and talk about how much better the RX-8 is. Then, you don't want to hear anyone else's response, so you ask for the thread to be closed after you post. I guess you are easily intimidated by superior automobiles. The funny thing is, you don't even talk about any of the real advantages that the RX-8 may have over the STi/Evo, such as price.

It's a shame that your experience with cars is so limited that you think the RX-8 is the be all and end all. All true car enthusiasts that I know of have a great deal of respect for the STi and Evo, even though they may not drive one. It's a shame that you are so immature and such a fanboi that you cannot appreciate the STi and Evo for the great machines that they are.

It's obvious that you have never driven an STi or Evo. I much prefer my daily-driven STi over our RX-8. It is much more fun to drive, looks way more masculine and aggressive, gets much more respect on the street, better gas mileage, and more practical. I find it humorous that you think your MAZDA is some ultra-luxury supercar that everyone bows down to when they see it. Get real.

Ok You've givin your rebuttle and that's fine. I don't interject myself until the end and not untill these stupid EVo threads have gone on for 16 pages. I don't test drive the EVo/sti because I can't get past the way it looks standing still. It flunks the first and most important test for me. Your entitled to your opinion. Let's move on and stop torturing us with your STi/ Evoism. It's not a sportscar and not like the rx8. Two very different cars.

The point is, you put your 2 cents in on EVERY STi/Evo thread, and all you can ever talk about is that the RX-8 looks better. This is very subjective. I think the RX-8 is round, bulbous, non-threatening, and feminine looking, while the STi is mean, aggressive, and masculine. Try talking about something that isn't so subjective.

Then you have no room to talk AT ALL about the Evo/STi. Here you are talking about how much more comfortable and streetable the RX-8 is, yet you have never even set foot in an STi or Evo!

Please point out the statements that "torture" you with my "STi/Evoism". I try to present a balanced view of the RX-8 and STi/Evo. You are an RX-8 fanboi who bashes every car that isn't an RX-8. All your posts do is show that you know nothing about the STi/Evo and are very insecure with your RX-8. I have said in many posts, on this forum and others, that I really enjoy driving my wife's RX-8.

And I certainly agree that they are two different cars, and that neither of them are sports cars. Both have 4 doors and seat 4, can't be a sports car! However, unlike you, I can appreciate both cars for what they are, and I have respect for both cars, even though I think the STi is a much better machine. Maybe as you grow up, you will be able to respect both cars, too.

^^ Can't you see that you're asking RX-8 owners to "bows down to (the STi/Evo) when they see it", and that you yourself think that the "(STi/Evo) is the be all and end all"? Don't want to call you a fanboi, but it's clear "you cannot appreciate the (RX-8) for the great (machine) that (it is)". I'm not sure how you can think that one car is "a much better machine" and still declare that you have respect for the other (unless you're using a very specific definition of 'machine')

Most of your recent posts are rather overly critical of the RX-8, although i must admit a lot of the stuff the other 8 owners post is a little too rosy.. but still, replying "thanks for the laugh" is condescending, and thus, inflammatory, leading roaddemon to overreact.

Anyway, i do think the 8 is more luxurious compared with the STi or Evo, although that doesn't make it a 'luxury' car.. sorta like being the 'fattest fashion model in Milan'..

Haven't we been down this road before? You like the way the STi and Evo looks, then turn around and call the RX8 a feminine looking car. So you're doing the same thing he is and then you have the audacity to talk BS to him? Come on now! I think the Evo/STi are great performance cars but they offer nothing for me in the looks department. That's my opinion. The performance of those two cars don't make up for the loss of artistic design on the outside.

You don't have to think a car is the greatest of all-time to have respect for it. I have respect for the SRT-4 for what it is. It is cheap and very fast. For those who are interested in speed at a low cost, it is the way to go, and I respect that.

Yes, overall, I think the STi is a better machine than an RX-8. It way outclasses the RX-8 in terms of performance, gets better gas mileage, is more practical, looks more aggressive, etc. HOWEVER, I also like the RX-8 for what it has to offer: high-revving engine, smooth shifter, fun to drive factor, all at anywhere from $3000-$10,000 LESS than an STi (depending on equipment). It is a great car for my wife, sporty, fun to drive, moderate performance without being more than she can handle.

That is how I can respect both the STi and the RX-8.

I was merely pointing out the fact that looks are very subjective, and instead of talking about looks being an advantage for the RX-8, try talking about the things that it really does have an advantage in. I like the way the RX-8 looks, just in a different way than I like that way that the STi and Evo look.

The rx8 is a true sportscar. The only one of it's kind because of the rotary and ability to transport 4. It's a big sportscar but still everything a sportscar is suppose to be from the biginning of sportscar history. It's pure, and in my book unflawed in it's true function. The Sti is pure and unflawed as a rally car but it's not a sportscar. It's nice to talk about them, but enough already. If I wanted a rally car I''d buy an STi. I can afford both. I just don't want one.

well said.....I think sti eric needs to grow up aswell.

I'm cool with that.. just wanted to make you say it again!

Hey, I'm all for feminine looks :naughty:

Look, YOu are no better then cas and roaddemon is. You are an sti fanboi and that's all there is to it. If you want to compare apples with apples, the evo looks way better and has better execution then the sti. If you really wanted the better machine then why did you pick the sti? hmmmmm my guess is you are patriotic to them.

For me, If I was gonna spend 10k more, I would be driving a used z06.