racerdave

amen... beat that horse!

:D

skagen

:D

ptiemann

Um, I really like the RX-8, .. but... 0.5 seconds is a LOT!

While compared to the lenght of a human life you may speak of "only half a second", do you realize how far a car pulls at 60 mph in that half second?

I think it's like 3 car lengths difference.

So don't say "only 0.5 seconds faster"

I raced against an M5 the other day, I thought my car was accidentally in neutral because I seemed not to move at all and the M5 was gone. The M5 is "only 0.9 seconds faster" hahahaha



-Peter

skagen

.5 secs is probably even more than 3 car lengths at extremely highly acceleration. There's no way an 8 can out run cars that got like 300hp. What happened with the M5, your 8 stalled or missfired?

Broker73

the 8 is not a car to be on the same comparison as the STI or M5. That being said, it still does have very respectable performance numbers. And with the price, I can spend an extra $1000 or so and get an extra 25+hp (canzoomers mod) to keep up with the 350Z. The 8 with that extra pop would surprise a few of these high torque straight liners !

But lets face it, the 8, the EVO, STI, G35, 350Z are all great cars in their own class

racerdave

I agree Broker...

Now lets leave give this dead horse some dignity and leave him alone!

:D

Ike

I was with you til you said straight liners... Do you even have the slightest clue how well a STi, EVO, M5, or even Z handle? You make it sound like they're old hotrods or something. Also, stock STis are breaking into the high 12s 1.5-2 seconds may not sound like much but that's a LOT of carlengths as was pointed out.

A lot of you may think the EVO and STi are ugly but there are a lot of people out there that really like the way they look, and there are also a lot of people out there that don't think the RX-8 looks so hot. Stop acting like your opinion is a universal one!

revhappy

Amen, from some of the posts here you would think that the RX8 looks and handles like an Enzo and is only "a few seconds slower". :p

Racer X-8

Wow! 14 pages!

OK, see ya...

Broker73

?? you guys bug us about getting touchy. All I was saying was Ike and a few have focused on straight line performance etc. I never said anything in my post about the EVO or STI or 350Z not being good handlers? they all are, as well as the 8.......now I know there is no pleasing you guys, and with all these posts you guys put on here, you have to wonder????? wow
My point was just tp say that the 8 has respectable performance, and with a little extra $$, it makes it much more complete !
Hell, a buddy of mine spent crazy $$ on a Jag that will not out run an 8, but I don't bug him about it being slow. Every car has a certain unique feature that sets it apart. I think the EVO and STI are good cars, just different than the 8. The 350Z is also different, but the closest comparison is the G35. I have driven one many times and there is little difference in performance, yet is costs more $$. Still a great car, but personally I think the 8 is better bang for your buck, and even with spending an extra $1000, I can have better performance than the G35, and overall it still costs me less. But just my 2cents.

Ike

I think one would call this reeling :p The way you worded it, you certainly made it sound like you were calling the G35, Z, Sti, M5, and EVO high torque "straight liners". Read it again and I think you will see the confusion. And for the last time stop comparing modded cars to stock cars, mod for mod you will lose to those cars, especially the FI cars.


P.S. You have a very Merry Christmas as well Broker!

Broker73

IKE, you just won't accept the G35 is not much different than the 8 in performance?? R&T needed a high RPM launch to get a 14.6sec 1/4 mile in the G35? Sounds close to me.
Oh yes, the whole pre-prod. comparison again........There is not much difference between the 2.
Both cars are faster than most on the road, but if you compare it to a 350Z, or EVO etc, then yes they will lose. And I was comparing the cost of the 8 (with a modded stage one kit) to that of a G35 and making reference to the fact that it still cost me less, and I feel I get a better car. Now go have some Egg nog and enjoy the Holidays. Sounds like we all need a few !

RX-GR8

you guys keep saying if you race a sti or g35 or zyou are going to lose. lose what? my virginity?, my sanity?, my pride?, my freedom?, my religion? who cares? the only place it matters is on the track. all these cars are great cars. please no egg nog. Happy Holidays!

Ike

We're just magazine racing at this point, but it's all we really have I suppose... Consider this, in the G35 comparison of the G35 and RX-8 (the RX-8 that did a faster time than all but one RX-8 owner that we know of)

The
G35 trapped at 100mph
RX-8 96mph (still faster than even Ito trapped and a few MPH faster than many RX-8 drivers have been able to trap)

1/4
G35 14.2
RX-8 14.5

Ok, drivers race to this point with the edge to the G35

0-100
G35 14.2
RX-8 15.8

That's a lot of carlengths

0-130
G35 26.8 seconds
RX-8 33.5 seconds

That's a lot of buslengths, and I'm getting another beer as we speak :D Eggnog is for tomorrow :p

Broker73

actually

0-100 was 14.9 for the G35
0-100 was 15.9 for the 8

so yes, advantage G35, but close on 0-60 and 1/4mile

Broker73

R&T had the G35 at 14.6 1/4 mile with 98.6mph

pretty close to the 8.

Isn't it fair to say that Canzoomer's mod gets the car back to "true hp" with the 8 (248+hp). I know that may sound stupid, but with the ECU being slightly re-tuned, this mod probably takes the car close if not better than the test cars R&T where using. I know, an odd comparison, but just a thought.

Ike

The C&D time is a little faster than average and the R&T time is slower than what a good driver should get. Another example of why I don't like R&T, C&D always seems to get consistently good times and seem to have excellent drivers that know how to get the most out of each car, However, R&T and MT will be all over the place, sometimes they can match the time of C&D and what other good drivers will get at the strip but often they're a lot slower. With a good driver I would say the RX-8 is probaly a 14.7-14.8 car with a good driver and the G35 is a 14.3-14.5 car with a good driver, though the G35 will be more forgiving of a lesser driver due to the torque. Yes it's pretty close at that point, probably not as close as you envision it, but certainly close enough to make the driver be a big factor in the race. Once you get up to higher speeds the G35 should start pulling hard and that difference will not be made up by canzoomers mod. Even considering the highest RX-8 dyno and canzoomers claim of 25 WHP the RX-8 will be making around 210-215whp.

I tried to find a dyno for a stock G35 but had no luck but if Infiniti is being straight with the HP of the engine and the drivetrain lose is where it's supposed to be the G35 should be making 235-240whp with the MT which should still be enough to make the heavier G35 faster over the modded RX-8. There are other factors like gearing and drag, which has better of each I'm not exactly sure, but judging from the numbers there's nothing wrong with the G35s gearing and drag should be about the same.

DARKMAZ8

Yeah but the sheer beauty of the 8 causes sti,evo,g35,350z,s2k drivers to stare in awww while the 8 peels away effortlessly into the sunset and wins the race easily. sure all your stats suggest how slow the 8 really is but it doesn't factor real world circumstances. Get a clue IKE....

Captain Amazing

Why bump a 3 year old thread? And why did I just add another bump?

saturn

DARKMAZ8 has been doing that all weekend. I shall call him, Sir Bumpalot.

DARKMAZ8

how else will rx8club members know where they are in life if they never know where they came from?

Xyntax

I bought the RX-8 by the way. Dunno why I bothered to reply to a resurrected.

Ike

I had almost forgotten what a moron Russell was/is.

DARKMAZ8

he sounds brilliant to me

DARKMAZ8

I wish my crap would design a turbo 8.