Just got back from having my car detailed, and yes, I was taking some turns with my R compounds. HOwever, I am sponsored by Toyo, so I will be chewing them up.

 

Yup thats why I out coenered a Vet then got killed on the straight lol it was fun seeing his face all PO as he passed me. But you know the Z is like 200 more lbs and in SS mag the got 2 Z's one was stock the other was all guted and the only improvment was stopping and when they hit 3rd geer and it was like 4 or 6 sec faster. In the 1/4 mile it was 3 sec faster. Big deal.

 

I love how people's little street racing stories get overlooked by mods when they involve a turn. It's especially comical considering driving hard around turns and racing others through a turn on the streets is many times more idiotic than any stoplight race or highway pull. They don't even let people race in turns on trackdays on a real racetrack, there's a good reason for that...

 

those of u who thinks the z33 can't handle need to go test drive one.

 

I dunno about that...my friend owns a Z, and I tried chasing him around for a bit. We both took a 90 degree right turn onto a two lane road, with both of us aiming for the outter lane. He went through without a single squeal of his stock Potenza tires and made it look effortless, while I with Goodyear Eagle F1 GSD3s had to go through squealing tires and everything to keep up with him. And I felt I was nearing the point where the car was going to lose it and slip up...our corner entry speed was probably close to 30 mph. I know I was starting to think "holy sh*t is he actually going to go in that fast??? as I watched him approach the turn. Whoever drove that Z you followed just probably wasn't driving it right...I know I had a tough time following my friend through corners and curves. Driven properly I have no doubt I'd never be able to keep up with my friend in the twisties given it's handling + power.

 

Maybe, maybe not. If I had to guess, I would say that user skill probably has a lot more to do with it than the cars.

Having said that, I can guarantee that you look thousands of times better in your 8 than you friend does in his Z.

 

i suggest you check the list of links i left earlier and think about that.

 

I do agree with you but here are the curb weights.

350z - 3345 lbs
350Z roadster - 3640 lbs
RX-8 GT - 3085 lbs
RX-8 - 2990 lbs

The Z is at best 260 lbs heavier and at worst 650 lbs heavier then a RX. This is a lot of weight especially for a sports car.

 

The Z is a roadster and when compared to roadsters it's middle of the road. A more fair comparison is the Miata. Either way, both the 8 and Miata are better overall than the Z. The coke / pepsi analogy doesn't fit here because you are not getting more for your money by picking either one where as with the 8 or Miata you are.

 

Depends on what year Z you're looking at. You don't say where you got your numbers, but they don't gibe with either Mazda's or Nissan's websites.

A 2003 Base 350Z weighs in at 3188 lbs, which is only about 100 lbs more than the 8. Each successive year, they've gotten heavier, and of course the Roadster is inherently heavier. That's the reason I wrote "roughly 200 lbs" in my previous post - ricer fly-by boy never mentioned what year or whether it was a coupe or roadster, but I think we can assume it wasn't a Roadster. If you average out the years weights, then it's roughly 200 lbs heavier than the 8.

I agree that the Z is a heavy for a sports car, but where is the line of demarcation between "boat" and "not a boat?" Is it a boat at 3300 lbs, but not 3000 lbs? Is the 8 not a boat at 3100 lbs? Would either car be considered a boat if compared to a Lotus Elise?

Using your numbers, an 8 makes about 1 HP per 13 lbs, while the Z coupe makes about 1 HP per 11 lbs (assuming 2006 listings for HP).

-djb

 

I think maybe you need to brush up on some things. First, the Z comes in either coupe or roadster form. Second, your proclamation that both the 8 and Miata are better overall cars is nothing more than your OPINION. There's nothing wrong with opinion, but that brings me to my third point, which you prove with your complete misunderstanding of my Coke/Pepsi analogy - perceived value is, by definition, based on perception, so how you can you tell someone else they get more with their money by choosing one product over another?

Can you provide some facts to back up your claim that the Z is a middle of the road roadster? Can you provide some facts to back up your claim that you get more for your money with either the 8 or the Miata? Note that I said FACTS. The only FACT is that your statements reflect an OPINION, thus proving my statement again that threads such as this are pointless.

-djb

 

Why don't you just concede that he wasn't racing? We both know he wasn't, so just admit that you did a ricer fly-by at low speed. The first step is admitting you have a problem....

You've explained why the 8 can MAINTAIN high entry and exit speeds - now explain how the 8 MAKES a high exit speed from a standstill and how it can do it better than a car everyone knows accelerates quicker than the 8.

-djb

 

thread closed