RX-8 vs Carrera 4
#26
In 2003 there was a six speed manual or a five speed tiptronic, no DSG.
The only experiance I have with the RX8 is a 2004 6 speed. And really not much has changed since then. So I really can't believe some of the comments made here. You really compare the 8 with 911 Turbos, Ferraris, DB9,s? And again with how nothing handles like the 8. Has anybody seen the last issue of C&D? How the RX8 R3 came in dead last in the Lightning Lap around Virginia Internationl Raceway? Behind such cars as the Hyundai Genisis, the Ford Mustang V-6, and slew of others? Enough already, the RX8 is a nice enough car but lets not get carried away.
The only experiance I have with the RX8 is a 2004 6 speed. And really not much has changed since then. So I really can't believe some of the comments made here. You really compare the 8 with 911 Turbos, Ferraris, DB9,s? And again with how nothing handles like the 8. Has anybody seen the last issue of C&D? How the RX8 R3 came in dead last in the Lightning Lap around Virginia Internationl Raceway? Behind such cars as the Hyundai Genisis, the Ford Mustang V-6, and slew of others? Enough already, the RX8 is a nice enough car but lets not get carried away.
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#27
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...mparison_tests
1. Boxster Spyder
2. Elise
3. RX-3 R3
4. M3
5. Nissan GT-R
6. Corvette Z06
7. VW GTI
#28
I got more compliments on my car when I was driving my old 99 mercury cougar, I don't understand it lol. Owned this car almost a year and haven't had any random people just come up and talk to me about liking it or anything. That type of stuff happened with my old car.
Oh well, I love it so that's what counts.
Oh well, I love it so that's what counts.
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#29
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Lets not also forget the 2010 season of Grand-Am Rolex series. The GT class was dominated by the RX-8. The model placed 1st in 6 of the 13 races in the series, and overall dominating the podium. When going up against Cameros, Corvettes, 911 GT3s, and M3s that is very impressive.
All the stock RX-8 needs is a turbo-charged engine like in the RX-7.
http://www.grand-am.com/schedule/ind...es=r&cat_id=89
All the stock RX-8 needs is a turbo-charged engine like in the RX-7.
http://www.grand-am.com/schedule/ind...es=r&cat_id=89
#30
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Out of the ridiculous amount of 911 models, I would think the Carrera 4 is probably the least involving and fun to drive. I can't say from personal experience. But think about it, AWD = heavy, understeering, takes care of putting the power down so the driver doesn't have to. Add to that it was the base 4, not the 4S which would have more HP to push that extra weight of of the AWD system. 911's are designed as RR cars, the AWD is added as an afterthought for those who want to look cool in a 911 but cant be botherd by the tricky RR setup. And then it was the automatic with unresponsive paddle-shifts, a standard manual adds a ton to the driver-involvement department.
I wonder how the RX-8 would compare in driving feel to a base Carrera or Carrera S with a standard manual gearbox. I would think those would be much more involving.
I wonder how the RX-8 would compare in driving feel to a base Carrera or Carrera S with a standard manual gearbox. I would think those would be much more involving.
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#34
Car and Drive did a similar handling test:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...mparison_tests
1. Boxster Spyder
2. Elise
3. RX-3 R3
4. M3
5. Nissan GT-R
6. Corvette Z06
7. VW GTI
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...mparison_tests
1. Boxster Spyder
2. Elise
3. RX-3 R3
4. M3
5. Nissan GT-R
6. Corvette Z06
7. VW GTI
I also know that there is more to a car than sheer HP or speed. I love my 911, even though it has only 180HP. I don't care that some Accord or Camry will beat me off the line. I just like the way it drives, handles, and looks, much like you people like your 8's. But I know it's limits and don't try to have an excuse everytime someone tells me it's slow. I'd rather drive a slow 911 than a fast Mustang or Civic. After all, once up to speed and you still have several miles to travel what would you rather be in?
Sorry to rant, it's just been building up over the years.
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There is no doubt that the RX-8's feel is phenomenal and I would keep the 8 over any model Porsche (not a fan personally...).
That being said *flamesuit on* I wouldn't consider the 8 THAT much more fun to drive than my STi. They both have their pros and cons, the RX-8 is nimble and feels very balanced while the STi has massive grip and the DCCD does an excellent job keeping traction regardless of the situation (including punching it through turns). Obviously this opinion might change if I got some track time in both cars but for spirited driving on mountains and backroads I have about equal fun in both cars.
That being said *flamesuit on* I wouldn't consider the 8 THAT much more fun to drive than my STi. They both have their pros and cons, the RX-8 is nimble and feels very balanced while the STi has massive grip and the DCCD does an excellent job keeping traction regardless of the situation (including punching it through turns). Obviously this opinion might change if I got some track time in both cars but for spirited driving on mountains and backroads I have about equal fun in both cars.
#36
Yeah, I read that. All your points are well taken, what gets me is when somebody says that so and so car will blow the RX8 away in sheer speed (0-60, 1/4 mile, etc. ) and then it's remarks like "take them to a track, or you'll get them in the twisties". It just isn't so. Plenty of cars beat it on tracks, as in the C&D article. I'm not saying it's not a good car, it's just not the halo some of you think it is. I've been on the forum since 2004. I've read all kinds of rediculous claims.
I also know that there is more to a car than sheer HP or speed. I love my 911, even though it has only 180HP. I don't care that some Accord or Camry will beat me off the line. I just like the way it drives, handles, and looks, much like you people like your 8's. But I know it's limits and don't try to have an excuse everytime someone tells me it's slow. I'd rather drive a slow 911 than a fast Mustang or Civic. After all, once up to speed and you still have several miles to travel what would you rather be in?
Sorry to rant, it's just been building up over the years.
I also know that there is more to a car than sheer HP or speed. I love my 911, even though it has only 180HP. I don't care that some Accord or Camry will beat me off the line. I just like the way it drives, handles, and looks, much like you people like your 8's. But I know it's limits and don't try to have an excuse everytime someone tells me it's slow. I'd rather drive a slow 911 than a fast Mustang or Civic. After all, once up to speed and you still have several miles to travel what would you rather be in?
Sorry to rant, it's just been building up over the years.
#37
Grand Chancellor
I had the good fortune a few years ago to contribute to a local rag for its automotive section and therefore got to drive many cars. Some boast higher hp and all that. But at the end of the day like Mazdamaniac said, the rx-8 provides that visceral thrill and sublime handling that the other sports cars/coupes just couldn't deliver. The only car that gave me a similar driving feel was the Audi R8. So until I can cough up 100k, I will just keep driving my RX-8.
#40
Yeah, I read that. All your points are well taken, what gets me is when somebody says that so and so car will blow the RX8 away in sheer speed (0-60, 1/4 mile, etc. ) and then it's remarks like "take them to a track, or you'll get them in the twisties". It just isn't so. Plenty of cars beat it on tracks, as in the C&D article. I'm not saying it's not a good car, it's just not the halo some of you think it is. I've been on the forum since 2004. I've read all kinds of rediculous claims.
I also know that there is more to a car than sheer HP or speed. I love my 911, even though it has only 180HP. I don't care that some Accord or Camry will beat me off the line. I just like the way it drives, handles, and looks, much like you people like your 8's. But I know it's limits and don't try to have an excuse everytime someone tells me it's slow. I'd rather drive a slow 911 than a fast Mustang or Civic. After all, once up to speed and you still have several miles to travel what would you rather be in?
Sorry to rant, it's just been building up over the years.
I also know that there is more to a car than sheer HP or speed. I love my 911, even though it has only 180HP. I don't care that some Accord or Camry will beat me off the line. I just like the way it drives, handles, and looks, much like you people like your 8's. But I know it's limits and don't try to have an excuse everytime someone tells me it's slow. I'd rather drive a slow 911 than a fast Mustang or Civic. After all, once up to speed and you still have several miles to travel what would you rather be in?
Sorry to rant, it's just been building up over the years.
#41
I own Porsches. They are remarkably good for being rear engine cars. I sold the 911 and went for a Boxster S (much more lady-friend acceptable than a (911 with CF seats that literally bruised a chick's legs). It really felt like Porsche was just holding back on what could be greatness, just so it wouldn't kill the Carrera sales. I then decided that the open top part of the Boxster wasn't too fun (idiots cutting the top to try to steal it), so I got a Cayman S. Even better -- but again they held back. I finally was able to get an LSD when I ordered the Cayman, but that's because they finally have a torque vectoring diff out for the 911. Which might be for the better, because the cars I have driven with torque vectoring differentials felt like GrandTourismo. Fun--but not as engaging as driving. The same goes for PDK -- I stick to manuals.
When it comes down to being fun to drive, the RX-8 wins for me every day until you want to go stupidfast. The Porsche wins at stupidfast speeds, the gorgeous carpets, and wonderful leather smell. That and opening the "trunk" for search at events on the Porsche is great -- it has two -- one up front and one in the rear.
When it comes down to being fun to drive, the RX-8 wins for me every day until you want to go stupidfast. The Porsche wins at stupidfast speeds, the gorgeous carpets, and wonderful leather smell. That and opening the "trunk" for search at events on the Porsche is great -- it has two -- one up front and one in the rear.
#42
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I have driven a Porsche GT3 mainly because my buddy works not far from here where they work on and build them. I would happily trade in my RX8 for one. Its faster, handles better, and is a nicer car all around.
I understand there is a love for the 8, and I really like my 8. But its not a Lotus, Porsche, Maseratti, Ferrari, or even a ZR1. Which is why its priced the way it is. For the price you get a good handling vehicle. Stock that is. If we owned Porsche GT3s we wouldn't need to upgrade the sways, and move to coil overs. We wouldn't need to look at different turbo systems because Porsche already has one.
This is a loosing battle. There are people that will swear by crap products simply because they are fan boys. We don't have a 80-100,000 dollar car. Even the 370Z can give the R3 a pretty good run for its money. Thats not the point, we all enjoy our 8s or we would have sold them. Why is everyone trying to convince others that very nice, very well engineered cars are crap?
I understand there is a love for the 8, and I really like my 8. But its not a Lotus, Porsche, Maseratti, Ferrari, or even a ZR1. Which is why its priced the way it is. For the price you get a good handling vehicle. Stock that is. If we owned Porsche GT3s we wouldn't need to upgrade the sways, and move to coil overs. We wouldn't need to look at different turbo systems because Porsche already has one.
This is a loosing battle. There are people that will swear by crap products simply because they are fan boys. We don't have a 80-100,000 dollar car. Even the 370Z can give the R3 a pretty good run for its money. Thats not the point, we all enjoy our 8s or we would have sold them. Why is everyone trying to convince others that very nice, very well engineered cars are crap?
#43
Has anybody seen the last issue of C&D? How the RX8 R3 came in dead last in the Lightning Lap around Virginia Internationl Raceway? Behind such cars as the Hyundai Genisis, the Ford Mustang V-6, and slew of others? Enough already, the RX8 is a nice enough car but lets not get carried away.
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