Rx-8 Vs Sti??
#51
I will say this for the Audi Quattro V6's with 4 winter tires
in a winter storm, the linearity allowed passing big transports
with terrific confidence. (a bit of shock and awe on the faces of the transport drivers).
You won't be passing any transport trucks with the RX-8
during a snowstorm, I suspect. And maybe during heavy
windy rains, although this board should be interesting reading.
Sometimes a light feel can be scary in good cross winds
and some black ice. Experience counts.
in a winter storm, the linearity allowed passing big transports
with terrific confidence. (a bit of shock and awe on the faces of the transport drivers).
You won't be passing any transport trucks with the RX-8
during a snowstorm, I suspect. And maybe during heavy
windy rains, although this board should be interesting reading.
Sometimes a light feel can be scary in good cross winds
and some black ice. Experience counts.
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Originally posted by gord boyd
I will say this for the Audi Quattro V6's with 4 winter tires
in a winter storm, the linearity allowed passing big transports
with terrific confidence. (a bit of shock and awe on the faces of the transport drivers).
I will say this for the Audi Quattro V6's with 4 winter tires
in a winter storm, the linearity allowed passing big transports
with terrific confidence. (a bit of shock and awe on the faces of the transport drivers).
My '93 FD absolutely sucked in the snow. I always use snow/ice tires for my vehicles in winter, but the FD just couldn't hook up and stay hooked up. IMO it was just too light with too much power. Scary as hell.
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Originally posted by Ali
Regarding all weather ability-when asking a close friend how his Scooby coped in the snow:
"F***ing awful"
How about the rain Andrew:
"Slightly less awful"
And dry tarmac:
"It's Ok I suppose"
Hardly the stuff of legends...
Regarding all weather ability-when asking a close friend how his Scooby coped in the snow:
"F***ing awful"
How about the rain Andrew:
"Slightly less awful"
And dry tarmac:
"It's Ok I suppose"
Hardly the stuff of legends...
Originally posted by Ali
As to the rally specials credibility as sports cars? They're not. Not in the classic sense. They are stupidly fast sports saloons but blighted by the same problem that my CTR has. The driving position. Believe me, if you haven't tried one, that an MX-5 or Elise is far more "sporting" than a WRC special. Remember that they are based on mundane econo-boxes and the driving position is defined by the needs of the general public. An RX-8 should certainly feel more sporting than either, performance advantages or not.
As to the rally specials credibility as sports cars? They're not. Not in the classic sense. They are stupidly fast sports saloons but blighted by the same problem that my CTR has. The driving position. Believe me, if you haven't tried one, that an MX-5 or Elise is far more "sporting" than a WRC special. Remember that they are based on mundane econo-boxes and the driving position is defined by the needs of the general public. An RX-8 should certainly feel more sporting than either, performance advantages or not.
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Having a Recaro and a Momo don't automatically make a sports car. It's the seating position that matters most to me. The extra feedback and the added composure of having a low slung and enveloping driving position.
The Evo and Scooby are scarily fast sports saloons, but a sports car is, in my mind, epitomised by the Elise/VX220. The closer you can get to that ideal, the closer a car is to a sports car. The Evo and Scoob have sit up and beg driving poistions, dictated by passenger space and practicality in their junior versions. It's the same reason I don't particularly love my Civ Type R. It's a hot hatch, not a sports car, yet the mechanically identical new ITR is a sports car. You sit nearly six inches lower, are more cosseted and gain far more feel through the car, yet all the hardware is identical.
As to my friends Scooby remarks, he's not alone. Another guy I know takes his wife's Renault Clio diesel when it snows after too many scary moments in his Impreza. It's a common story. If all the cars were on chains then that may be a different story but most people in teh UK use stock tyres as the snow rarely lasts for more than a few days, and in that situation the Scoob is inferior. I've tried a Scooby WRX in the pouring wet and I'd honestly say I'd rather take the Type R. It's far better balanced despite being FF.
The Evo and Scooby are scarily fast sports saloons, but a sports car is, in my mind, epitomised by the Elise/VX220. The closer you can get to that ideal, the closer a car is to a sports car. The Evo and Scoob have sit up and beg driving poistions, dictated by passenger space and practicality in their junior versions. It's the same reason I don't particularly love my Civ Type R. It's a hot hatch, not a sports car, yet the mechanically identical new ITR is a sports car. You sit nearly six inches lower, are more cosseted and gain far more feel through the car, yet all the hardware is identical.
As to my friends Scooby remarks, he's not alone. Another guy I know takes his wife's Renault Clio diesel when it snows after too many scary moments in his Impreza. It's a common story. If all the cars were on chains then that may be a different story but most people in teh UK use stock tyres as the snow rarely lasts for more than a few days, and in that situation the Scoob is inferior. I've tried a Scooby WRX in the pouring wet and I'd honestly say I'd rather take the Type R. It's far better balanced despite being FF.
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Sports cars are stylish
What makes a sports car for me is more than performance numbers and handling, important though they are. A sports car has to turns heads!
I could never buy a scooby etc as in the end they are just plain ugly imho. Great cars in lots of ways but at the end of the day they look like family cars on steroids... no offence intended...
I could never buy a scooby etc as in the end they are just plain ugly imho. Great cars in lots of ways but at the end of the day they look like family cars on steroids... no offence intended...
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i hope you guys don't give me dirty looks if or when i get a wrx
. still debating... WRX.... RX-8... WRX.... Rx-8.... *sigh* had that 6k difference in price between the cars been about 3k... i'd definitely choose rx-8. oh woe is me....![Confused](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/confused.gif)
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I think some of you are being VERY bias. Lets, objectivly look at the cars. The STI is UGLY, the Rx-8 is styled very, very nice. While the WRX is a station wagon, the Rx-8 is a serious sportscar.
So there you have it, the Rx-8 OWNZZZZZZZZZZZ the STI.
Nice day..
OH YEA...The -8- CAN'T Lose!!!
So there you have it, the Rx-8 OWNZZZZZZZZZZZ the STI.
Nice day..
OH YEA...The -8- CAN'T Lose!!!
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Originally posted by maverikk
No, not really rain. It's ice and snow. A aquaintancy of me hit a bridge when spinning around "being passed by your own rear....". This is where theses electronic gadgets and helpers will go to work for you! I would never disable ABS, DSC or whatever in my car....
No, not really rain. It's ice and snow. A aquaintancy of me hit a bridge when spinning around "being passed by your own rear....". This is where theses electronic gadgets and helpers will go to work for you! I would never disable ABS, DSC or whatever in my car....
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Originally posted by TybeeRX-8
Perhaps you might want to consider that Subaru does NOT recommend the STi be driven on ice or snow! It has way too much power
Perhaps you might want to consider that Subaru does NOT recommend the STi be driven on ice or snow! It has way too much power
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Originally posted by nk_Rx8
I thought it was because it comes with summer tires. I think I'd rather drive a Subaru with winter tires than a rwd car in the winter.
I thought it was because it comes with summer tires. I think I'd rather drive a Subaru with winter tires than a rwd car in the winter.
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Originally posted by nostatic
In Canada, there will be at least a $10,000
difference between the two cars (RX-8 cheaper), so they're not really in the same price category up here.
In Canada, there will be at least a $10,000
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RX-8 GT: 39 800
WRX STi: 46 995
still a big difference though, but I think we get overall better deals than our cousins
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Oh and Canadian STi's are getting performance seats which, as I understand it, aren't offered as std in the US, Americans are getting "a much less restrictive design".
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articl...ages/sti_8.jpg
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articl...ages/sti_8.jpg
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Originally posted by RX-pecting
Oh and Canadian STi's are getting performance seats which, as I understand it, aren't offered as std in the US, Americans are getting "a much less restrictive design".
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articl...ages/sti_8.jpg
Oh and Canadian STi's are getting performance seats which, as I understand it, aren't offered as std in the US, Americans are getting "a much less restrictive design".
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articl...ages/sti_8.jpg
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Originally posted by BlueAdept
As others have said, 4wd tends to help you go more than it helps you stop... so this can be bad!... a 2WD car will FEEL less competant than it really is, while a 4WD car may FEEL more competant than it really is... The result is that people feel less secure in a 2WD car, and so drive more safely. (IMHO).
As others have said, 4wd tends to help you go more than it helps you stop... so this can be bad!... a 2WD car will FEEL less competant than it really is, while a 4WD car may FEEL more competant than it really is... The result is that people feel less secure in a 2WD car, and so drive more safely. (IMHO).
Also someone mentioned that AWD is heavier and extends your braking distance, and that is why AWD is not as safe. There are 2WD cars just as heavy as AWD cars. While your braking distance increases, weight is not necessariily a bad thing in the winter. It is like how thinner tires are better than really wide in the winter. It may actually help you get more traction by having the tires bite down harder through the snow. Very light cars will have more traction problems.
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Originally posted by nk_Rx8
But then the reasons given for AWD being bad is because of uneducated drivers. A driver who is knowledgable will not think that AWD helps his braking distance and will be just as safe as someone driving a FWD. And he will have more traction to get going. I've been driving on snow for a long time now, so I am experienced enough to know that. So for me AWD is a advantage for me.
Also someone mentioned that AWD is heavier and extends your braking distance, and that is why AWD is not as safe. There are 2WD cars just as heavy as AWD cars. While your braking distance increases, weight is not necessariily a bad thing in the winter. It is like how thinner tires are better than really wide in the winter. It may actually help you get more traction by having the tires bite down harder through the snow. Very light cars will have more traction problems.
But then the reasons given for AWD being bad is because of uneducated drivers. A driver who is knowledgable will not think that AWD helps his braking distance and will be just as safe as someone driving a FWD. And he will have more traction to get going. I've been driving on snow for a long time now, so I am experienced enough to know that. So for me AWD is a advantage for me.
Also someone mentioned that AWD is heavier and extends your braking distance, and that is why AWD is not as safe. There are 2WD cars just as heavy as AWD cars. While your braking distance increases, weight is not necessariily a bad thing in the winter. It is like how thinner tires are better than really wide in the winter. It may actually help you get more traction by having the tires bite down harder through the snow. Very light cars will have more traction problems.
Many cars are very forgiving, even hard to loose control of in good conditions... but ice takes no prisoners and you can't expect to get things wrong and not pay for it!
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Originally posted by nk_Rx8
I thought it was because it comes with summer tires. I think I'd rather drive a Subaru with winter tires than a rwd car in the winter.
I thought it was because it comes with summer tires. I think I'd rather drive a Subaru with winter tires than a rwd car in the winter.
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I drove an EVO last week and its rubbish. It rattled and spurted and coughed at idle. The first speed hump I drove over I thought my spine would go right through my butt.
But, boy does it go! And the grip is unbelievable. Is it a real car in the real world? NO. After an hour in the thing, I was tired. Could you use every day to work and back? NO.
Like the STI, it has this huge wing on the back. Sorry people, both look like Toyota Corollas with wings on the boot and holes in the bonnet.
As a performance machine, it's great, the motor makes it. The suspension adds to the fun. And that is all that these cars are. God help you if you carsh them....
But, boy does it go! And the grip is unbelievable. Is it a real car in the real world? NO. After an hour in the thing, I was tired. Could you use every day to work and back? NO.
Like the STI, it has this huge wing on the back. Sorry people, both look like Toyota Corollas with wings on the boot and holes in the bonnet.
As a performance machine, it's great, the motor makes it. The suspension adds to the fun. And that is all that these cars are. God help you if you carsh them....
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I drove an EVO last week and its rubbish. It rattled and spurted and coughed at idle. The first speed hump I drove over I thought my spine would go right through my butt.
The Evo and some extent the STi are all out performance and handling oriented at the expense of comfort and ride.
Point to Point there are no everyday cars that will beat them for sensible money, and on the right sort of roads they will bring a huge smile to your face.
Many people are prepared to live with this compromise, as the rewards can be so great.
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Originally posted by ed hall
I drove an EVO last week and its rubbish. It rattled and spurted and coughed at idle. The first speed hump I drove over I thought my spine would go right through my butt.
But, boy does it go! And the grip is unbelievable. Is it a real car in the real world? NO. After an hour in the thing, I was tired. Could you use every day to work and back? NO.
I drove an EVO last week and its rubbish. It rattled and spurted and coughed at idle. The first speed hump I drove over I thought my spine would go right through my butt.
But, boy does it go! And the grip is unbelievable. Is it a real car in the real world? NO. After an hour in the thing, I was tired. Could you use every day to work and back? NO.
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Originally posted by threeputtwash
Those of you who think the car is "perfect" are just fooling yourselves.
Those of you who think the car is "perfect" are just fooling yourselves.
BTW My son owns a 03 WRX and I see nothing I like about it....except the color.
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