RX8 as a first car.
06-28-2006, 10:03 AM
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Statistics also prove that 100% of marriages end in divorce or death, but people still do it.
06-28-2006, 10:11 AM
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i pwn therefore i am
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Actually, statistics would *not* prove that to my friends in the LDS church (am I the only one who knew that or is everyone else just resisting the further thread-hijack), but I promise not to discuss religion any further than that - especially outside the lounge.
06-28-2006, 10:29 AM
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.:. causing mischief
I think we should combine this thread with the Super Sweet 16 thread
06-28-2006, 10:50 AM
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its not that ALL teenagers are irresponsible i love to drive fast yes i do go into the 3 digit numbers on my car often but unlike u i have the experience of driving a car in snow, rain, hurricanes, tornados you name it i have driven in it i learned to drive in north carolina moved the mass then florida now i live in california.
i see accidents every single week driving up the 5 in california and most are teenagers although not all are it seems on the 99 in tulare county alot of people like to drive off the road whether its due to speed or not i dont know i wasnt there to watch it happen but most are teenagers and im not in tulare county for a very long time and always manage to see about 1 accident every other week in pretty much the same spot. i know at excessive speeds especially when u get to a curve in the highway your car can do some crazy ****.
a 19 year old i work with just got a tc had it for 3 weeks and totalled it she was going too fast on the highway passing a truck on its right side went to change lanes in front of the truck someone else was doing the same from the left of the truck and she counter turned way too much and went into the guard rail.
sure it can happen to anyone but how many people who have the experience of driving are gonna make that big of a mistake because of something as little as 2 people merging into the same lane i have seen it and done it many times someone isnt paying attention or not using their blinker its the little stuff thats gonna cause the biggest problems you have no idea how many times i have gotten mad at my 18 year old wife for not using her blinker.
i see accidents every single week driving up the 5 in california and most are teenagers although not all are it seems on the 99 in tulare county alot of people like to drive off the road whether its due to speed or not i dont know i wasnt there to watch it happen but most are teenagers and im not in tulare county for a very long time and always manage to see about 1 accident every other week in pretty much the same spot. i know at excessive speeds especially when u get to a curve in the highway your car can do some crazy ****.
a 19 year old i work with just got a tc had it for 3 weeks and totalled it she was going too fast on the highway passing a truck on its right side went to change lanes in front of the truck someone else was doing the same from the left of the truck and she counter turned way too much and went into the guard rail.
sure it can happen to anyone but how many people who have the experience of driving are gonna make that big of a mistake because of something as little as 2 people merging into the same lane i have seen it and done it many times someone isnt paying attention or not using their blinker its the little stuff thats gonna cause the biggest problems you have no idea how many times i have gotten mad at my 18 year old wife for not using her blinker.
06-28-2006, 11:03 AM
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From my own experience....
My first vehicle was a $1000 Ford F150 1979. Automatic (a real tank)
My second vehicle was a 94' F150 1994 Automatic.
My current vehicle is an '04 RX-8 GT MT.
I consider the 04' RX-8 my true first "car"... not to mention my first standard and I've never owned a FWD vehicle. I must say that it is really fun, but keep in mind... you're going to have to be mature and responsible towards this car simply due to the nature of it.
Consistently checking oil every other fill up, getting all the TSB work done to it,.. etc. Also, this car is not only an expensive car, but to get things replaced/fixed is very expensive too. Tires are going to cost you at least $150 a piece, oil changes are a MUST (not to mention topping it off), and of course the many sensors on the car.
This car cannot be neglected if you want it to actually last, but if you keep up with it, it'll be a really enjoyable car (even though you won't have anything to compare to). Good luck... and enjoy!
My first vehicle was a $1000 Ford F150 1979. Automatic (a real tank)
My second vehicle was a 94' F150 1994 Automatic.
My current vehicle is an '04 RX-8 GT MT.
I consider the 04' RX-8 my true first "car"... not to mention my first standard and I've never owned a FWD vehicle. I must say that it is really fun, but keep in mind... you're going to have to be mature and responsible towards this car simply due to the nature of it.
Consistently checking oil every other fill up, getting all the TSB work done to it,.. etc. Also, this car is not only an expensive car, but to get things replaced/fixed is very expensive too. Tires are going to cost you at least $150 a piece, oil changes are a MUST (not to mention topping it off), and of course the many sensors on the car.
This car cannot be neglected if you want it to actually last, but if you keep up with it, it'll be a really enjoyable car (even though you won't have anything to compare to). Good luck... and enjoy!
06-28-2006, 11:03 AM
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Hello everyone. Before you start 
me please think for a moment. As a brand new driver you are considering operating a high performance car. Even as an adult with many years of experience behind me (now I am feeling old) the 8 was a bit intimidating until I took it out on a track with a professional instructor.
The 8 is also meant to be driven. Everyone I have talked to, including Mazda mechanics indicate that the car will last longest if it is driven into the higher RPM's. Oh, did I mention that getting to them is *LOTS* of fun... So, here is a car that is very forgiving (DSC saved my bottom at VIR a few times), but when you push it too far will get loose on you. As a young driver, you have limited experience in this and it may cause you to loose a prized posession (hey I waited way too many years to get my "RoXy"). So I am saying just think about why you want it and what you are going to do with it. If you decide to go for it, then I would strongly urge you to attend a professional driving school where you will be on a closed track with an instructor that can teach you how to really handle the car.
Here is an example of what I mean. If you begin to oversteer you should:
a) apply the breaks lightly;
b) take your foot off the accelerator;
c) turn into the oversteer;
d) turn out of the oversteer;
e) accelerate;
f) a, b, c
g) b,c
h) a,c
i) e,c
j) a,b,d
k) b,d
l) a,d
m) e,d
I hope this gets you to thinking. Owning an 8 is a great thing, just be careful out there.
Lynn
me please think for a moment. As a brand new driver you are considering operating a high performance car. Even as an adult with many years of experience behind me (now I am feeling old) the 8 was a bit intimidating until I took it out on a track with a professional instructor. The 8 is also meant to be driven. Everyone I have talked to, including Mazda mechanics indicate that the car will last longest if it is driven into the higher RPM's. Oh, did I mention that getting to them is *LOTS* of fun... So, here is a car that is very forgiving (DSC saved my bottom at VIR a few times), but when you push it too far will get loose on you. As a young driver, you have limited experience in this and it may cause you to loose a prized posession (hey I waited way too many years to get my "RoXy"). So I am saying just think about why you want it and what you are going to do with it. If you decide to go for it, then I would strongly urge you to attend a professional driving school where you will be on a closed track with an instructor that can teach you how to really handle the car.
Here is an example of what I mean. If you begin to oversteer you should:
a) apply the breaks lightly;
b) take your foot off the accelerator;
c) turn into the oversteer;
d) turn out of the oversteer;
e) accelerate;
f) a, b, c
g) b,c
h) a,c
i) e,c
j) a,b,d
k) b,d
l) a,d
m) e,d
I hope this gets you to thinking. Owning an 8 is a great thing, just be careful out there.
Lynn
06-28-2006, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by FoxyRoxy
So are you saying that they are wrong, and the Wankel should be babyed, ie keep the RPMs low and shift around oh 4500RPM?
06-28-2006, 06:28 PM
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I am 17 years old and my Mazda RX-8 is my second car. (In FL you can get your license at 16 after having permit for a year). My first car was a used Honda Civic that I bought (with my own money). I put over 25000 miles on it over the course of a year and half. Alot of these miles were driving all over the Southern US because I play competitive hockey. I live with my mom and she works alot so I usually had to drive to tournaments myself. It was a good car to learn on and to develop and hone sp? my driving skills. I always admired the RX-8s and wanted one for a while but my mom said she didnt want me having a fast car. At the beginning of this summer she came to me and said that she had noticed that I was a much more mature and safe driver than I was when I began driving and that if I wanted to look into another car she would let me trade in the Civic. She also told me that whatever I did do, I was financially on my own. I found a great deal on a used(9.5k mi) RX-8 and ended up trading in my civic as a down payment. I make the payments on my loan and pay for my gas.
Coming from a Civic to an RX-8 has given much a much greater appreciation for speed. Just because you drive a car that CAN go fast doesnt mean that you should be going fast all the time. Also my insurance from my Civic to the RX went down over 100 dollars a month. Not only do I feel safer in the RX, the insurance company feels safer too. I live in Naples, FL and for anyone who isnt familiar with the area, there are a lot of rich people there therefore there are a lot of spoiled kids. I know kids who didnt like their car so they bitched to their parents and immediately got a new one. Kids driving around in Corvette z06s and BMW m5s. Its ridiculous. These kids have no respect for the vehicles they drive and its only a matter of time before they injure themselves and most likely someone else.
I honestly do not think that at 16 years old just anyone is ready to have an rx-8 or car similar in power. Sure there are exceptions. I know people who are great drivers and would not abuse the power of their vehicles. But as the statistics show most teenagers do end up involved in accidents. Its not that teens are bad drivers its just that they lack the experience. Anyone can get behind the wheel of a car and drive, but its knowing what to do in situations where you need to make split-second decisions this knowledge comes only from experience. Just my 2 cents (wel maybe 10 cents, was a little longer than I intended)
Coming from a Civic to an RX-8 has given much a much greater appreciation for speed. Just because you drive a car that CAN go fast doesnt mean that you should be going fast all the time. Also my insurance from my Civic to the RX went down over 100 dollars a month. Not only do I feel safer in the RX, the insurance company feels safer too. I live in Naples, FL and for anyone who isnt familiar with the area, there are a lot of rich people there therefore there are a lot of spoiled kids. I know kids who didnt like their car so they bitched to their parents and immediately got a new one. Kids driving around in Corvette z06s and BMW m5s. Its ridiculous. These kids have no respect for the vehicles they drive and its only a matter of time before they injure themselves and most likely someone else.
I honestly do not think that at 16 years old just anyone is ready to have an rx-8 or car similar in power. Sure there are exceptions. I know people who are great drivers and would not abuse the power of their vehicles. But as the statistics show most teenagers do end up involved in accidents. Its not that teens are bad drivers its just that they lack the experience. Anyone can get behind the wheel of a car and drive, but its knowing what to do in situations where you need to make split-second decisions this knowledge comes only from experience. Just my 2 cents (wel maybe 10 cents, was a little longer than I intended)
06-28-2006, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SayNoToPistons
im not saying that. what im saying is 90% of the mazda dealer mechanics are inexperienced with rotaries. but yes it IS better for a rotary to have less abused miles than someone that constantly beats on it. its a proven fact.
I am supprised that you are not living up to your online name... The Wankel is designed to run *very* rich and hot. This leads to incomplete combustion at lower RPM's, which in turn leads to carbon build-up...
Running any engine at higer RPM allows the engine to clear this. In the case of the RX, that means running it occassionaly up to 8.5-9k range.
It's ok if you don't believe me, but you might want to ask one of the long-time owners, like derwankle or rotarygod...
06-28-2006, 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by FoxyRoxy
If you begin to oversteer you should:
a) apply the breaks lightly;
b) take your foot off the accelerator;
c) turn into the oversteer;
d) turn out of the oversteer;
e) accelerate;
m) e,d
I hope this gets you to thinking. Owning an 8 is a great thing, just be careful out there.
Lynn
a) apply the breaks lightly;
b) take your foot off the accelerator;
c) turn into the oversteer;
d) turn out of the oversteer;
e) accelerate;
m) e,d
I hope this gets you to thinking. Owning an 8 is a great thing, just be careful out there.
Lynn
06-29-2006, 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by FoxyRoxy
SNTP,
I am supprised that you are not living up to your online name... The Wankel is designed to run *very* rich and hot. This leads to incomplete combustion at lower RPM's, which in turn leads to carbon build-up...
Running any engine at higer RPM allows the engine to clear this. In the case of the RX, that means running it occassionaly up to 8.5-9k range.
It's ok if you don't believe me, but you might want to ask one of the long-time owners, like derwankle or rotarygod...
I am supprised that you are not living up to your online name... The Wankel is designed to run *very* rich and hot. This leads to incomplete combustion at lower RPM's, which in turn leads to carbon build-up...
Running any engine at higer RPM allows the engine to clear this. In the case of the RX, that means running it occassionaly up to 8.5-9k range.
It's ok if you don't believe me, but you might want to ask one of the long-time owners, like derwankle or rotarygod...
06-29-2006, 01:37 PM
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I think we are on the same page. RoXy is driven hard on the track but receives a lot of TLC before and after. Always going to the red would be hard on any vehicle, the point was the Wankel occassionally likes (dare I say needs) to be pushed.
Well I have hijacked the thread long enough on this one. To bring it back to topic, I do not believe an RX is the best choice for a brand new driver - it doesn't matter if they are 16 or 36. If they don't have some experience, it could easily become a bit too much.
Thanks for listening everyone and not me too hard.
Well I have hijacked the thread long enough on this one. To bring it back to topic, I do not believe an RX is the best choice for a brand new driver - it doesn't matter if they are 16 or 36. If they don't have some experience, it could easily become a bit too much.
Thanks for listening everyone and not
me too hard.
07-07-2006, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by SayNoToPistons
its a different story when youre sitting in the captains seat. 95% of kids wont be able to control themselves.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...AG9IJRB6N1.DTL
It's true that a beater car can be driven fast, but it's much much easier to drive a "fast" car fast.
07-07-2006, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by FoxyRoxy
Here is an example of what I mean. If you begin to oversteer you should:
a) apply the breaks lightly;
b) take your foot off the accelerator;
c) turn into the oversteer;
d) turn out of the oversteer;
e) accelerate;
f) a, b, c
g) b,c
h) a,c
i) e,c
j) a,b,d
k) b,d
l) a,d
m) e,d
a) apply the breaks lightly;
b) take your foot off the accelerator;
c) turn into the oversteer;
d) turn out of the oversteer;
e) accelerate;
f) a, b, c
g) b,c
h) a,c
i) e,c
j) a,b,d
k) b,d
l) a,d
m) e,d
I like to impress the ladies when I drive.
Next question.