RotoRocket

iTrader: (1)

You're talking about what's known as "puffing," as in "The Best Hamburger's This Side of the Mississippi!!!"

But cold, hard data, especially the kind a buyer relies or depends on when making a purchase, has to be accurate.

Of course, there's the whole issue of damages, and how they're calculated based on factual misrepresentations, but that's a whole other can of worms.

Ike

I have a feeling a class action lawsuit against Mazda would would end in favor of the consumers. Then all owners of the RX-8 would get a big ol' $150 check in the mail... Is that worth it, depends on your perspective and if you'd be doing it for money or personal satisfaction. I can guarantee you your resale value the day Mazda loses will drop a hell of a lot more than $150.

New Yorker

For most 8 owners, the car has MORE than enough power. Uh, can you say… "moot point"?

Roland

The GT500 is SAE certified at 500hp. The certification process is fairly rigorous. Shame the car is such a porker.

Hopefully Mazda will start publishing SAE numbers with new models. As for a lawsuit, since Mazda already ate crow on the HP numbers once, I would bet that they've cover their butts on the new number pretty well.

I notice the new models say 232. I assume that was a tuning tweak?

Winfree

To me, its not rev or horsepower - its the ratio of revs to wheel rotations - how many times does the rotar have to run around before the wheel turns over..
does it have enough power to turn the wheel around to go 60, 80, or whatever miles per hours, uphill if you have 1000 pounds of load inside the car - Now this information, to my micro mind, would make more sense, than how fast the engine can spin without a load - also how much power is lost though the transmission, especially on a hill? This is important because it will give some idea about how much energy must be lost as heat instead of work! I would like to see some number crunching on this...

Skiptomylue

Then get crunching

mac11

iTrader: (1)

I have to agree with you here, Ike. Class action law suits dont do anything except make a lawyer rich.

supergoat

232hp IS the SAE number. Remember that it used to be 238.

LionZoo

It's already been certified by the new rigorous SAE system to have 232 bhp and yet the pissing contest on this board still goes on.

Forget all this, from now on I'm going to advertise my car as having 1000 bhp (brake hamster power).

bbybmrzmr

i worked for mazda as a salesman in 2003. The 8 had just arrived with hp numbers rating 247hp. in about 3 or 4 months mazda had to change the nunbers from 247 to 238hp. Mazda sent letters to all buyers who bought before the horsepower change, a full refund(including dealer mark-up) or a 4 year extended warrenty. i dont know of anything else after that.

puch96

Yeah... a Lotus Elise has less HP advertised and will beat the 8 in acceleration, etc. So what is the big deal?


Sometimes HP is irrelevant. Just be happy with the 8

zoom44

and you didnt even get that right- salesman

they offered to buy back your car (got that part right) OR (and here is where you went wrong) if you kept the car they would give you $500 dollars (in the form of a debit card usable anywhere) plus give you free factory scheduled maintenance for the life of your warranty.


there was no warranty extension for the HP re-statement.

Ericok

Any class action settlement that I've gotten consisted of a coupon - no cash. Lawyers took all the cash.

supergoat

Sweet! My sunday paper is FULL of class action lawsuits!!

Razz1

You may have a point, but unless you bought your car in 2003 you hav enothing to complain about.

And even then it is questionable since they offered you to but the car back.

But I love crying anyways.. so........

I like this thread.

Sincerly,

8CRYBBY

DOMINION

Not with a class action law suite

TALAN7

A class action lawsuit would make the 8s rep even more tarnished thus affecting our resale more.
BUT perhaps threatening Mazda with a lawsuit would teach them not to keep overstating hp in the future. I mean to have you vehicles power restated 3 times and still have people wonder about the hp makes one look bad.

I know for myself, if there is one more restatement of the RX8s hp than resale or not, I would look for a buyback, class action, something.

Quick scenario. IF THE RX8S ENGINE WAS RESTATED AT 220 HP TODAY, WHAT WOULD YOU EXPECT FROM MAZDA OR DO TO MAZDA? PLEASE, PLEASE BE HONEST!

mysql101

far as i know, they only changed the numbers once. and they offered buybacks and incentives for people who bought before the numbers were changed.

after that the hp numbers were changed for all cars when the ratings system changed, it wasn't due to anything mazda did.

TALAN7

250-247-232-?

That's 3 times. Even if one was from a outside source. Mazda has taken the last number as its rating.

zoom44

250 was never a real number. it was never on the window sticker so cant count it. (but it wa son a brochure blah blah blah- it was never th enumber that any car EVER hit the dealerships with on its sticker)

247 to 238 is once.

then they changed to a new standard and under that standard it is 232. thats not a second re-statement. of course we can argue that for years- and we already have

TALAN7

NO 250-247-232 is 3. Just because they lowered it before you first purchased it doesn't mean that they didn't originally state it. I had Mazda's brochure before I purchase the 8 and it stated 250 hp. The fact that Mazda didn't fight the SAE rating but went with it in all brochures says they agree, thus another restating og power. Mazda could've just disregarded the SAE rating citing, we don't agree, they didn't test right, blah blah blah and still printed and advertised 238 hp. They won't go up against SAE. Is 232 really what SAE got. Maybe they got less.

dmc27

250 was the estimated HP. Defined here But just in case you're lazy - here's the important part:

2 a : to judge tentatively or approximately the value, worth, or significance of b : to determine roughly the size, extent, or nature of

247 was the actual HP declared by Mazda. That's one, for those counting.

238 was the "oops - our bad" # given by Mazda w/a buy back option.

232 is based on a new calculation, which lead to an industry wide change.

Get over it.

zoom44

even if we go with your numbers that would only be 2 changes as you have written it not 3. and we cant use your numbers especially since you have used the brochure arguement again even though i pointed out you cant use it in my previous post

bascho

Why the two hp figures for the RX8? 212 for A/T and 232 for M/T. No other car reports two different ratings for different transmissions that I am aware of.

TALAN7

YOU CAN USE THE BROCHURE! MAZDA CLAIMED IT, PRINTED IT, AND RELEASED IT TO THE PUBLIC! JUST BECAUSE IT WAS RERATED BEFORE I PURCHASED IT DOESN'T MEAN IT WASN'T RERATED. WHAT DON'T YOU GET MAN! MAZDA ALSO CLAIMED 250 IN THEIR PRESS RELEASES AND ALL OF THEIR MAGAZINE ADS. I NEVER SAID OUR CARS WERE RATED AT 250 HP BUT THAT THE RX8 WAS ORIGINALLY RATED AT 250 HP.

250-247 1!
247-238 2!

SAE STANDARDS SAY RX8 MAKES 232 HP. MAZDA TAKES THIS #, DECIDES TO PLACE ON STICKER, ON CURRENT ADS ETC.

238-232 3!

IF WE GO WITH WHAT RACING BEAT GOT (THE MOST REPUTABLE ROTARY TUNER),
WE WOULD BE AT AROUND 220 HP.