Ike

Until you get a turbo kit, you own a nice sedan that is sporty (not fast) that will never outhandle a RX-8 no matter how wide your tires are. It's a nice car, but nothing to brag about like you seem to, it's pretty sad when you think having a detuned NA supra engine means something. Even more sad when you have to bump a 9month old thread from before the RX-8 was even released to do so...

ZoomZoomH

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stupid n00b bumping 6 month old thread... tsk tsk tsk...

DoWnAqT@aol.com

oh im so sorry that the cool kids are in town, i know my cars faster because i know the facts of it, i know my car has way more torque than the rx-8, and thats where the real power is bud, thats is what makes your car pull, not the hp of it. so yeah i may have detuned supra motor, but does that mean a chip wont bring it back up there? as far as im concerned you people dont know sh*t about the car your driving you just like to tell yourselves that.

And i dont give a f*ck how old a thread is. your just jealus because you own a piece of sh*t

danielk015

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look at this flaming troll.. did people mess with you in HS? no one said the IS 300 was a bad car, but an IS that is not modified will not beat the rx on the track, or even in straight line.. if you can get 30 hp out of the chip, then it will be pretty close... but if you read any comparos with the 8 and the IS, it wont be that close... IS is a very nice car, but performance wise not like an 8

DoWnAqT@aol.com

test drive a is300 then you will understand, i drive both cars everyday, im not going by any people that beleive everything they read is true

jonalan

I traded in my IS300. Had it for 2 years. I liked it. Then came along the RX-8. It blew the IS away; in every category.

jonalan

Show of hands - anyone think this is a troll? :D

danielk015

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my older brother has a 5 speed, 2003 yellow IS 300.. no modifications... my other bro has a 330 Ci... in that comparisson, the IS doesnt even cut it... i am very very familiar with the IS... have only driven the 8 a couple times, and those few times, the 8 blew the doors off the IS..

Jag

You should learn a bit about torque and horsepower before making a statement like this, if torque was all that mattered then a big diesel would be the motor of choice for every sports car with several hundred ft. pds. of torque.

The IS300 is a nice car but it won't compare to an RX-8 in any performance category without some work. period.

CriticalMass

Downaqt@aol.com <oh im so sorry that the cool kids are in town, i know my cars faster because i know the facts of it, i know my car has way more torque than the rx-8, and thats where the real power is bud, thats is what makes your car pull, not the hp of it. so yeah i may have detuned supra motor, but does that mean a chip wont bring it back up there? as far as im concerned you people dont know sh*t about the car your driving you just like to tell yourselves that.

And i dont give a f*ck how old a thread is. your just jealus because you own a piece of sh*t>


YAWN, lmao

first of all, my car is in the IS300 class as far as power.. And I am not even going to talk about the RX-8, first of all my SVT contour has easily..and still does outperform the LEXUSis300, it has, always will. By my top end. Im gone. its simple, there is no argument, and that was before the Vortec. Now my car sits around 310 hp, and its light agile and without my blizzaks..a monster on the road. So this kid has no idea what hes talking about. my stock 2.5 L SVT duratec whipped the $%$# out of the is300..but hey? i guess its the driver right? LMFAO get outta here troll

oh yah, and another thing. I think the 2003 Cobra needs to be pulled out of storage. ...... lets see where your straight line is now. And thats only to make ur SUPRA wannabee engine feel good. lmao. So stop talking like your the man, big pimp daddy, get outta here troll. Go back under the bridge where u came from. And those women that see your car? Are actually talking about how slow it is for the price you paid.

another8owner

get both, i have one of each and love each one for different qualitys. Glad i dont have to choose between the two.

my IS300 is auto ( going to be replaced with IS430 when comes out, V8 power oooooooooo )

my RX8 is manuel.

DoWnAqT@aol.com

all i have to say is hp is multlication of torque you dumbasses, the reason we dont use diesals for sports cars is because they dont have the high revs, but we do have trucks with durmax turbos that run 10s in the qtr? pretty sad to say that will beat the **** out of all of or cars.

as for the buddy that thinks his cobra will beat the **** out of lexus, well lets hope it does comsidering that you have a v8, and you want to race straight line, i have just the car that would make your look like a ******* piece of **** ford it is. my 70 camaro would eat the ****** up. all i have to say im certified GM Techncian so yeah i know my **** and dont live under ******* bridge you dumb ****. if you were a real man you would buy something better than a ******* contour. or a mustang. or is it the mustang is put in storage because your to welfare to afford the car?

Another thing is the rx-8 is a sweet car, im not putting the car down, alot of people where i dont live dont like it becuase its not a practicle car to drive everyday and the suck ***** in the snow. i prefer the is300 over that car because its power band is right there and you can drive it as fast as the rx-8, not to mention look like a pimp in front of the ladys, i also know that me in a countour wouldnt get **** for respect around here. or a mustang cobra. Keep telling yrouself that your the man, but when you run into my cars, be prepaired to look like a dumbass with pieces of **** cars.

pelucidor

DoWnAqT@aol.com

You are making us (ex) IS300 owners look bad. You are new to the forum, so don't automatically assume you know more than everyone else here - there are some very bright or knowledgeable people here when it comes to discussing engines and performance. They could write books on torque and HP and gearing and tire behaviour etc...

The IS300 is a great car and a lot of fun, but a lot of cars under $30k are faster than it in a straight line - including RSX- Type S, RX-8 6MT, Accord V6, Nissan Maxima etc (but so what - the IS300 is subjectively very fast and put a smile on my face). The IS300 is also a very good handling/braking car (better than almost any other $30k sedan I've driven), but the RX-8 is much, much better IMO.

You have a great car - talk about why it is good or different or mods you are planning etc rather than belittling other vehicles which may be just as good or even better in some areas. You may also want to check out IS300.net or clublexus.

Rendezvous

i have to disagree with the rx-8 being the faster car, it handles better, but not faster. when my is300 was stock (auto) it ran 15.3 - 15.6, while my friend who recently just bought his rx-8 manual ran 15.2 - 15.5 when i test drove his car, it feels identical to that of manual is300 in term of speed, but with less low-end power.

i find it a little bit funny when people mentions that rx-8 take the is300 in all category because they dont (potential, reliability,etc). the is has been around for more than 5 years (toyota altezza), of course it doesnt fare as well to the newer cars, but imo it still hold its own ground pretty good.

the is300 is also lexus's first try at this entry level sport sedan segment. in fact, as the toyota altezza, the car wasn't even designed for it. i bet for the next model, it will be designed from the ground up with Lexus requirements in mind. This puts a lot of pressure on lexus and hopefully, they will step up to the plate.

Astor

Ok, I wasn't familiar with the IS model, but IMO they are ugly, they look like Camry's and it looks like they upped the price on them (the Camrys) just to make someone feel good about themselves because they have a lexus badge. As far as it having Supra ancestory, my best friend has a N/A '95 Supra, (he's found to put turbos in and some other things he needs will cost about $10,000.00 for 655 bhp, and he's still paying on it, bought used) and the RX-8 will totally beat it in our friendly (safe) races-will post pics of both our cars later. Also when we convoyed to the Mountains, I blew him away on the curves because the handling is so much more refined. (note: if you are in the southeast USA, go to the Dragon's Tail and drive, it's like being in another country.)

Astor

BTW The Dragon's tail is US 129 between the Tennessee and N.C. border, in Tennessee the speed limit is about 40-45, then the main part of the tail is in N.C. and it raises to and insane (except for motorcycles-still insane) 55 mph.

danielk015

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Astor, dunno wat ur talkin about but an IS looks nothing like a camry.. THe ES does, but not the IS.. totally different car

DoWnAqT@aol.com

im gla im actually geting people that can understand where i am coming from and no the is doesnt look anything like the camry. like i said many times before, the rx-8 is fast. its is a bad *** car for the money. but i cant imagine that it can take the is off the line because it has nothing for take off. all of you taht own one know what im talking about. but im not coming in here and putting everyone down i have equal respect for everyone except that kids that call me a troll, whos says that these days? yeah people may think they are better because they have big l on the front of the is300, but i think its more pride because of its name on reliability and clean looking. The other thing that gets me mad about other people on here is that they believe almost everything that a magazine publishes. for those people that do think this, you got to remmerb taht companies dont just hand them the cars to beat the crap out of, they do it with the best drivers out there and they pay them big money so it will make their car sound the *****, so people that do believe everything that is read, that its true. when really its a big scam. i would have to say the two cars that we are talking aboutare a very close match.

one more thing is, if you dont have anything nice to say, why dont you keep it to yourself. i stated how i felt in the first one. and i simply said it was my opinion. and everyone is now writing some pretty nasty stuff. even people that think their contour is the road king. i didnt ask for nastyness of all this, you could simply state what you think and thats it. thats only if you know alot about cars like myself and im sure like alot of other people that work on cars.

Bankotsu

IS300 does not look like a Camry. I looks more like a Civic to me IMO. I am trying to decide on a E-Shift IS300 or a RX-8(hopefully 5 sp auto or 6-speed SMG). If there isn't a 5 speed auto for the 2005 models, I will get the IS300 instead.

Ike

1.) Many many cars will get more HP than your IS will with a chip.

2.) Torque will not make a car pull harder or faster, get a clue.

3.) It's hardly clean looking, it has a chrome grill and the tailights make me want to puke.

4.) I've driven the IS300, it's a nice car but it gets a big yawn from me.

5.) You threw the first stone and several others after that, so don't back down with this "if you don't have anything nice to say" nonsense.

6.) I wouldn't let you anywhere near my car, some 2 year tech college certificate that says you can change oil for a living hardly makes you an expert, and you ignorance in this thread proves that.

7.) The IS300 and the RX-8 are not a close match, your car is heavier, slower, and doesn't handle as well. I've seen 60' times for the IS, and you do not have any advantage on the launch, if anything you have a disadvantage due to weight.

8.) I hope english is your second language.

Rendezvous

i have no grudge, but i have some little clarifications for your point 1, 2, 3, 4 and 7.

is300 will not support any chip, suckie yes, but a chip wont provide any improvement for the is300.

torque will not make your car pull harder or faster ? no offense, but you really need to get your point straight before critisizing other people.

its kinda funny how you can say that the is300 doesnt look good when you own a wrx :p the is300 has been around for more than 5 years in its toyota altezza form, it has sprout the crazed trend of altezza look-a-like lights to many cars including rx-8. the car won best car of the year in japan during its first 2 year of launch. and for his age, is300 sure still look fine in the face of today's competition imo.

it might not handle as good as rx-8 given the pure sedan form and extra goodies, but is300 is rated as one of the best handling sedan (scaa d stock class, same as the 4wd wrx) it has identical 1/4 mile time with the rx-8 (even though, like you have mentioned heavier) it easily outperform the wrx on the highway, and there are currently over 100 turbo/supercharged is300. i wont really count that as boring

Ike

DoWnIQ was the one that was talking about a chip... so talk to him about that one, I was just refuting his bragging about getting a chip, but you did a much better job than I did :p

I was a bit strong with my statement, but Torque will not help the IS once you're in the powerband, HP makes a car pull, torque gets it going. He was talking about a car pulling, which often refers to a race from a roll, so that was my frame of reference. In a race from a roll torque will not help much if any.

Say what you will about the WRX, but I never said the IS300 doesn't look good, I actually like it, but those lights and the grill are a freaking crime. The car and mankind would have benefited from them being left off the car.

Correct me if I'm wrong but IS300s run low to mid 15s stock mostly mid @90mph, with a good driver. With equal drivers that is NOT even close to identical, since a good driver in an RX-8 should run mid to high 14s.

I speak from personal experience when I say it does not out perform the WRX on the highway, nor will it the RX-8, the IS300 traps around 90mph and thats is not going to pull either car on the highway.

Lastly, they are nice when turboed and I wouldn't mind owning a turbo one myself, but doWN doesn't have a turbo now, and I bet he doesn't even have a MT. Just because you can strap an aftermarket turbo on a car does not make it a fast car in stock form.

Rendezvous

just playing with you on the wrx's look

from what i see on the board, and various magz (including my friend's) the rx-8 run an average of high 14 to mid 15 in stock form, they are slightly faster than the is300, but not even worth to be mentioned.

in regards about wrx on the highway, i too speak based on personal exprience, many people ( i think even you yourself) know that wrx is a killer from a stop, but they dont do really well on mid to high.

i personally would love to try to race the sti, but no luck as of today

Ike

Well you did say identical, and a car that traps 90mph and one that traps 94 or 95 mph is a big difference, as is a half to full second in the 1/4 mile.

I've proven to a few IS300s when I was stock that they will not take a stock WRX on the highway, I had to prove it to one guy about 5 times in a row... Given equal drivers the IS WILL lose, maybe 100+ the IS will start to walk the WRX due to gearing, but that's your only shot. Maybe you raced someone that was a bad driver, or maybe you were modded? I admit the WRX's strong point is not from a roll, but it's not pokey like some people seem to think. Once you hit overdriv... err 4th gear it takes a hit, but it opens up nicely with mods thank god.

Gord96BRG

Actually, that's exactly what the car companies do - they hand the magazines the cars, and the magazines take them away and do their own independent testing, with their own independent test drivers. It's no scam, and you've just demonstrated that you know absolutely nothing of how magazine test results are obtained - it looks like you're just making excuses for relatively poor IS300 test numbers? Why would you think that Lexus didn't also send their best test driver and pay them big money? (Your asinine theory, not mine!)

Regards,
Gordon