Flashwing

Stealth is my hero!

wonderful-life

didnt u see the "TURBO" i wrote after the names of the car? and WHEN did i say they were stock???? U need start reading before u responding ****. I said when mazda decides to make a new rotary car , it sould have more hp stock. Volvo T5 i was talking about had 140Hp from the begining. The Golf MK3 had 100hp. You dont know much about other cars..


First of all, never said a stock civic has 500hp
Second, im not whining, just wondering why it is like that. And its true, the engine lacks power and with mods over $8000 you should get over 450hp atleast. not 300
You need to visit Dr Phil dont know what u are talking about.
DOES THE RX8 HAVE THE 20B?????????? Im talking about the rx8, and the rx8 doesnt have 20b, it has the 13b. No I LOVE my rx8 and wouldnt trade it for a civic just for its power. I just wondering why its so difficult for the 8 to get around 450-500hp, its not hard to mod other cars to 500hp like the 8 trust me. I JUST WONDER WHY, IM NOT SELLING MY RX8, IM NOT WHINING, IM TALKING ABOUT SOMETING I DONT KNOW ABOUT. I hope sombody get my point.

m1pui

I've seen some awesome Saabs and Volvos from Sweden churning out big horse power

A lot of the Swedes make monster engines in their own garages using simple straight forward parts/methods so I know where Wonderful Life is coming from, i admire that the renesis is quite a work of engineering but it is a shame that we can't take advantage of the same power increases that come by so easily on regular engines.

wonderful-life

and you are my hero

Flashwing

Where is it written down or proven that $8000 in mods "should" equal over 450whp?

Here's the real answer...economics. The RX8 is a niche market car with a limited ownership. Of that limited ownership, even fewer people are going to spend the money for aftermarket performance. As I mentioned before, most people wait until their warranty has expired before investing in major horsepower modifications.

So your target audiance is 2004, 2005 and some 2006 owners who want major horsepower. We're talking about very few people.

So, naturally products are going to cost more because shops are only going to sell a limited number of them. Many products made for the RX8 are made using excess production because companies don't make much money on the RX8 market.

So, if you're complaint is about money then I suggest going and buying a Mustang where $3000 can buy you a whipple or a KB supercharger and put down 500whp+.

As for the RX8. The RENESIS is every bit as capable of making 500whp but because of the limited amount of time and effort into engineering it's still difficult and still expensive.

As I mentioned before, speed isn't decided only on horsepower. It's decided on things light weight, chassis design and overall performance. A "fast" car and a "powerful" car don't always go hand in hand.

Based on what I'm seeing, you're looking for a dyno queen. You want an RX8 with 500whp to brag to your friends and show off to the girls. You want a dyno sheet with that big "500 whp" stamp on it. Again, if you want a car with that then you bought the wrong one.

There are plenty of 500whp+ RX8's out there. People who are serious about power don't waste their time and money on the RENESIS and instead buy a 3 rotor 20b. The concept is proven and the results are easier. The only people who are interested in doing 500whp with the RENESIS are people who are on a limited budget and want a kit they can buy without having to perform an engine swap.

You clearly have no understanding of this car, no understanding of this motor, have spent no time trying to research what performance capabilities have been achieved and what it being worked on. My advice is take the time to research the motor and how it works and the answers to your questions will become clear without having to rattle a hornets nest.

It's irritating when people pass judgements on a car based only on it's HP numbers without regard for anything else.

rx 8speciale

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hahhaaha dude simple answer the engine is totally different compare to piston and mazda didnt include no turbo like the previous rx7... so if you wat more horsepower for a good price change your car ... and why the hell you need 500 horsepower anyway ..are you going pro racer ... just install a turbo and be happy in the low 13.0. in 1/4 mile or autox the rx8 thats is what is made for.

dillsrotary

Wonder life you seem to already be extremely well taught in the rx8 already, i mean look at the vast knowledge this thread of his:

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...11#post2810811

Please stop making threads.

neXib

You claim that Mazda needs to give the rotary power to save it, yet you compare it to among others some brands that are a lick from getting washed off the face of the earth.

The fact is that with the exception of perhaps Toyota, nobody has had a more sensible approach to the 2000s than Mazda. Their cars look better and better and they have healthy enough economics to be able to still spend money on niche projects like the rotary engine. The next version will surely have more power and torque, and most importantly be more fuel efficient. More power will never save the engine or the car, because half of the people moan about power, the other half moan about fuel efficiency. One of those halves can be shut up, which do you think it will be?

Hint: Not the one moaning about power. People ALWAYS want more power. Even if it had a 20B that produced 350 HP NA.

I for one am happy that they continue deving the rotary engine and do it sensibly as all their business moves, there will always be turbos and power to add for other people that need more. And Mazda doesn't need Swedes telling them how to do it

reaper1

Trust me I agree with you . I would love some more power and so would the majority of the other members , unfortuanally there is nothing we can do about it , but to buy a faster car. You just got the wrong car ,if you expected any horse power out of it .

Derex'8

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Wonderful-Life if you would READ, UNDERSTAND, AND COMPREHEND, you would see my whole point in my statement.

Let me break it down for you, None of those cars AGAIN you mentioned made above 400whp on the stock internals. My point is you can make over 400+whp on the renesis engine w/out doing anything to the engine itself. That is quite a feat in itself since you fail to see that.

But anyway this is pointless, and stated before please do us all a favor and sell your car and by a dyno queen.

Bastage

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sorry, but this belongs here:

wantan8

Go test drive a GT500 and an RX8 back-to-back and tell me which one is more fun to drive.

If you want brute force for cheap, Mustang all the way.

Everything else though....RX8, hands down. Driving is so much more than just a mash-on-the-gas-and-go event.

The point is that you can get ridiculous horsepower in almost any car these days. I could easily chip my GTI to be ridiculous. Who cares though? The GTI is still just a suped up econo-box no matter what you do or say. Cars are more than horsepower as you will soon figure out driving the GT500 and RX8 back-to-back. I'm actually so relieved that there is a car that isn't trying to win the testosterone award.

wonderful-life

Ok guys. I located the problem. And I would like to apologize.
You see, I'm 19 years old and I love my life. I love to get thrilled and excited.
You guys are not arguing againt me, it seems you all are against power and speed. Since i'm 19 and love that kind of stuf, I just wanted to know how I could make my loving rx8 faster and more thrilling to drive. And why that is so difficult to achieve with the RX8 engine.

And I suspect that all of u are over 35+ and for that reason I have nothing more to say. Getting thrilled and excited is my life. I feel sorry for those who don't want that out of life. Maybe when I turn 40 I will became one of you. Once again I apologize.

wantan8

First and most important question, have you ever actually driven an RX8?

Just about every reviewer world-wide gives the the 8 top marks for fun-to-drive.

As I won't repeat again, fun-to-drive is more than just who has the most horsepower. You'll find that out as you grow up a bit.

I'm 26, thanks for playing though.

CyberPitz

hmph....hm....HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

REsuperD

19? sounds more like 9

rddragoness

If it were American made then bolt on's for that kind of hp I'm sure are plentiful, and rather inexpensive in comparison. You work with what you have, and IMHO you should have done more research if that kind of hp is what you are looking for at this point in the revolution of the Renesis engine..

Although I am no expert I would say that to to these upgrades would throw off the balance in the car with the extra weight, and ruin the main reason for the design of this particular vehicle and that is hands down handling.. Again, IMHO without that, the 8 would be just another car. Her 50/50 weight balance is what makes her unique.

WVBoosted8

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My goal is 300, which will be attainable with the mm upgraded turbo and some other supporting mods. I dont think I have ever been in a car and NEEDED 500 hp. If you need a dyno to tell you a car is nice, then I dont think the rx8 is for you at all.

dillsrotary

Ah typical teenage response, you couldn't hold your end of the argument so you turn to non car related attacks. Whats wrong, couldn't defend yourself?

You should at least have kept on going and defended your logic (if you can call it logic.) Instead this thread will spiral away to insults and attacks on character.

zoom44

[QUOTE=wonderful-life;2814093]

have fun insulting people somewhere else. banned

end of story. thread closed.

shadycrew31

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awww don't ban him I just found this...

stock rx8 versus stock m5 @500hp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huyYlyMooSY

DarkLord7854

Why is this a sticky? O.o

Rootski

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Wait. You're 19, and you've apparently owned 4 cars over 500hp? BS flag!

I don't know of a single 19-year-old who has any business with 500hp. Ever wonder if these folks that you're disparaging for being older might know something more? Of course not, teenagers know everything. Having been one not too long ago, I can say with confidence I wish I knew as much now as I did when I was 19.

If you were humbly requesting information on how to "make your loving RX8 faster" for the thrills and excitement to get all thrilled and excited and all that nonsense, you would have walked away from the major horsepower upgrades section with some good information on how to do exactly that. But that wasn't your intent, you were just pissing and moaning about how you can't get big gains out of this motor.

You're someone who thinks numbers are everything- it's no fun without 500 horsepower, 300 just isn't enough (having never driven a turbo 8 therefore having no basis for that claim), life ends at 40, $8000 is too much. No one here is against power and speed, just your flawed definition of it; because if you really just cared about the speed, you wouldn't sweat the numbers. You just want to tell people your car has 500hp.

dozer

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for all those noobs that think they can smoke an EVO with h/i/e combos...

staticlag

Zoom must've hit the wrong button?