RX8 and the New Civic
05-08-2008, 01:32 PM
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FWD's main disadvantage is on corner exit as the wheel doing the turning is suddenly also being asked to do the accelerating. You certainly don't need 300 hp to see the issues; my 180 hp Celica GT-S simply did not want to come out of a corner on the power. I had to play a waiting game with that car until it was pretty much all straightened out, or else I'd get bad inside wheelspin. By comparison, the RX-8 is absolutely rock solid on corner exit.
Though I have seen that somewhat newer FWD cars have suspension designs that regulate the issue you talk about. I think I read that among others in the Mazda 3 MPS (Mazdaspeed) reviews. Celica probably doesn't have that though, but all cars aren't the same. Although in theory you are of course right.
05-08-2008, 01:39 PM
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Oh silly me... I forgot that because RWD lost it must of have been that the particular RWD vehicle wasn't modified/setup to compete and win races 
Yes the team is obviously racing for it's 'health'. We should all think this way and pass on our rwd defeats as such excuses (as if the RWD layout isn't enough of "advantage" therefore it's ego needs an 'excuse').
The examples I cited it just to clearly dispel the perception in this thread that RWD guarantees you a victory. RWD is a double edge sword and it does have it's compromises.
Yes the team is obviously racing for it's 'health'. We should all think this way and pass on our rwd defeats as such excuses (as if the RWD layout isn't enough of "advantage" therefore it's ego needs an 'excuse').The examples I cited it just to clearly dispel the perception in this thread that RWD guarantees you a victory. RWD is a double edge sword and it does have it's compromises.
05-08-2008, 01:50 PM
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Now here we have a bit of an issue. It seems the general consensus among those that have owned both cars is that the RX-8 is a better handling car than the Prelude SH. Granted "handling" is such a nebulous term, but overall people have given the edge to the RX-8 in terms of turn-in, balance, grip, breakaway, exit, and transient characteristics so I think the RX-8 has the Prelude SH pretty well covered.
05-08-2008, 02:37 PM
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You still don't get it. I wasn't saying any of that, more so pointing out that the comparisons you made make no valid point in this conversation. So just stop posting, you are just making yourself look more stupid. My last car was an Integra Type R, I'm not sitting here bashing on those cars, just that you are an idiot for comparing the cars that you did from that program and applying it to this conversation. just stop.
Who said I was bashing cars?! If anything I am actually pointing out some merits that stand up for the FWD underdog.
and your apples to oranges argument doesn't work if RWD already has the upper hand towards ensuring victory and still loses... it just makes it all the worse.
And why would 2 modified cars going against each other to battle it out for drive train supremacy be invalidated? Oh right... people don't modify their cars anymore...
05-08-2008, 03:16 PM
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Rofl a stock GS-T will NOT beat an RX8. That was the competition for the 5th Gen Prelude. And without SOME sort of mods there is no way in ******* hell a Civic SI got 14.1. Weight reduction or something but no way in **** COMPLETELY stock 14.1 The fastest I've seen was 14.8 with slicks. 14.9 Power shifting without slicks.
But seriosuly a stock GST WILL beat a rx8 but wont crush it..
1st gear the 8 pulls
2nd 8 pulls
3rd even
4th eclipse begine to creep
and BARELY beats rx8 plus we didnt even Boost launch or W.e its called.. we had to wait for the turbo to spool but they are both quick!
the eclipse has 200HP and 214 TQ!
its a close run very close the 8 wins but in the long run the eclipse creeps right up the back of a rx8..
oh and BTW my car had CAI, Power pulleys and cat back exhaust..... the eclipse was stock it just had new air filter, new clutcha nd resurfaced flywheel and new coolant and a rebuilt motor along with a REBUILT head..
I miss my DSM!!!!!!!
anyways I like MR2's the 93's 94's i think they look soo nice especialy the white ones witht he T top
05-08-2008, 03:19 PM
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I haven't driven a RX-8 yet, am waiting for mine
Though I have seen that somewhat newer FWD cars have suspension designs that regulate the issue you talk about. I think I read that among others in the Mazda 3 MPS (Mazdaspeed) reviews. Celica probably doesn't have that though, but all cars aren't the same. Although in theory you are of course right.
Though I have seen that somewhat newer FWD cars have suspension designs that regulate the issue you talk about. I think I read that among others in the Mazda 3 MPS (Mazdaspeed) reviews. Celica probably doesn't have that though, but all cars aren't the same. Although in theory you are of course right.
05-08-2008, 03:42 PM
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look it up man.. i think it dynoed at like 188 at the wheels and 133 TQ at the wheels completely stock!
But seriosuly a stock GST WILL beat a rx8 but wont crush it..
1st gear the 8 pulls
2nd 8 pulls
3rd even
4th eclipse begine to creep
and BARELY beats rx8 plus we didnt even Boost launch or W.e its called.. we had to wait for the turbo to spool but they are both quick!
the eclipse has 200HP and 214 TQ!
its a close run very close the 8 wins but in the long run the eclipse creeps right up the back of a rx8..
oh and BTW my car had CAI, Power pulleys and cat back exhaust..... the eclipse was stock it just had new air filter, new clutcha nd resurfaced flywheel and new coolant and a rebuilt motor along with a REBUILT head..
I miss my DSM!!!!!!!
anyways I like MR2's the 93's 94's i think they look soo nice especialy the white ones witht he T top
But seriosuly a stock GST WILL beat a rx8 but wont crush it..
1st gear the 8 pulls
2nd 8 pulls
3rd even
4th eclipse begine to creep
and BARELY beats rx8 plus we didnt even Boost launch or W.e its called.. we had to wait for the turbo to spool but they are both quick!
the eclipse has 200HP and 214 TQ!
its a close run very close the 8 wins but in the long run the eclipse creeps right up the back of a rx8..
oh and BTW my car had CAI, Power pulleys and cat back exhaust..... the eclipse was stock it just had new air filter, new clutcha nd resurfaced flywheel and new coolant and a rebuilt motor along with a REBUILT head..
I miss my DSM!!!!!!!
anyways I like MR2's the 93's 94's i think they look soo nice especialy the white ones witht he T top
05-08-2008, 05:08 PM
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The MPS' "feature" is bleeding off boost pressure in the lower gears so that the torque doesn't overwhelm the front tires. A limited slip diff also helps a FWD car out of corners. While the Celica didn't have either of those features, it didn't change the physics of FWD cars, which is that the front wheels are asked to do too much and as you accelerate out of a corner you transfer weight rearward, which in a FWD is exactly what you don't want to do.
05-09-2008, 02:23 AM
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Because a Civic Si is more practical (bigger interior, bigger trunk, MUCH bigger trunk opening <- key) and gets better gas mileage. Not to mention a Si is actually better equipped than a base RX-8. I mean you might as well apply to your argument to be "the RX-8 outhandles a Camry for a similar price, why would you ever want to buy a Camry?" All of these cars are at different points of the practicality/fun trade-off curve.
The Integra Type R, stock for stock, is faster than a RX-8 on track.
And Richard, the S2000 engines have oil consumption rates about similar to that of a typical Renesis engine.
The Integra Type R, stock for stock, is faster than a RX-8 on track.
And Richard, the S2000 engines have oil consumption rates about similar to that of a typical Renesis engine.
someone asked, "does civic even have double wish-bone?".
why wouldn't it??? rx-8 is only double in the front and multi-link in the rear!
seems like the very negative comments only come from those who don't even do their homework...
and i hate to agree with you about your comment. but how can i not??? though i don't really like integra's too much. maybe for the same reasons as other forum members on here does, but i'm not in denial.
05-09-2008, 02:25 AM
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^^ lion, funny how i wanted to use the type R as a example compare. but it seems like you beat me to it. and i agree with all that you said.
someone asked, "does civic even have double wish-bone?".
why wouldn't it??? rx-8 is only double in the front and multi-link in the rear!
seems like the very negative comments only come from those who don't even do their homework...
and i hate to agree with you about your comment. but how can i not??? though i don't really like integra's too much. maybe for the same reasons as other forum members on here does, but i'm not in denial.
someone asked, "does civic even have double wish-bone?".
why wouldn't it??? rx-8 is only double in the front and multi-link in the rear!
seems like the very negative comments only come from those who don't even do their homework...
and i hate to agree with you about your comment. but how can i not??? though i don't really like integra's too much. maybe for the same reasons as other forum members on here does, but i'm not in denial.
05-09-2008, 02:50 AM
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Oh silly me... I forgot that because RWD lost it must of have been that the particular RWD vehicle wasn't modified/setup to compete and win races Yes the team is obviously racing for it's 'health'. We should all think this way and pass on our rwd defeats as such excuses (as if the RWD layout isn't enough of "advantage" therefore it's ego needs an 'excuse').
The examples I cited it just to clearly dispel the perception in this thread that RWD guarantees you a victory. RWD is a double edge sword and it does have it's compromises.
Yes the team is obviously racing for it's 'health'. We should all think this way and pass on our rwd defeats as such excuses (as if the RWD layout isn't enough of "advantage" therefore it's ego needs an 'excuse').The examples I cited it just to clearly dispel the perception in this thread that RWD guarantees you a victory. RWD is a double edge sword and it does have it's compromises.
and don't for one second think that there aren't full of ricers in another sports car purest club forum, right?
i sense only the close minded ones are the ricers that are uneducated and "afraid" to try others and believe whatever platform/car/rx8 vs. X is always better.
and just to let you know F22C, H22A is ur daddy.
05-09-2008, 02:57 AM
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had 2 of them myself. and although the rear wishbone are of a funny shape, it still is. and even accords have them.
ouch... EVEN ACCORDS!
just playin tho guys. the RX-8 is great. i don't care if its got multi-link rears and that the miata have front AND rear wishbone... it just has natural good handling and yaw characteristics.
but with the RWD is a double edge sword thing... yeah, agreed. it sucks to be the lesser driver of a RWD in a hydroplane-induced spin out.
ouch... EVEN ACCORDS!
just playin tho guys. the RX-8 is great. i don't care if its got multi-link rears and that the miata have front AND rear wishbone... it just has natural good handling and yaw characteristics.
but with the RWD is a double edge sword thing... yeah, agreed. it sucks to be the lesser driver of a RWD in a hydroplane-induced spin out.
05-09-2008, 03:33 AM
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wow, cant believe everybody's so worked up on this thread...
I heard the new fd1 civic type r handles like a rwd, if that has to do anything thing that somebody might of posted here...(didnt' feel like reading)
I heard the new fd1 civic type r handles like a rwd, if that has to do anything thing that somebody might of posted here...(didnt' feel like reading)
05-09-2008, 12:51 PM
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05-10-2008, 05:50 PM
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Except for the NSX, when Honda utilizes double wishbones on their cars they're made of either steel or cast iron. The RX-8's arms are largely forged aluminum (as on the NSX).
The RSX uses the same cheap strut design the Civic's had since the '01 model year.
The RSX uses the same cheap strut design the Civic's had since the '01 model year.