SideOfBacon

LateralSpeed

lol ^

124Spider

You guys really take the cake with your desperation.

Nobody who knows what he's talking about said the S2000 is a "purpose-built race car." Nobody who knows what he's talking about would think for a minute that the S2000, with its 2800 pounds and normally-aspirated 4-cylinder engine, costing all of $32,000, should be in super stock, home of the C6, Viper and Elise. But then, of course, many people posting on this thread have no idea what they're talking about.

Of these two cars, the S2000 is the more raw, visceral driving experience, better tuned, out of the box, for its best performance (for instance, unless you want to spend thousands of dollars on custom-made shocks, the stock shocks are as good as it gets while staying in stock class for autocross for the S2000, while the RX-8 gains immensely with the relatively inexpensive Koni Yellows). Being lighter, lower, better-sprung, and more powerful, it is, predictably enough, faster and more agile than the RX-8, in stock form.

The RX-8 was built for a completely different purpose. It's supposed to be more comfortable, more practical, and easier to put up with as a daily driver. And it is. It's supposed to be a blast to drive, in stock form. And it is. Despite Mazda's fudging the horsepower numbers, it isn't supposed to be quite as fast or nimble as the S2000. And it isn't. Except to those whose ego is so strangely tied up in thinking that a $23,000 car is the be-all and end-all of automotive performance, this is all pretty obvious stuff.

For some of you, apparently, however, these are fighting words.

RevURGT3

Corvette vs 911, 911 vs Ferraris (any), S2000 vs RX-8, my dad can beat up your dad, etc...



Get over it! There is no Car A is better than Car B. Many have fought that battle and got nowhere... look at EVERY car forum out there... there are millions and millions of similar posts, they are all the same and do not provide an real objective point of view. We are all biased.

Seriously, if you post a question like "which one is should I get or which one is -better-, the s2000 or the RX-8" on a RX-8 forum... what type of sugestions would you expect to get???? Get the S2000?

Car buying is an emotional process. Get what you like and what you think it will better suit your driving style and lifestyle.

And please, kill this thread...

9291150

This thread still going on? I got out pages ago.

My dad once told me that he who argues the longest and the loudest is unusually the biggest dumb-*** in the room - advice that some here could use.

SideOfBacon

Ike

Yes, pages ago, as in last page on Dec. 4th. However has this thread managed to continue on!

P.S. Nice work paraphrasing (misrepresenting) a long drawn out discussion and still not managing to show me where I said a stock Evo is faster than than a C6 Vette. Once again, your reading comprehension skills rivals that of most first graders.

9291150

This was your quote, word for word.

Instead, maybe you can explain to us how “you don’t know” if a C6 can beat an Evo. Is it on a gravel race track?? Maybe the Vette is missing a tire??? I got it…Gary Coleman is driving the Vette! Can’t see over the wheel?? Maybe a combo of all three??? What'chu talkin' 'bout, Ike?

Just trying to understand how you have no idea if a lighter purpose built sportscar with 430/400hp would beat a stock Evo…unless you’re a raging Evo fanboi.

RA-Eight

iTrader: (6)

Well said. I'll make it a point to copy and paste this each time a new S2000 vs. RX-8 thread pops up.

Roaddemon

Except for the $23,000 part. The base price on our be all - end all rx8 is $27,070.
Gt is over $31,000. The Base S is still a more expensive car. Those Hondas are overpriced for what you get IMO.

None of this changes the fact that Ike is an Evo fanboi and won't admit it. I on the other hand admit I love my rx-8 and proud of it. After all this is an RX-8 forum.

tajabaho1

how can this **** still be alive??!!! ike u fail

124Spider

Wow, you really go out of your way to show your ignorance, don't you? And those true fanboi credentials; good for you!

If you pay $27k for a base RX-8, I've got that same bridge to sell you (I've sold it many times, but it remains a hot item). We paid about that for our new-off-the-showroom-floor GT (a little less, actually). And the base would be the best performer, being the lightest.

I particularly love how you can state, apparently with a straight face, that the price of an RX-8 starts at $27k (that's really funny, BTW), but you think that the S2000 is overpriced. It seems to have escaped your notice (along with lots and lots of other things, obviously), but the market sets prices, not fanbois, which is why the S2000 actually costs around $32,000, while only an absolute idiot would talk about paying anywhere close to sticker for an RX-8. But Mazda truly appreciates those who happily pay sticker for these cars, so I'm sure you're a popular guy in some quarters.

tajabaho1

let it go dude, let it go

Roaddemon

Are you finished blowing your wad now? Rx8 msrp is $27,070. If you can get it for less good for you. The entire Honda line is overpriced. Especially the S. It's a Halo car for the overpriced line up under the Honda badge. You can't win an arguement over that. Give up and surrender. Let it go bro. I salute you.

tajabaho1

die damn u

LateralSpeed

Honda's aren't overpriced, they're one of the best bang for your buck QUALITY brands on the market. Sure, you can get a KIA or Hyundai for less, but it won't have the same build quality/reliability that you get with a Honda. You can lease a Honda Accord for 199/month with not much out of pocket and it has MANY of the same features that the base 8 has minus the performance, not really overpriced IMO. But common, you can't compare apples to oranges, and that's what you're trying to do when you compare the S2k and 8, especially with costs.

Roaddemon

They are overpriced. compare msrp on similiar Mazda models to Honda. You pay thousands more for the Honda. Like the "know it all here" says, Rx8.s are selling for $8G Less than s2000. He must sell them for that. Your paying for the Honda name. They break just like any other car. Quality is the same on most cars now. Mazda is a much better bang for the buck. Most people know that and the mags refer to it. Another reason to buy The 8. 199/mo for what? A 2nd lease used Accord fleet car. Get real people. Now lets' get the " die damn you" on here. He really makes good sence too. Real intelligent guy for half a brain.

CosmosMpower

Do you even do your research before you spew this crap out of your mouth?

The S2K stickers at 34K presently and you can get a year end close out new one for about 29K. A fully loaded RX-8 GT stickers around 34-35K and you can buy one for about 27-28. Maybe your math is just horrible but that's not 8 grand. Either way if you're crying about a 10% difference on a bunch of sub 30K cars you probably should just buy a Ford Fiesta and call it a day.

P.S. our S2000 is now 8 years old with 107K on the clock and it's been autocrossed it's whole life. The only non maintenance repairs it's had is an A/C idler pulley that went out and a rear upper control arm bushing replacement.

Roaddemon

Re read previous posts and you will see I'm spewing crap flung out there by others. I believe It's been said by self acclaimed experts that the base 8's MSRP is fake and your an idiot if you pay more than$23,000 new. Ha, ha, ha. You fanbois sure know how to throw it out in your favor. I think it's time to get take the gloves off and put on my boots. honda makes a solid engine. Probably the best 4 banger in the world. Mazda makes the best and only rotary in the world. maybe you want to jump to piston vs rotary? Where's the die thread guy now? Not awake yet. I had two accords. They were just as costly to own as my mazdas. I see no ownership advantage in a Honda. But of course I'm spewing crap according to you oh great wizard.

costello

Yeah, but what about the base model RX-8? They go for 22k new (before taxes). If you're going to do any motorsports events why even consider the other trim levels? That's a big gap when compared it to S2000, 350Z, etc. That was the deal maker for me.

No knock against Honda though. They make good cars. I traded in a Honda Prelude with 110k miles which saw track and autocross duties after the first oil change. No major issues. Hopefully the 8 will be as good.

CosmosMpower

I really don't give a crap since I'm not as worried about "cost of ownership" on a 20K car. I buy my cars to have fun and always end up getting a good value out of them in the end. I bought my 05 Sport RX-8 new for $20,500 and lost 13% in a year and a half and 18,000 miles of use.

I enjoy all car makes and models (owned, Honda, BMW, Nissan, Mazda, Lotus).
and the RX-8 is a good car but the only reason I would ever buy one over an S2000 is the need for 2 extra seats. I realized I didn't need those seats and so I no longer have an RX-8. But have fun worrying about "cost of maintenance" and worrying about buying the next quart of oil a while I run out and go drive my Elise, S2000 and Miata.

CosmosMpower

You're right, if you just want to use the car for track/autocross it would be dumb to get a leather/sunroof model car. However, for the base price you don't get any luxuries such as traction control, HID headlights, leather etc so that's not a head to head match up as far as price/ammenities goes to a new S2000. I hope you enjoy the RX-8, it's a good autocross car.

delhi

RX-8 is a great all around car with sporting qualities like an S2000 and yet a wonderful DD like a 3-series.

CosmosMpower

I wouldn't quite say that. The MPG is terrible, it's not as luxurious, less torque, the backseats are smaller and harder to access and the trunk is way smaller than a 3 series. I would dare say it's better in the performance segment then it is in comfort/practicality vs a luxury sedan but it is well rounded for what it is (sub 3000 lbs which is a feat in itself).

LateralSpeed

Do some research, I know what you can buy/lease them for because I sold them for over a year. You can lease a NEW accord for 199/mo with little money out of pocket. Now i'm sorry if you pay too much a month for your cars, don't get mad because you got ripped off in the past. And where is this much better bang for your buck?? New Honda Civic base price 14,800... New Mazda 3 base price 14,500, WOOOOW $300!!! New Honda Accord 20,300... new Mazda 6 19,600. Where's the paying thousands more?? It's a fact that Honda's last longer than Mazda's. I'm glad you are proud of your brand, I am proud of them too, see I own two of them. But don't spit out dumbass figures when you clearly haven't read up on it at all. You want to talk about reliability? Take a poll on here for how many 8 owners have had their engines replaced(under warranty or not) and take the same poll on a S2k forum and the number will be a small percentage of that.

http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-coupe/

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/disp...ehicleCode=M3S

http://automobiles.honda.com/accord/

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/disp...ehicleCode=MZ6