threeputtwash

I think things like engine performance kind of matters when I get a car.

Is it me, or does it seem like Herc and some other members here are on a high horses? I've been reading from this forum for a long time, and I can't believe how unaccepted non-rx8 praise is.

Anything negative commented about the RX-8 MUST be presented with upmost diplomacy, lest you be considered a troll. And if you don't have enough posts, they'll just label you as a newbie, then consider you a troll. I'm going to use Herc as an example here, because....well....he seems to be the ringleader in this whole "high and mighty" scenario. I've seen plenty of his posts pissing on newer members. Heck, he even gives the "I've got more posts than you" attitude. Just recently (too lazy to search and quote), he told someone off saying that the person (I'm going to paraphrase) "hasn't anything to contribute, look at the low post count".
I must agree that some people are baiting (and trolling). But lots of times, I see posts that seem pretty decent, and seem to be true questions or points, then SLAMMMM!!!! The "RX-8 is the greatest, don't diss our car, I'm a super-fanatical future buyer, I've been in this forum longer therefore I know better than you" crew goes and takes the comment apart.

Take this thread for example. The person starting the post was making a point as to why the TONE of the article showed more praise for the G35, but lost in the point system. I don't remember reading this point in any previous thread (though it might have just slipped through), and I've been visiting this thread 8-10 times a day for the past several months. Yes, yes, yes, there are several threads about that C&D review, but I don't remember people making points about the actual TONE of the article.

Anyways, had to get all this off my chest.....all this intolerance was about to make me burst, and I just had to vent.

Time to go hide in a hole now, because I pretty sure I'm about to be flamed for siding with the "nay-sayers"

Hercules

I'll clarify my position.

Yes, I did say that one member had a low postcount and had contributed nothing.

But that's also because that same member started here by trolling. When your first five posts consist of "the RX-8 isn't safe" or "engine is inferior", or just attacking Mazda as a company... well in my eyes you're not here for constructive debate.

I simply pointed out that this person had in his 20 some-odd posts, had mainly posted negative things and that this is no way to build a conversation or have a friendly debate. If they were founded comments then I'd be happy to debate him about it -- but they weren't.

I don't care that people talk ill of the RX-8. Just show me some proof is all I'm asking. This also fosters good debate and also can show Mazda how people are reacting instead of ultimately playing favorites with their respective car or car company.

It benefits nobody to have trolls that are here for the singular reason to start arguements. I believe the notion was correct in that we have to ignore them but invariably that won't happen (and I'm guilty of it myself), and thus we need to have a strict ban policy or else this site will get out of control.

Anyhoo, if you've got a particular comment or question I'd be glad to answer it. But if there's a thread ongoing about it I'd prefer you use that. I'm sure I'll find ya

RotorMotor

I'm with Herc on this one....

You don't come to a board for a specific car and lambast that car on your first post to the forum. Period. And especially without searching and realizing that it's been done thousands of times before. All this "Yeah, but if you only read part of the C&D article, my car clearly wins" crap is childish and ignorant.

And as far as this Skyline dude is concerned, I'm not going to advance the onset of carpel tunnel any more keystrokes than I already have.....

I belieive Herc's point and the points of most of our responsible, active moderators here is that if you're going to dis the RX8, have a little fact, or at least some semi-logical opinion behind it.

I have been Internet-saavy for many, many years now (pre-ISP days where all you had were BBCs), and have found very few forums as informative, more-or-less on topic, and free of immature, ignorant flaming and banter as this one. I'd like to see it continue that way, and if that means that the mods have to come down harshly on people who behave poorly, I'll gladly accept that.

Yes, the first amendment does say that you have a right to freedom of speech, but if you come into my house and talk crap to me with no provocation and an unwillingness to debate any fact, I'll show you the door in little to no time. Same rules should apply here.

threeputtwash

Granted that there are some trolls her that just talk trash and leave.
But you also have to realize that your reference to "constructive debate" and "arguements" are basically the same thing. Seriously now....what's the difference between these two things, except for the amount of emotion put into them? (and the amount of diplomacy put into the phrasing of their "debate")

I (like I'm sure most of everyone here) wish some of the "trolling" is just phrased better, then we would all have a better time "debating"......

It's like someone saying, "I wish the RX-8 had more low end torque" versus saying "I wonder if the Renesis engine can produce more torque, and if so, by what means would you do it?"
They're both basically saying the same thing. One just hides the personal aspect of it better, and doesn't "insult" the RX-8....
Maybe it's just the way I read things.....both of these, to me, would produce the same response of, "gee, how can it get more torque? and what would be the best way?"
But most people here would just flame at the first saying, and treat the second one far more favorably.

All I'm asking is for the troll-callers to see through the "packaging" of the "debate/arguement".....

DISCLAIMER: I do realize some of these peeps are really trolls....but I've seen plenty with real questions and valid concerns be grouped in the "troll" category.

zoom44

threeput thanks for voicing your opinion on the matter and not going to hide in your hole. it is appreciated. i think you said it better than most