allstate

Umm....no. I am not trying to downplay the situation. I just am just not going overboard drawing rash conclusions from such a small amount of data.

Sneakyracer

Kev, you are being an a-hole. Obviously you didnt read all the posts. AND you live in Australia. most problems seem to be with US (NA) SPEC Cars!!! so all these problems should NOT concern you.

Anyway, I dont wish any RX8 bad regarding their car.

btw, english is NOT my first language. I try to do my best. Lets see you try and speak other languages as well.


Allstate, cool. Yea, I think the internet is prone to make things blow out of proportion. But untill we have some real data and more info nothing will be set in stone yet.

I remember at first when people were questioning the Power of the RX8. Look what happened a rerating.


Anyway , i will repeat this again, problems are not exclusive to Mazda, obviously.

Kev

I don't mind being a "a-hole" if it get's my point across, MY POINT. I don't try and generalise and quote crap about other people's opinions.

I post my own opinions based on my own experience. I also credit other people's coal face experiences with the RX8.

I have NO time for people that read one thing, amplify it a thousand times, then bleed their crap all over the forum like they've heard it directly from GOD!!!

GROW UP!

btw, my dog can bark in seven different languages - but I take all of the advice he gives me on buying a car with a pinch of salt

Jhouse

no body will ever really know until the years pass and we all see what happens.

allstate

My point exactly. If you are an owner and have problems...feel free to discuss. If you happen to read about these problems....don't panic.

allstate

And let it be known that there are currently no recalls. This is a good sign. This means that all the problems (which are normal for new cars) experienced thus far are isolated occurences. A recall would indicate a more serious problem and something to look at more closely.

renotse

One of the prime attractions of the RX8 when I made my decision to buy was the 4 year 50k mile warranty. It's a pretty low risk proposition if you can deal with a little inconvience. And they offer road side assisance and loaner cars to minimize that.

Most of these so called "POTENTIAL owners " are not giving these assurances proper weight. If they were, they would be driving an 8 and touting its strengths.

Some people are just bitter spoil sports wanting to rain the next guys parade. I wish the Mods would reign in the haters before some of the owners give up on the forum and take thier valuable experiences elsewhere.

ptiemann

I sort of agree with what you say but my calculated number is 11 or 12 liters/ 100 km (corresponding 19-21 mpg). Not 18L/100km.

Still an inefficient engine design.

Those who wrote about "all those BMWs.." in Germany.. last time I was there, I was STUNNED. Really half of all the cars there are subcompacts, that you cannot even buy in the USA.

(Historic Did you know that Mazda had a 121 besides its 323 and 626?


Personally, I just telecommute one day more / week. That makes up for it. Wouldn't want a 121 nor 626 instead.

Ike

http://list.miata.net/pipermail/miat...ry/030857.html


There are some sources that say 18k and others that say 12k so depending on which you believe, but once again I'm not just making these numbers up...

allstate

Although I am not for limiting people's right to speak their mind, I agree that this forum is not as fun as it used to be. Remember the days when everyone was counting down the days until the preorders hit the U.S. shores?! Those sure were great!

Ike

The only person the mods need to "reign" on is this site are the low lifes on this site to turn every debate into a mud slinging contest. There seem to be several people on this site that do little else but launch ad hominem attacks towards me and others that they deem a troll. There is no place on a forum for people like Kev, Shift_zoom8, Renotse, Russell, who couldn't have a debate if there life depended on it without calling someone names. It just goes to show you have no real argument and have to resort to calling names like some stupid highschool kid. But the mods don't have the guts to actually do something about it because they're attacking people that say something they don't like about their beloved car. If this were any other site most of the people I mentioned above would have been banned long ago.
I know if I were to say half the crap and make half the personal attacks any of those people do I would be banned simply because I don't stroke the 8 every chance I get.

Ike

Ike

I guess they're too busy moving threads around for god knows why and locking the 10th post of the day about some RX-8 sitting dead in a garage. Maybe they should be getting rid of crap like this, and doing something about getting rid of the real trolls on this board.

renotse

Been SMOKIN again Ike?

Now your dissing the Mods. You really are full of yourself. I can see it is now only a matter of time.

BYE

bluesunlion

Ok kids, that's enough.

Any first year car has it's issues. I've been following a couple of cars, including the WRX since it first hit our shores. There were broken trannies, there were lunched engines, there were people pissing in the wind on any nitpick possible.
It's a first year car. On top of that, it's "new" (although it's not a new technology) engine. It's a brand new car. Every first year car has bugs. Are the RX8's bugs terminal? Time will tell.
Common sense will tell you to take everything posted here with a grain of salt, good or bad. It's unfortunate that so many people just feel it necessary to pile on. Think first, post second. We'll see actual figures later, after the fact.

Maybe we should have a seperate problems/warranty forum area?

Toadman

Thanks for the suggestion, Ike. Congratulations on your 1-week ban for trolling. See ya around Thanksgiving.

allstate

Finally, a voice of reason.

viggen

... I can tell you that Ford continuously anticipates volumes for new models that are unrealistic given the competitive environment, particularly with its luxury and performance brands/models. For example:

>Lincoln Blackwood pulled from the market after one year, Lincoln Aviator pulled from the market after one year, Ford Thunderbird pulled from the market after one year and so on

I would bet big bucks that Ford/Mazda's volume projections for RX-8 are way out of whack with reality, they don't usually take the following into consideration when planning volumes:

>There has never been such a competitive environment for performance cars under $50k. Z4, Boxster, S2000, TT, SLK, Crossfire, Corvette, 350Z, G35 Coupe, RX-8, WRX, Evo 8, with more on the way like Lotus Elise, new Mustang, potential return of Alfa. A few years ago, this market belonged to just a few entries, now there are many fighting for the same share of the pie

>Second, let's not forget that the RX-8 is a polarizing car for many people. I loved the car he minute I saw the concept, however, many of my friends either disliked it or were wary of the car as a "true" sports car due to the four doors. I believe that interest and volume for RX-8 will build as people get used to it. My car continuously draws interest from people, even when parked amongst Porsches, Ferraris, etc... Amazing. Remember, it's taken the Mazda 6 nearly 18 months to begin achieving its volume potential

>Third, the marketing of the RX-8 is highly suspect. Consumers need to know the benefits - high hp, high performance, outstanding value. Instead, the marketing is focused on the rotary engine -- fine for the few of us on this board. However, the mainstream buyer who is expected to make up the majority of RX-8 volume doesn't know or care about the rotary, in fact mentioning it raises unnecessary questions for these people -- why is it different, is it reliable, etc... They just need to know the RX-8 is fast and powerful

Regarding the potential RX-7, Ford/Mazda invested too much money in the Renesis and the RX-8 platform to turn back. To make the product program work, they'll need additional variants from the RX-8s's currently exclusive platform -- such as an RX-7, RX-8 Coupe or an RX-8 convertible

Toadman

Good post, Viggen.

Zio

I love how if one bad thing is said about 8 everyone comes down on it with a ton of bricks.

Toadman

Would you expect anything less from other car enthusiast forums if you continuously crapped on their forum or in person at a car meet? From a person never intending to buy an RX-8, read his post history and draw your own conclusions.

Elara

Even though Ike isn't here to read this, I wanted to point out something to everyone else in this post of his- look at the dates on this. When it was written by AutoWeek, they were expecting the car to be in the US in May, so yes, they would have sold perhaps 18k between May and December of this year. However, since they didn't go on sale until July, the numbers in this link are not valid. So while he wasn't making up the numbers, he was using them to suit his purpose by ignoring the context and time of the usuage.

What a mess.

MadRonin

I've been following this board since it's inception. I've been a member for well over a year. I don't post much 'cause I usually don't have much to say. But this just irritates me to no end. So I gotta say something...

I've read Ike's posts, and I personally have no problem with what he has to say. He's never come across (to me) as an elitist, nor has he said that RX-8 was crap. Nor have I ever seen him bash someone (who wasn't bashing him first) for his or her opinion. I have seen him defend himself against people who seem to jump on him simply for typing something. He's a car enthusiast, someone who shares a common interest. He's entitled to his opinion, whether anyone agree with him or not.

Ike certainly didn't deserve to get banned for anything he's said. Other people on this board (owners and haters) have said far, far worse and are still posting.

As for people who get rubbed the wrong way by what Ike (and others like him) has to say - ignore him. Don't comment. You're just fanning the flames turining a simple conversation into a big flame war.

Toadman, you're going to ban Ike for voicing his opinion -- an opinion mind you, that hasn’t hurt anyone – well, that’s your right as a Mod. I don’t agree with it, but I can’t stop you either. Personally, however, I think the comment that shift_zoom8 made to Ike (i.e. eunuch and gay) was despicable, and he should banned for it. It was offensive, and uncalled-for, and it shouldn’t be tolerated on this board.

-- MadRonin

Toadman

This advisory goes out to everyone. As car enthusiasts we all have opinions and get heated or passionate about a topic occasionally. (See unrelated Palestine/Israel thread in the Lounge). It is generally overlooked by the mods if the topic stays on tangent and stays civil. In their defense, Mods review posts and prune, move, edit, and discuss daily. Unfortunately with Ike's track record(and numerous complaints) he was made the example. He broke the TOS(flaming, trolling) he agreed upon when he registered. Having an opinion is obviously encouraged, discussed intelligently. Baiting current RX-8 owners and throwing insults at mods/admins as being incompetent doesn't help anyone's credibility and is a sure-fire way to get in trouble. It's a 1-week cool-off period for Ike and I'm sure he's resourceful enough to post from another IP if he has something constructive to add to the forum. Frankly he's getting off easy compared to the RX7club policy.

PM me if you have any issues. Thread closed.