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Old 10-24-2005, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by SlowLude
Now don't get me wrong... I redline my car at least once a week. My old car was a Prelude and I redlined that thing on daily basis. But for some reason, when I reach the 6000-9000rpm, it freaks me out a bit. I always think the engine is gonna rip apart. Maybe its the increasing sound or the vibration.. Or maybe I just care about my car too much to push it all the way? Does anyone else feel like that too?
For fun I cruise at 5000-6000 rpms and ask passengres to guess what the revs are. They always guess around 3k. I can't imagine what's scary about 6-9k. What's scary is lugging this engine at less than 3k. Keep the revs high and keep carbon build up out.
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Old 10-24-2005, 04:20 PM
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I usually find it easier to drive the 8 around at higher rpm than my rsx-s, cruising speed with the RSX is roughly the same RPM as the 8 however, it feels a lot rougher on the 4 banger than the rotary. With the rotary, I just want to keep reving it and it feels like I can rev past the redline while the piston engine, it sounds painful at high RPMs...
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Vibration????

A while back right before the RX-8 was first released Mazda engineers were showing off the Renesis and had it running on an engine stand. They then put a glass of wine on it and revved the engine to ~7K and held it there. The glass didn't move or shake and it was reported the wine barely even rippled. (I think this was in the R&T back in '03 where Sam Mitani wrote the lengthy article when it was still in pre-production, it had the yellow 8 on the cover.)
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Originally Posted by SlowLude
Now don't get me wrong... I redline my car at least once a week. My old car was a Prelude and I redlined that thing on daily basis. But for some reason, when I reach the 6000-9000rpm, it freaks me out a bit. I always think the engine is gonna rip apart. Maybe its the increasing sound or the vibration.. Or maybe I just care about my car too much to push it all the way? Does anyone else feel like that too?
The Renesis was built to rev, so hitting the redline now and then doesn't worry me a bit. I make it a point to hear the beeper several times a week. I remember when I bought my first rotary, a base model 1985 RX-7 (12A engine), and the salesman's parting words were, "this car was made to be driven hard, so don't feel like you have to baby it. Have fun!" And I did have fun. That car gave me absolutely zero trouble during the 3+ years I owned it.

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The only thing scarry about 6000+ rpm is:
How fast the fuel goes down
How smoothly the car pulls
How slow the rest of trafic seems to get
and how stupid we look grinning and smilling at the tach.
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Ohh but remember,

Rev it while driving, not parked.
Old 10-24-2005, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Dragonrider
The RPM of the eccentric shaft is three time that of the Rotors. There is that better?
Yep

PS: Not to hijack, but how does your R-Magic front lip spoiler handle RPM's from 6K and up?
Old 10-24-2005, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Nemesis8
Yep

PS: Not to hijack, but how does your R-Magic front lip spoiler handle RPM's from 6K and up?
Once I hit about 70MPH and up, the car seems to feel firmer and solid. On the track, at about 95 to 140 is when I really feel it the most. Instead of feeling light or floaty, it seems to settle in and get real solid and firm. Seems there is just the right amount angle on the spoiler to put the needed down force to maintain good control.



At least that is my interpretation of the feel of the car a high speed.

And yes I am at 94K when I shift through the gears from 1st to 5th to get over 140mph.

I have yet to get higher speed in the straights. Run out of road.

I am hoping the new tuning and the REVi intake and ram air duct will give me a little bit quicker acceleration.

You may not be able to test a ram duct on a dyno, but after watching the news regarding the hurricanes, if winds of 60 to 150mph can do that much damage, creating that type of force artificially by driving the car that fast has got to really ram some air into the car. It just stands to reason.

I am also toying with putting in 5.+ ratio rear end to help get the car quicker in the straight and up to high RPM faster.


When I first got the car stock, it could out run anyone else in the corners, but in the straight it had a bit of a challenge against some of the turbo cars.

By the way, against the Boxter, that Porsche could not come near the 8 under any circumstances.

After I took out the stock exhaust, the 8 just walks away from everything else in the straights. Right now I need to be able to hold my own in the straights so I don’t lose the gains in the corners.


I also need to trust the car more coming out of the corner leading into the straight, I might carry more speed into the straight and get better times. But all in time with more practice.



For the record, it runs silk smooth to redline. So much so, I have to keep an eye on the tac to insure that I don't hit the limiter.



Since I talked about high RPM we are still more or less on topic. More or Less.
Old 10-24-2005, 06:18 PM
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My dealer actual said shift when you here the beep on acceleration, The motor is happier up there.
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i redline my car everyday when i drive home from school, it's fun thing to do and i don't really care if the engine blows up, it's warrenty anyway.
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Originally Posted by KYLiquid
I have to watch the tach all the time cause when I have the radio up and I am cruising with a good song on, Ill look down and be turing 7500rpm....it sneaks up on you...its so quiet and
My experience exactly.

The 8 revs more smoothly at 9k than most piston driven engines at 4-5k.
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lol, easy to say when mommy and daddy paid and they sure as hell Mazda doesn't find out you overrev it all the time Is fun though, just sounded lame
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I'm more scared to take a piston engine to 6000 rpm (any piston engine) than I am to take a rotary to 9000 rpm. Big deal. You could drive around all day there and be fine.
Old 10-24-2005, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Dragonrider
Try to remember that the rotary is not a piston engine, and that when the tac reads 9K the rotors are only doing 3k. You would have to read 21K on the tac to have the rotors turning over 7K.



If you think about it, that is why you see the power band on the rotary start around 6K because the rotors are at 2K. That is the same RPM on many piston engines when they start to develop their initial power.



On the track, if you don't keep the RPM between 6K and redline, you get left in the dust.

Some of us are looking to raise the RPM limit for that very reason. At 10K the rotors are only at 3300K. The only thing that is high revving is the crankshaft.

That might put a little persective on the RPM issue regarding the rotary engine for you.
You might want to recheck your logic there. One revolution of the crankshaft is 2 rotor faces fired off which also a 4 cyclinder engine fires off 2 power strokes in one revolution too. Just because the rotors revolve 2,000 times at a crankshaft speed of 6000 rpms is not a direct correlation to a piston's crankshaft of 2000 rpms.

13B at 6000 rpm's = 12,000 combustions per minute
4 cyclinder at 2000 rpms = 4000 combustions per minute

Not equal...
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Originally Posted by NomisR
I usually find it easier to drive the 8 around at higher rpm than my rsx-s, cruising speed with the RSX is roughly the same RPM as the 8 however, it feels a lot rougher on the 4 banger than the rotary. With the rotary, I just want to keep reving it and it feels like I can rev past the redline while the piston engine, it sounds painful at high RPMs...
Which car is faster. Are they comparable ie. both stock & man trans? I considered an RSX Type S. Much cheaper than the 8.
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Originally Posted by UK BLACK
Which car is faster. Are they comparable ie. both stock & man trans? I considered an RSX Type S. Much cheaper than the 8.
Not that much cheaper. With current Mazda rebates you can get a sport package RX-8 for 23.5-24, RSX type S is only 1k below that. I think you're getting much more car, more hp, faster 0-60 by about half a sec, better cornering ability and rear wheel drive, I wouldn't even compare.


Edit: this is all of course assuming you live in the US and not the UK

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The "Renesis" is much smoother up to redline compared to the F20C in S2000, IMO.

Yes. Fun begins at 6000 rpm.
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Originally Posted by UK BLACK
Which car is faster. Are they comparable ie. both stock & man trans? I considered an RSX Type S. Much cheaper than the 8.
Comparably equipped and adjusted for all the standard stuff, the RSX Type S is about a couple of grand cheaper than the RX-8 and is cheaper to maintain. In a straight line both cars are pretty close. The RX-8 is faster and more balanced in the turns and has better brakes. One is FWD and the other is RWD. So it is not a fair comparision. But, both cars are fun to drive.
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Originally Posted by RX8_Ownz
The "Renesis" is much smoother up to redline compared to the F20C in S2000, IMO.

Yes. Fun begins at 6000 rpm.
Yes the renesis is smoother at high rpms. The 2.0 and 2.2 liter honda 4 cyls are not as smooth, but once the VTEC/iVTEC kicks in.... whoa!!!
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