Renesis07

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Youll be fine, keep your head up, stay positive, youll be okay.

alienRX8

another reason why I dont go to church :D

RX8-Frontier

Hate to say it, but to reiterate what somebody else already said...

You quit your job. You're not eligible for unemployment.

You can't just "swap" with someone that's already on unemployment (what you're essentially trying to do).

You tried to cheat the unemployment system, whether you realize it or not, and as it turns out, you lost...

Unemployment is for people that lost their job through no fault of their own, aka, a layoff. Outright firings, quitting, etc., are not eligible for unemployement, and frankly, shouldn't be!

If you wanted to quit your job, the SMART thing to do was to find another job BEFORE you quit.

I'm sorry that you put your newfound religion before your current workplace, and I'm sure they are, too. But it was a choice YOU made for YOURSELF, not your employers. If you lose your car over it, well, maybe that's your god's way of testing your adversity/dedication...

Peter & Paul gave up their line of work, too... Things worked out reasonably well for them (well, if you count being crucified upsidedown (Peter), and beheaded (Paul) turning out well...

Seriously. There's worse things than losing your car. I'm guessing you'll never quit a perfectly good job without having another one lined up again, will 'ya...?

(BTW: You have no case against your former boss. You can't legally obligate him to commit an illegal act (the unemployment "swap"), and you can't legally force an employer to give you time off for your religious beliefs, either. Find a new job and move on...)

alienRX8

Ask for a collection at church to see if they will help you pay your stuff.

MazdaEight

Someone had to be layed off due to payroll...I was trying to seek alternatives(yes this is considered trying to cheat the unemployment).

I don't really appreciate you implying that my move wasn't smart. I knew that I was supposed to follow God's law(the 4th Commandment) Exodus 20 verse 8. I was not gonna work another Sabbath by no means.

I realize it was my decision...I'm not moning and groning over it...I just wanted to fill my fellow forumers in on my story on why I was selling my 8. Does it make me sad...yeah...but like I said it's a car and there are plenty more out there.

And those two men(Peter and Paul) will be kings in God's Kingdom, rather than those who do not follow his Laws....others will be just people.

And yeah I would do it all again...And I will if another time comes.

I realize also I can't obligate him to do this "swap". But I do have a case. Go ahead and read the religious discrimination laws....
Employers must reasonably accommodate employees' sincerely held religious practices unless doing so would impose an undue hardship on the employer. A reasonable religious accommodation is any adjustment to the work environment that will allow the employee to practice his religion. An employer might accommodate an employee's religious beliefs or practices by allowing: flexible scheduling, voluntary substitutions or swaps, job reassignments and lateral transfers, modification of grooming requirements and other workplace practices, policies and/or procedures. .....Thats takin from eeoc's site.

I don't understand why you left your angry post against me RX8 Frontier...but I forgive you.

Shoafb

So gods plan is for you to suck up unemployment... when you had a good job to start with?

alienRX8

^^^^
lol fanatism is golden huh?

Marklar

Lay off, he's trying to make a living without having to compromise his religious practices. It's a free country, he has every right. The unemployment scheme was not a good idea, but he certainly knows that by now.

MazdaEight

No it's not...It's not like I was going to be a bum and live off unemployment until the very last minute. In my original post I said I wanted to be on unemployment while I searched for another job. That way I still had an income in the meantime. I know from personal experience that sitting around not working gets boring....there is only so much to do to occupy time. Take it from this thread here...https://www.rx8club.com/lounge-4/what-does-unemployed-people-do-allday-162537/

Thank you

RX8-Frontier

Hey, I'm not ranting at you specifically, just the idea of someone trying to cheat the system to get unemployment and hiding behind their religious beliefs to do so.

Assuming your timeline is correct in your original post, you went to church on Sunday, then came in on to work the next day (Monday) and told your boss starting this Saturday, you aren't going to work Saturdays anymore due to your newfound religious beliefs... No offense, but what the hell did you think was going to happen? Do you really, honestly think your boss thought you were serious?? Look at it from the boss' perspective...he just had an employee tell him they "got religion" yesterday, and now all the sudden they don't want to work on the weekend anymore...

We can debate religion all day if you wish...unless you're Jewish, the old testament doesn't have any laws that pertain to you. It's a good read and all, but the New Testament trumps it. For that matter, why do you think the Sabbath is on Saturday... Go do some research...the Sabbath was founded by a religion that doesn't use the Gregorian Calendar... Our "Saturday" is absolutely meaningless in their Calendar...

Either way, you chose your religion over your job, which is well within your rights in the US to do. Just don't come biotching about having to make the "sacrifice" for your religion. The more you learn of your religion, the more you'll realize a quiet, humble sacrifice is what's called for...not broadcasting about potential religious descrimination because you made a conscious decision to quit your job...

You don't have a case at all about trying to do an ILLEGAL swap. Any such "deal" that was made isn't LEGAL, because it included an ILLEGAL portion of the deal. Sorry, but it just doesn't work that way.

Think of it this way. If your former employer allowed you to have every Saturday off, but that would either 1) leave him short-handed, or 2) require him to hire someone else for that shift, or 3) require him to reschedule someone who isn't supposed to work on that Saturday to change their life/schedule, then they have a very, very easy case in front of a judge saying they tried to accomodate you, but the request was unreasonable as you were completely unwilling to help them transition to get you off of the Saturday shift.

But good for you. You get to bank some coinage in heaven for getting rid of your job & vehicle & lifestyle & etc., assuming you are doing it for the right reasons and not just trying to make yourself a martyr.

You might think from my posts I'm against religion; I'm not. I'm against people hiding behind religion to justify their choices. This may not be the case in your particular circumstance, but you have to admit, if read over the internet from a 3rd party, it sure smells like somebody that didn't want to work on Saturday, and used religion as their excuse 'cause they *knew* they couldn't be fired over that.

Shoafb

You do car detailing and don't want to work on Saturday?



That might be kinda tough.

JRichter

So you started going to church a month and a half ago and then told your employer you can't work any more Saturday's after that? Now you are trying to get unemployment benefits because the employer didn't buy your story and let you go for not showing up those Saturdays? GL with that.

newguy

what religion wont let you work saturday? Im Lutheran, a fine protestant religion that believes God rewards those who work hard. God must be right hence the time and a half I make Saturdays and double time Sundays

TheWulf

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^ Jewish Sabbath is on Saturday (well, technically late Friday night 'till Saturday evening)

Marklar

Two different things. His religious beliefs--which you have no cause to question the sincerity of--are the reason he decided to leave his job. That wasn't a win for him, it was a sacrifice.

The unemployment thing was a bad idea and the law definitely isn't on his side on that one, but that's a different issue and doesn't have anything to do with his religious beliefs. You're making it sound like he wanted to collect unemployment by claiming special religious beliefs, which isn't the case from what he said.

You can't really argue about it that way: no religious beliefs are truly rational and logical when you really get down to it, that's what the whole faith thing is about. You could make the same claim about it not applying to Jews because the old testament doesn't apply to modern times...you can pretty much dismiss any religious beliefs at all with that kind of argument.

There are plenty of fundamentalist Christians who observe the sabbath on Saturday.

Again, that has nothing to do with his case or his religious beliefs. He was wrong on the unemployment thing, but that doesn't mean his boss wasn't wrong in the first place.

Did you even read what he posted? If his employer had tried to make accomodations or shown that it would cause undue hardship as required by law then he would have no case, but that's not what happened. If the shop would have to close because he couldn't be there on a Saturday then he would have no case, but it was up to his boss to show that.

If he was doing that, then why did he agree to leave his job? Do you really think that the whole sabbath thing was just a plot to collect unemployment?

For the record, I'm not a religious person myself and I don't share his beliefs in the least, but I do believe in freedom. That includes the freedom of people to follow their religious practices as long as it puts no undue hardship on anyone else, which is exactly what the law allows for.

It was up to his boss to either accommodate him or explain why there was no reasonable way to do so, and he failed to do that. Which means that there may be a violation of EEO laws, which has absolutely nothing to do with unemployment benefits.

newguy

yeah I knew that after having lived in a town for a short while with a large orthodox jewish population, but I always saw plenty of jewish businesses up and running on saturday. guess they werent the devout jews.

To be named later

I would suspect that whatever case you file, or try to file, will only stir up a hornets nest that you tried to cheat the unemployment system. I would think that the state takes that stuff seriously.

RX8-Frontier

NO to almost all of those things! I'm not saying he's ducking behind his religion to get out of working on Saturdays. BUT to his former boss, that's exactly what this would have looked like! So no, I don't blame his former boss for not considering his request, 'cause I'd imagine people come up with excuses to get out of work all the freaking time, and this sounds exactly like that. Whether it is or not isn't really important.

MazdaEight

I have been working ever since I was 16, I'm not some bum who wants to get paid off of every other hard working American.



This thread has been takin to a level it should have never gone. The threads title ISN'T "Why I can't collect unemployment" it ISN'T "Religious Discrimination". It's the story of why I'm selling my car and should be nothing more. But people like RX8Frontier look past that and have turned it into something else.

I am Christian....read the Bible...again Exodus 20 verse 8(the 4th commandment) it says: Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the seventh day and hallowed it.

Take a look at your cellphone or your computers calender....what day does the week start with? Sunday? Thus making the 7th day Saturday.

And you don't get it Frontier...I don't care about the unemployment. Of course I have no case about that. But I DO have a case about him not making any reasonable accomodations for my religious observance. I could've gave him my churches name, where it's based out of, website, ministers name and number and all.

It isn't just some "plot" to get Saturdays off or I would have said to myself "well that didn't work" and wouldn't have left my job knowing I could lose everything.

simplyphp

I'm with you man, I agree that there are certain groups who shouldn't be discriminated against and you should be able to collect unemployment regardless if you want to or not.

alienRX8

Yeah cause God wrote the bible right?

lolz

This is funny and entertaining, keep it up!

Xander

since you asked to be layed off unemployment is gonna screw u..its kinda like you quit

Shoafb

But aren't the weekends the busiest time for detailing cars?

MazdaEight

Yeah in some cases...definitly not winter though. That means they would have had all winter to figure something out. Like someone else had said( I think it was marklar) me not being there on Saturdays isn't gonna cause the business to shut down.

CTrx8

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i wonder why admins don't allow discussion about religion on the forum (not saying the OP was trying to - i'm just observing). where's that popcorn smiley?