Since the moderator was so kind..replying to "Bad Gas milage..BS"
01-15-2004, 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by amartin
Whiney? Sure..might seem whiney... ...
Whiney? Sure..might seem whiney... ...
Elara is 100% right, you got a problem, send them a PM about it
The mods here are the best I have delt with BY FAR, and that is saying a lot. They are all good people.
You are a major JO. Why don't you sell your "beater" and get a car with a forum that meets your strict standard...How about a "jerks forum" to start.
End of MY rant...
01-15-2004, 04:08 PM
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This was amartins first post in his thread entitled, "Gas Mileage: This is BS!":
"After 850miles, I've averaged 12.5mpg.
Thats 30% less than the LOWEST level (18-24) stated for the vehicle.
For 12mpg I should be getting a hell of a lot more performance than this.
Total BS. This is just stupid to run around with this kind of gas milage. We need to voice up about this to Mazda and whoever does the estimated gas milage crap on the sticker.
Shifting like an absolute grandma I squeeked out 14mpg ONCE... and that was with a LOT of highway driving."
Amartin,
IMO, your thread was not closed because you were discussing a redundant topic, but the manner in which you discussed it. You have to agree that even the title of your thread is not very productive. Maybe if you had brought up your concern about the poor gas mileage in a more productive manner you would have received a different response from the rest of this community. I think you just need to learn people skills. Sorry about the gas mileage.
"After 850miles, I've averaged 12.5mpg.
Thats 30% less than the LOWEST level (18-24) stated for the vehicle.
For 12mpg I should be getting a hell of a lot more performance than this.
Total BS. This is just stupid to run around with this kind of gas milage. We need to voice up about this to Mazda and whoever does the estimated gas milage crap on the sticker.
Shifting like an absolute grandma I squeeked out 14mpg ONCE... and that was with a LOT of highway driving."
Amartin,
IMO, your thread was not closed because you were discussing a redundant topic, but the manner in which you discussed it. You have to agree that even the title of your thread is not very productive. Maybe if you had brought up your concern about the poor gas mileage in a more productive manner you would have received a different response from the rest of this community. I think you just need to learn people skills. Sorry about the gas mileage.
01-15-2004, 04:21 PM
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While I understand your point, Allstate... I generally assume the following rules when posting:
As long as the post isn't offensive (ie. Language/Racist/Obscene/Trolling/you get the idea), and is on-topic for the board its posted in, it shouldn't be "moderated" (locked), or at least if thats going to happen, a PM to the user explaining why it was closed. At least, thats my personal point of view, and has been my experience on other boards.. Since I don't "pay" to use the board, I'll go by the guide-lines here.
OTOH, If I read a thread thats not "very productive" (as you viewed the other to be, or this one, whichever), I simply don't reply... it just falls down the page and off into never-never land.
Whats sad is how immature the RX-8 community represents itself with posts like the one above this.
RX8Lover wrote, "I'd like to pour sugar in amartin's tank"
RX8Lover wrote, "My RX8 consistently gets 19MPG. Ha Ha, sucks to be you, buddy."
RX8Lover wrote, "do a search, newbie. there's this little thing called a "search" button at the top - use it." (different thread)
8_wannabe wrote, "And finally, don't give me that crap the poor kid is a newbie when he himself is dissing noobs who post questions that have been posted before. He's a whining, 2-faced hypocrite. Any questions?"
A very quick search reveals:
Originally posted by ibfubar2000 - i dont login and post too much anymore because i got tired of all the MEMBER BASHING. i got tired of reading PERSONAL retributions to other members.
Way to represent /shrug
-- Aaron
As long as the post isn't offensive (ie. Language/Racist/Obscene/Trolling/you get the idea), and is on-topic for the board its posted in, it shouldn't be "moderated" (locked), or at least if thats going to happen, a PM to the user explaining why it was closed. At least, thats my personal point of view, and has been my experience on other boards.. Since I don't "pay" to use the board, I'll go by the guide-lines here.
OTOH, If I read a thread thats not "very productive" (as you viewed the other to be, or this one, whichever), I simply don't reply... it just falls down the page and off into never-never land.
Whats sad is how immature the RX-8 community represents itself with posts like the one above this.
RX8Lover wrote, "I'd like to pour sugar in amartin's tank"
RX8Lover wrote, "My RX8 consistently gets 19MPG. Ha Ha, sucks to be you, buddy."
RX8Lover wrote, "do a search, newbie. there's this little thing called a "search" button at the top - use it." (different thread)
8_wannabe wrote, "And finally, don't give me that crap the poor kid is a newbie when he himself is dissing noobs who post questions that have been posted before. He's a whining, 2-faced hypocrite. Any questions?"
A very quick search reveals:
Originally posted by ibfubar2000 - i dont login and post too much anymore because i got tired of all the MEMBER BASHING. i got tired of reading PERSONAL retributions to other members.
Way to represent /shrug
-- Aaron
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01-15-2004, 04:29 PM
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Aaron,
I read your posts on the S2000 site that was linked here. You are a different person over there and actually sound like you like the RX8. Why do you need to be so hard on the car towards us? We under stand the mpg issue as it does effects most of us but it can be approached differentl.
As for the thread being closed, her choice since there are already many different threads ongoing on the subject.
I read your posts on the S2000 site that was linked here. You are a different person over there and actually sound like you like the RX8. Why do you need to be so hard on the car towards us? We under stand the mpg issue as it does effects most of us but it can be approached differentl.
As for the thread being closed, her choice since there are already many different threads ongoing on the subject.
01-15-2004, 04:34 PM
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Sea Ray,
I never said I didn't like the RX8.. I think its a great, sporty, attractive car.
My complaint wasn't really in the car, but in the fact it was sold to me under the assumption I'd receive 18-24mpg. When infact, like many others, thats simply not the case.
If the sticker said "12-14MPG City", and I still bought it, I'd expect 12-14mpg...
I don't believe (looking up through my post(s)) that I've 'bashed' the RX-8, or at least, that wasn't my intention if it came off that way...
I never said I didn't like the RX8.. I think its a great, sporty, attractive car.
My complaint wasn't really in the car, but in the fact it was sold to me under the assumption I'd receive 18-24mpg. When infact, like many others, thats simply not the case.
If the sticker said "12-14MPG City", and I still bought it, I'd expect 12-14mpg...
I don't believe (looking up through my post(s)) that I've 'bashed' the RX-8, or at least, that wasn't my intention if it came off that way...
01-15-2004, 04:51 PM
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Anyone who frequents this board, or who bothers doing any advance research on the RX-8 should know that the car has a problem with gas mileage. This doesn't excuse Mazda from screwing up, but it shouldn't exactly come as a great shock to you.
01-15-2004, 04:56 PM
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I was reading through this thread and I realize you have an issue with the gas mileage. I drove my car like a mad man with 87 octain and got 14.5 and 15 MPG pretty steady. With 91 under the same conditions I got 17 MPG (thats driving like a mad man).
Ok, going beyond that I wanted to prove the car gets exactly or better what the sticker said. For the last two fill ups I put 91 octain in my car and drove steady at 2900 RPM, shifting by about 3000. Driving my car this way keeping very steady on the gas with 91 octain in the city I got 21 the first time and just over 22 the second time.
This is with just a little stop and go, mostly city streets and some highway. Its boring to drive the car this way, so 17 MPG is fine with me.
If you are driving like a granny and get 14 MPG you have to have a problem with your engine. This car gets the gas mileage that was advertised, you just need a steady foot cause high RPMS this car drinks fuel.
I have just over 1000 miles now.
Ok, going beyond that I wanted to prove the car gets exactly or better what the sticker said. For the last two fill ups I put 91 octain in my car and drove steady at 2900 RPM, shifting by about 3000. Driving my car this way keeping very steady on the gas with 91 octain in the city I got 21 the first time and just over 22 the second time.
This is with just a little stop and go, mostly city streets and some highway. Its boring to drive the car this way, so 17 MPG is fine with me.
If you are driving like a granny and get 14 MPG you have to have a problem with your engine. This car gets the gas mileage that was advertised, you just need a steady foot cause high RPMS this car drinks fuel.
I have just over 1000 miles now.
01-15-2004, 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by amartin
Whats sad is how immature the RX-8 community represents itself with posts like the one above this.
RX8Lover wrote, "I'd like to pour sugar in amartin's tank"
RX8Lover wrote, "My RX8 consistently gets 19MPG. Ha Ha, sucks to be you, buddy."
RX8Lover wrote, "do a search, newbie. there's this little thing called a "search" button at the top - use it." (different thread)
8_wannabe wrote, "And finally, don't give me that crap the poor kid is a newbie when he himself is dissing noobs who post questions that have been posted before. He's a whining, 2-faced hypocrite. Any questions?"
A very quick search reveals:
Originally posted by ibfubar2000 - i dont login and post too much anymore because i got tired of all the MEMBER BASHING. i got tired of reading PERSONAL retributions to other members.
Way to represent /shrug
-- Aaron
Whats sad is how immature the RX-8 community represents itself with posts like the one above this.
RX8Lover wrote, "I'd like to pour sugar in amartin's tank"
RX8Lover wrote, "My RX8 consistently gets 19MPG. Ha Ha, sucks to be you, buddy."
RX8Lover wrote, "do a search, newbie. there's this little thing called a "search" button at the top - use it." (different thread)
8_wannabe wrote, "And finally, don't give me that crap the poor kid is a newbie when he himself is dissing noobs who post questions that have been posted before. He's a whining, 2-faced hypocrite. Any questions?"
A very quick search reveals:
Originally posted by ibfubar2000 - i dont login and post too much anymore because i got tired of all the MEMBER BASHING. i got tired of reading PERSONAL retributions to other members.
Way to represent /shrug
-- Aaron
I wholeheartedly agree. There is no excuse for name calling, member bashing, etc. However, I do think that if your initial post was not so strong, almost exagerating, these types of post would not have followed. The sad truth is that people usually say things over the internet that they regret later. Knowing this, you have to be very careful constructing any and every post knowing that you could unleash a fury of responses from people who disagree with you. You know....kill 'em with kindness.
01-15-2004, 05:41 PM
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Aaron, we don't need endless threads on issues that we already have discussed TO DEATH. Regardless if this is your particular problem or not, the rest of the community should not have to be subjected to more of these types of threads to have to sift through to get to some original and interesting threads, period.
If I do a search by using that little thing called a SEARCH BUTTON and type in "gas mileage", I get 576 results. 576. That used to be 575 until this thread. I along with most other members don't need constant reminder of the same damn issues.
And I don't care if this is for those "new" members that may have not seen these threads as often as those who have been here for a while...all new members should do a search before posting a new thread. In fact, they should be restricted from starting a new thread until they have something like 100 posts or something - that way they could have a chance to cruise around the site and learn a little bit.
And I still wish I had sugar for your gas tank. :D
If I do a search by using that little thing called a SEARCH BUTTON and type in "gas mileage", I get 576 results. 576. That used to be 575 until this thread. I along with most other members don't need constant reminder of the same damn issues.
And I don't care if this is for those "new" members that may have not seen these threads as often as those who have been here for a while...all new members should do a search before posting a new thread. In fact, they should be restricted from starting a new thread until they have something like 100 posts or something - that way they could have a chance to cruise around the site and learn a little bit.
And I still wish I had sugar for your gas tank. :D
01-15-2004, 06:05 PM
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I am new to this forum but I have been in the Miata forum for around a year or so. Generally, both forums have a lower degree of flaming and other attacks on opinions than typically found on the internet. I guess from where I sit I really don't see why people get so upset when someone expresses a preference for one car over another. Obviously, I like the Miata and I know I will like the RX8 when it finally comes in (7 weeks and waiting, 55 years old and feeling like a kid waiting for Christmas). If someone likes something else more, so what? It doesn't make me feel that maybe I made a mistake or should have bought the car they like. In other words, it isn't personal, so why treat it like it is?
01-15-2004, 06:32 PM
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"I'd like to teach the world to sing
In perfect harmony
I'd like to buy the world a Coke
And keep it company
That's the real thing"
Enough w/ the fussing in the fighting- love your fellow RX-8 owner desipte all his/her faults. (Me, I'm at 72 faults & counting)
In perfect harmony
I'd like to buy the world a Coke
And keep it company
That's the real thing"
Enough w/ the fussing in the fighting- love your fellow RX-8 owner desipte all his/her faults. (Me, I'm at 72 faults & counting)
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If so many people here are ticked off by MPG threads and the mods feel the need to close them, maybe we need a "DEAD HORSE" sticky thread that lists all topics that cannot be started in a new thread.
- bad gas mileage
- engine flooding
Any others? I hardly think it's fair that a person with a problem should be required to post at the bottom of a 200 post thread that is 2 months old...but I don't make the rules around here, I just play by them.
I think people need to show a little more restraint and learn to ignore posts that rub them the wrong way. There is no reason to add childish insults and name calling to a thread that you have absolutely no interest in, aside from trying to start an argument.
Whenever you have the urge to respond in a disorderly fashion, just say to yourself OHMMMMMMMMMMMMMM, and think CALMMMMMMMMMM, and your anger will disappear :p
Just remember dead/redundant/uninteresting threads will fall to the bottom and disappear on their own. If you respond, it only moves the thread right back to the top and it will take that much longer for it to disappear.
- bad gas mileage
- engine flooding
Any others? I hardly think it's fair that a person with a problem should be required to post at the bottom of a 200 post thread that is 2 months old...but I don't make the rules around here, I just play by them.
I think people need to show a little more restraint and learn to ignore posts that rub them the wrong way. There is no reason to add childish insults and name calling to a thread that you have absolutely no interest in, aside from trying to start an argument.
Whenever you have the urge to respond in a disorderly fashion, just say to yourself OHMMMMMMMMMMMMMM, and think CALMMMMMMMMMM, and your anger will disappear :p
Just remember dead/redundant/uninteresting threads will fall to the bottom and disappear on their own. If you respond, it only moves the thread right back to the top and it will take that much longer for it to disappear.
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01-15-2004, 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by amartin
Whiney? Sure..might seem whiney... only because I didn't start the previous thread to start a flame war.. I was rather annoyed at the fact the thread was CLOSED... As a previous poster stated.. 'dead/old/repeat' threads work their way to the bottom.. censorship isn't cool, at least.. where I come from.
Whiney? Sure..might seem whiney... only because I didn't start the previous thread to start a flame war.. I was rather annoyed at the fact the thread was CLOSED... As a previous poster stated.. 'dead/old/repeat' threads work their way to the bottom.. censorship isn't cool, at least.. where I come from.
Elara was right to close the thread - I don't understand why you didn't post in an existing thread - you offered nothing new or interesting.
01-15-2004, 10:08 PM
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Youir post on the s2k forum was fairly complimentary of the 8, then you come here and that initial post was "trolling for flames."
Happy? Seems you got what you wanted.
If you come to this forum and write stuff like that, people will respond harshly. It's cool you have both cars, enjoy them, and please give us more feedback on your perceptions of their respective qualities.
Happy? Seems you got what you wanted.
If you come to this forum and write stuff like that, people will respond harshly. It's cool you have both cars, enjoy them, and please give us more feedback on your perceptions of their respective qualities.
01-15-2004, 10:48 PM
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Some of the immaturity here is almost unbelievable... As an example, RX8Lover, and all of his wise-**** comments... lets just take a small look:
My RX8 consistently gets 19MPG. Ha Ha, sucks to be you, buddy.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...5&pagenumber=2
I feel like pouring sugar in amartin's gas tank.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...5&pagenumber=2
Just take a photo in the daytime when you are done with the project. Your current pictures serve no purpose except to waste bandwidth.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=16513
good luck, newbie. why dont you get outta here.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=18640
do a search, newbie. plus your second sentence makes no sense.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=18587
yes, please use the search button. Yet another question that has been mentioned a MILLION TIMES.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=18487
*yawn* old news
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=18224
do a search, newbie. there's this little thing called a "search" button at the top - use it.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=18419
I was able to do the quarter mile in 12.5 seconds by counting out loud to myself...
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...5&pagenumber=5
i ReAlLy HaTe WhEn PeOpLe TyPe LiKe ThIs. iT iS sO aNnOyIng
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?threadid=4054
good luck selling rims for that price.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=17286
somehow your wheel gap looks bigger than stock. You need to lower it immediately so people don't laugh at you as you drive by.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=16254
DID ANYONE EVER TELL YOU THAT TYPING IN ALL CAPS IS LIKE SHOUTING? IT IS VERY OBNOXIOUS.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=15606
Congratulations. You have made the largest photo ever of an RX-8.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=15841
haha
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=17496
(Some guy gets introuble with the law.. and 'haha' is the reponse...)
ok, looking for a definitive answer to this question is both stupid and ridiculous. how would any member know what is being put in your "friends" Rx8, if this is even true?
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=17209
As much as I love this site, my car, and the community of rotary lovers, I am beginning to get disgusted on the thread subjects that get posted. I hope to God it improves.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=18657
^-- Pretty amazing, since your contributions do nothing but inflame and insult.
Now, thats the first 2 pages of his posts out of many, and whats amusing (Thanks to RX8Lover, I'm really playing with the search feature now), is when you looking for posts under his name..guess what? 90% of them are rude, insulting, or just a plain waste of bandwidth...However, you see, I can understand his comments, since he is clearly an immature kid who probably had his car bought for him.. okay, fine..so mommy and daddy bought him a car, and now he's being a smart *** "know it all".. I've met geeks like that before, like most of us..you know, the brat who can't figure out why nobody likes him?? Ya..so no biggie.
But the rest of you?! Sheesh.. Didn't your mothers ever teach you, "If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all" ??
Do you not all have national meetings and gatherings with people from here? OR do you never plan on meeting the people whom which you talk to (and in some cases insult)??
-- Aaron
My RX8 consistently gets 19MPG. Ha Ha, sucks to be you, buddy.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...5&pagenumber=2
I feel like pouring sugar in amartin's gas tank.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...5&pagenumber=2
Just take a photo in the daytime when you are done with the project. Your current pictures serve no purpose except to waste bandwidth.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=16513
good luck, newbie. why dont you get outta here.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=18640
do a search, newbie. plus your second sentence makes no sense.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=18587
yes, please use the search button. Yet another question that has been mentioned a MILLION TIMES.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=18487
*yawn* old news
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=18224
do a search, newbie. there's this little thing called a "search" button at the top - use it.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=18419
I was able to do the quarter mile in 12.5 seconds by counting out loud to myself...
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...5&pagenumber=5
i ReAlLy HaTe WhEn PeOpLe TyPe LiKe ThIs. iT iS sO aNnOyIng
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?threadid=4054
good luck selling rims for that price.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=17286
somehow your wheel gap looks bigger than stock. You need to lower it immediately so people don't laugh at you as you drive by.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=16254
DID ANYONE EVER TELL YOU THAT TYPING IN ALL CAPS IS LIKE SHOUTING? IT IS VERY OBNOXIOUS.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=15606
Congratulations. You have made the largest photo ever of an RX-8.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=15841
haha
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=17496
(Some guy gets introuble with the law.. and 'haha' is the reponse...)
ok, looking for a definitive answer to this question is both stupid and ridiculous. how would any member know what is being put in your "friends" Rx8, if this is even true?
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=17209
As much as I love this site, my car, and the community of rotary lovers, I am beginning to get disgusted on the thread subjects that get posted. I hope to God it improves.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=18657
^-- Pretty amazing, since your contributions do nothing but inflame and insult.
Now, thats the first 2 pages of his posts out of many, and whats amusing (Thanks to RX8Lover, I'm really playing with the search feature now), is when you looking for posts under his name..guess what? 90% of them are rude, insulting, or just a plain waste of bandwidth...However, you see, I can understand his comments, since he is clearly an immature kid who probably had his car bought for him.. okay, fine..so mommy and daddy bought him a car, and now he's being a smart *** "know it all".. I've met geeks like that before, like most of us..you know, the brat who can't figure out why nobody likes him?? Ya..so no biggie.
But the rest of you?! Sheesh.. Didn't your mothers ever teach you, "If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all" ??
Do you not all have national meetings and gatherings with people from here? OR do you never plan on meeting the people whom which you talk to (and in some cases insult)??
-- Aaron
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01-15-2004, 11:28 PM
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Re: Re: Since the moderator was so kind..replying to "Bad Gas milage..BS"
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Your argument seems logical to me, but it did come off as a tiny bit whiney.
Your argument seems logical to me, but it did come off as a tiny bit whiney.
i agree with this post. but i'd be whining to if i was in his position
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Originally posted by MMGDC
Anyone who frequents this board, or who bothers doing any advance research on the RX-8 should know that the car has a problem with gas mileage. This doesn't excuse Mazda from screwing up, but it shouldn't exactly come as a great shock to you.
Anyone who frequents this board, or who bothers doing any advance research on the RX-8 should know that the car has a problem with gas mileage. This doesn't excuse Mazda from screwing up, but it shouldn't exactly come as a great shock to you.
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Originally posted by ml2316
yeah if you frequent this board you definitely should not be surprised if you don't get the epa rating mpg. however i don't think reading this forum here would lead anyone to believe an rx8 should not get better than 14 mpg (unless something is wrong with the engine).
yeah if you frequent this board you definitely should not be surprised if you don't get the epa rating mpg. however i don't think reading this forum here would lead anyone to believe an rx8 should not get better than 14 mpg (unless something is wrong with the engine).
My GF has a 2000 Miata, and a MX-6 (10 years ago for about 8 years... or so-- my time frame may be skewed there) and has had no problems, so, I had some faith in the 'mazda' line of vehicles...
Suppose I should have looked online before hand, either way, I'd still have bought the RX-8, I just wish I was told the truth about my MPG.. or, that perhaps, I need an ECU flash upgrade or whatever.
For what its worth, I sent a message to Mazda inquiring about the poor MPG, if I get any kind of reasonable respose, I'll post it.
Ohh..for those who asked 'how did I calculate the mpg'... my formula is quite simple: Whenever I fill up, I always stop filling when the pump initially stops (no extra filling)... then take my trip-a and divide it by the gallons pumped in... Thus, if it was 100 miles, and 10 gallons.. 100/10 = 10mpg. Then reset the trip-a and go on about my business.
Assuming most pumps cut-off around the same point (sure there's error, but still), I can fill any amount, and divide the gallons into the distance traveled...
..thats how I calculate my MPG. If thats horribly wrong, let me know a better way... I then log that MPG and distance until the next time I visit the pump. I try and not go below 1/8th tank.
-- Aaron
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Originally posted by amartin
Some of the immaturity here is almost unbelievable... As an example, RX8Lover, and all of his wise-**** comments... lets just take a small look
-- Aaron
Some of the immaturity here is almost unbelievable... As an example, RX8Lover, and all of his wise-**** comments... lets just take a small look
-- Aaron
Plus you're completely wrong in your assessment of me - I am 25 and bought the car myself. I just can't stand how people like you post on this board and think you're special with your thread starting, which is why I reply the way I do. Sometimes I post for humor purposes, which is proven in your "list" of evidence of my posts, if you had the mentality to read into them instead of simply calling them flaming. You really need to get a life....
And if some of my posts are a little harsh to you, quit your whining, you little baby. I'm entitled to my opinion.
BTW, just yesterday I noticed I got 20 MPG - haha! :D
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