LesPaul

Any time someone gets their message closed or banned they scream censorship. This is a private site, not government, so by definition there is no censorship.

The moderators do a fine job keeping this an informative, friendly forum. They should close more stupid threads. The redundant (use the damn search function), hostile, ill-informed, baiting posters are the reason I don't come here much any more. I don't expect anyone to care, but the garbage may turn away other RX-8 owners and gradually our forum dies.

By the way, I love my car but I never get better than 14 mpg and that is a dissappointment.

Elara

OKay, I can't believe I'm saying this, but please guys, STOP with the personal attacks on amartin. If for no other reason than so I don't get bitched at because I have to close yet ANOTHER of his threads. PLEASE???

Doc Gyneco

Why people have to be so defensive about their beloved vehicule when someone talks about it in a negative way?

amartin's original post was maybe a little bit aggressive but he has all the right be slightly pissed. He even gets **** on s2kiforums for giving a great feedback on his 8.

Some people in this thread should refrain to post on this board if it's only to spout insults and names.

Back to the topic.

I also would like to know how you guy calculate the MPG.

-I fill the tank.
-Reset the counter.
-On my next fill, I check how many miles I did and how much I filled up.

I think that's the most common way and I am getting figures pretty close to the EPA rating of my Integra GS-R (29~32MPG).

Looks like a lot of people are getting better MPG past the 5000 miles barrier... any hypothesis on this?

Aaron, do you have a source for your explanation on the poor dyno result of the RX8 due to the DSC not being full disengaged?

Seks

I'd do the same if I have both cars, RX-8 being the winter beater.

^^^ I couldn't agree more...

More reliable too in terms of not having the engine being replaced or flooded...

MMGDC

Maybe it's just me, but personally, I would never buy any car, let alone a brand spanking new 1st year model that just so happens to be the ONLY production rotary car on earth at the moment, without doing some research and talking to multiple other owners first. You're certainly not going to get the truth from a car manufacturer or a dealer... those guys only tell the truth when legally compelled. Otherwise, they say what will sell cars.

No question Mazda screwed up... the mileage ranges between borderline acceptable to downright gawdawful, but all the information was out there for anyone who was willing to look around for it. I understand your frustration, but an ounce of prevention is better than yadda yadda...

Speed-ER doc

:D

rjenk

Okay...throwing my head on the chopping block...

You know, that little search button on the top of the page is a nice feature and it would be beneficial to search a topic for more information before starting a new topic but the frequent chastising that takes place now when a new topic is started on a old subject is inexcusable. This message board can quickly become a place where people stop by and leave never to return because of those that choose to post…um…aggressive replies instead of truly trying to “help” them.

I have run tech site message boards and I am sorry but duplicated topics and postings are to be expected...with any subject matter. That is a fact of running a message board. Think about it. The first time you experience something and find a place with other owners and you go through a few pages of posts looking for a topic and then you finally give up, not realizing the ability to search, and you start a topic. Oops, it’s been covered 20 previous times. So what? Advise and move on. We all have a new beast here. The car is very popular now and there is a lot of interest. Enjoy it, it may not last.

As for the flames and little jabs…just consider the source. There are going to be those that do it…happens everywhere in life. There will always be those that like to make themselves feel better at the expense of others (flame suit on).

And, since this original topic is near and dear…last three tanks (A/T – even more flame bait) 13, 16, 13 MPG. Complaining to dealer and the big M now. Hey guys/gals, regardless if you are having the problem, there is a problem out there. If you are getting the stated, all the better as that gives us hope that maybe it can be fixed.

RJ

amartin

Doc Wrote, "Aaron, do you have a source for your explanation on the poor dyno result of the RX8 due to the DSC not being full disengaged?"

... Hrrmph.. I don't honestly remember saying anything about a dyno result for my RX-8. I have not put my rx-8 on a dyno... So, either I have a typo somewhere, or was misunderstood perhaps?

I was talking about an ecu reflash-- the service guy at Mazda here said there was a ecu update for a certain 'vin' range which improves gas-milage. No clue if there's any truth to this or not, however he did say my VIN didn't fall into the range for a reflash.

As I said a few posts up, I wrote Mazda about it, and some automated reply said someone would be in contact. Who really knows though.

-- Aaron

Doc Gyneco

This is what you wrote over at s2ki.com

93rdcurrent

rjenk,

Great post. I was new here once too. There certainly are those people out there who seem to need to feel greatness through the expense of others. It only goes to show that they have not yet become self-actualized (my wife has her masters in counseling psychology). It would be a better forum if we didn't have to waste our time defending a new member who made a simple mistake and could easily be directed to going about things the correct way. MPG is going to be on everyones mind who is having the problem and as far as I can tell that is more people than the ones who aren't. I am included in the MPG issues and am considering getting an attorney involved in a class action suit if I don't see things improve or get fixed soon. As for those people who can laugh... Ha Ha... at those who don't get their gas milage I think we would do better to have more supportive members post to the forum. And I guarantee that they wouldn't be making such rude comments if this was a face to face situation. Being short is one thing but personally attacking someone for asking a question, that is rude. I went to the school of hard knocks and I wouldn't let someone talk to me that way on the street and I sure as hell don't like seeing it on this forum either. Stop wasting your and our time flaming.

8_wannabe

"Trust me on this... both perfect launches, in a 1/4 mile run (hehe..me being the driver in both).. I'd say the S2K would win by 1.5 car lengths, maybe 2 if I wasn't hung-over."

This is one of the quotes from the other forum that set me off. On the S2K site you're saying how your S2K outperforms your 8. Over here, you're saying you don't race the '8. The hypocracy was more than I could stand.

HOWEVER... if you find out about an ECU reflash that fixes gas mileage and post it here, all sins are forgiven. I will nominate you for "poster of the year" as gas mileage is my one and only gripe about the '8.

amartin

Ahh.. I see what you meant now-- That data was taken from CanZooomer dyno information based on his Stage-1 work he's doing (his ECU mod), and was not collected from me personally (eg. my car).

-- Aaron

amartin

I don't believe I have to be auto-crossing my RX-8 to know how it performs 0-100, my G-tech and my butt tend to give me a pretty good back-to-back comparison, not to mention I have access to more than just my own RX-8...

I knew how well my SportTrac performed, my integra, my Acura CL, Acura TL, etc.. Never 'raced' those cars either, but that doesn't mean I didn't at least test and see how well they ran.

I suppose now that I've tested the car out a few times that means I race it? /shrug. I'm sure most people here have opened up every car they have, if even to make it to the exit on the highway, or whatever... certainly doesn't mean they 'race', nor does it mean they don't drive the car prudently.

I am quite certain, however, had I said the opposite, you wouldn't have even bother posting that quote. Sorry, its not the case. But it doesn't mean anything, kind of like having 2 children.. you can love them both ya know.

-- Aaron

amartin

Also, if your going to quote me... try and be fair instead of pulling parts that make me look like I'm 'dissing' the RX-8... As an example:

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http://forums.s2ki.com/forums/showth...hreadid=171780

I actually LOVED the Titanium RX-8, but having 2 cars silver, just didn't seem right (I might have well had bought a hard-top for the S2K if I went for the Silver RX-8 imho).

Ok-- on with the goodies:

Acceleration is VERY similar (The S2K is marginally faster, I'm buying the ECU mod to add 25rwhp to the RX-8 which should put both cars into a 'whos the better driver' performance level).

The RX-8 "beeps" at around 8500 RPM with a 9000rpm redline, and 9500 fuel-cut-off (rev-limiter).

Its flat out "WEIRD" to accelerate... the feeling is very 'neutral' regardless of RPM (for the most part). It seems to pull as hard at 5500rpms as it does at 8500 rpms. Go figure.

I find myself speeding a LOT more in the RX-8, its extreemly quiet, and being a hard-top + windows up, you don't have the exhaust noise+wind to let you know how fast your really going.

As far as handling goes-- I have no idea. Its got 18s (they all do), but this is my 'beater' so I really have no intention to auto-x the car. It does have "DSC" -- Dynamic Stability Control + traction control, which is kind of cool if your GF is goign to drive it-- breaks the appropriate wheel(s) if you get on it (for example aroudn a corner) to maintain control.

Has built-in tire pressure monitoring..which is really goofy imho--sometimes I WANT to run low pressure for certain auto-x things.. oh--wait, I'm not Auto-Xing this..so thats a good feature :-) (but If I was, it would be annoying).

Interior is nice...clean, well laid out, etc.. HOWEVER, the Stereo unit is 'combined' with the thermostat controls, and all the other various controls... clock..etc.. Which means changing to a custom stereo is a MAJOR *** PAIN. If you want to make a boom'er stereo outta this thing (or really, just change to a different head-unit), and figure it out-- let me know. Cuz it looks like your pretty much stuck with the stock head unit.

Anyway, after the ECU mod arrives (late Jan), I'm going to have The Captain (Kirk) take my S2K and give me a few races to see how we do. All in all, 'stock' the S2K is faster IMHO... I not surpsied-- 238 vs. 240 hp but ~300-350lbs heavier. Handling I have to give to my S2K (of course, I'm running R-compound on the S2K but still.. I think the S2K would out corner the RX-8).
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What you realize after owning both... (and I'm sure if I owned a 350z, and a boxter)... is how much appreciation you can get for the technology and various idea and improvements that manif's have had over the years.

I can only say I'm honored to own the ones that I do...perhaps one day, I'll own all the various toys out there (like Jay Leno). :-)

-- Aaron

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I was not trying to compare apples to oranges here... a "4" door sports car to a 2-door roaderster is just insane to compare.. I wasn't going there..

For WHAT IT IS... its quite nice.. and after a few mods, (straight line performance wise) it'll be a fun ride-- the other RX-8 owners are seeing 13.6-7's i(with the ecu mod..but I don't care, this is my beater) in the 1/4 mine. NEITHER CAR is a straight line car...so I really dont 'give a flying **** which is faster in a straight line as long as I can get into the lane I want wihtout much of a problem.

If any of us (myself included, s2K or RX8 or 350z, or whatever)..wanted that, we would have gone an gotten a Z06 or similar right?? all right!

Bottom line is-- for the $$..its a nice vehicle.. quick, sporty, "cute", and fun to drive. Is it ROADSTER no? Duhh... no.. in "ITS" class is it a blast?? Yup.. You betcha.

So..relax.. Its just an easy-going review of 100miles in an rx-8. But I CAN tell you this... it beats the shvts outta the ford.. (btw.. I'll never own a ford again)

Please.. for all you 'other car' haters...keep in mind-- I STILL have a S2K... and NOW an Rx-8.. I don't judge either... I'm just saying it as it appears to me. I like both, in different ways...
-- Aaron

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Does that really sound like someone who doens't like the car?

RX8Lover

Talk about a hypocrite! You did the EXACT same thing when quoting MY posts! Were you fair in quoting anything besides what you felt was against the norm? NO. SO why would anyone else do the same for you?

amartin

Hmmm...Maybe its because your first 2 replies were personal attacks?

RX8Lover

Ok there, buddy.

cueball

Sorry amartin, but that is what is happening to this thread. It is nothing but flame wars.

This thread was supposed to talk about gas mileage (a redundant, but not inappropriate topic). It is now nowhere even close to that.

Closed.