So my oil change (synthetic) at the dealership yesterday....
Factory fill....
03-09-2006 | 07:40 PM
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the manual for the united states says long term effects of synthetic are unknown etc. and to use the grade listed, which is a non-synthetic grade. (i don't have the manual in front of me, so i can't quote it. but that's basically what it says.)
if kangaroos want to use synthetic i'm sure it's ok. they hop fast anyways.
if kangaroos want to use synthetic i'm sure it's ok. they hop fast anyways.
Originally Posted by Gomez
OK, I'll bite. But let's make this short.
PRODUCE THE DOCUMENTATION THAT SAYS CATEGORICALLY NOT TO USE SYNTHETIC.
PRODUCE THE DOCUMENTATION THAT SAYS CATEGORICALLY NOT TO USE SYNTHETIC.
03-09-2006 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Gomez
OK, I'll bite. But let's make this short.
PRODUCE THE DOCUMENTATION THAT SAYS CATEGORICALLY NOT TO USE SYNTHETIC.
PRODUCE THE DOCUMENTATION THAT SAYS CATEGORICALLY NOT TO USE SYNTHETIC.
Funny, doesn't seem very ambiguous to me.
03-09-2006 | 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Detrich
when u purchase a product, u should always (1) follow the official product documentation/ manual for it published by the manufacturer and (2) use some good old common sense.
if a dealer's mechanic tells u that it's ok to fill your gas tank with Tide laundry detergent, and after hours of research and discussion they still conclude that it's safe and tell u u can do it- even though the manufacturer's documentation clearly says that you should not- are u still going to do it? it doesn't mean that putting Tide in there won't work. it just means that if u're going to deviate from the product manual, then it's at your own risk.
seems like a no brainer to me.
if a dealer's mechanic tells u that it's ok to fill your gas tank with Tide laundry detergent, and after hours of research and discussion they still conclude that it's safe and tell u u can do it- even though the manufacturer's documentation clearly says that you should not- are u still going to do it? it doesn't mean that putting Tide in there won't work. it just means that if u're going to deviate from the product manual, then it's at your own risk.
seems like a no brainer to me.
The recommendation (ie MANUAL) says to use Grade III oil or higher... which is what Castrol Synthetic, Amsoil, and Royal Purple all grade out at or better.
IMPORTANT point missed here: outstanding service at a Mazda shop... out in 23 minutes after everyone agreed on the oil...
03-09-2006 | 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Detrich
the manual for the united states says long term effects of synthetic are unknown etc. and to use the grade listed, which is a non-synthetic grade. (i don't have the manual in front of me, so i can't quote it. but that's basically what it says.)
It says 5W-20 ILSAC or SL quality designation.
03-09-2006 | 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Gomez
Detrich, I have the US Owners manual in front of me......it says nothing of the sort.
It says 5W-20 ILSAC or SL quality designation.
It says 5W-20 ILSAC or SL quality designation.
On this DVD it says to use non-synthetic oil. Why does this not count as documentation?
03-09-2006 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Three37ny
Are my posts somehow not showing up on this thread? As I said, TWICE NOW, my new '05 RX-8 came with a DVD titled "RX-8 Product Update". It's from Mazda North American Operations, 1444 MacGaw Avenue, Irvine, CA 92714-5570.
On this DVD it says to use non-synthetic oil. Why does this not count as documentation?
On this DVD it says to use non-synthetic oil. Why does this not count as documentation?
The DVD states that "although the oil seals are compatible with synthetics, the long term affects are unknown, therefore Mazda does not recommend using synthetic oil".
I repeat....PRODUCE THE DOCUMENTATION THAT SAYS CATEGORICALLY NOT TO USE SYNTHETIC.
03-09-2006 | 08:23 PM
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The 2005 Mazda RX-8 Product Update DVD says specifically, "NON-SYNTHETIC 5W-20 OIL SL or ILSAC APPROVALS." The narrative further goes on to say that the long-term effects of synthetic oils are unknown and that Mazda does not recommend using synthetic engine oils.
That is Mazda's "official position" on the matter, and it sounds clear to me- unless you guys have new 2006 product info that supercedes it for 2006 model cars.
That is Mazda's "official position" on the matter, and it sounds clear to me- unless you guys have new 2006 product info that supercedes it for 2006 model cars.
Originally Posted by rdgdawg
The recommendation (ie MANUAL) says to use Grade III oil or higher... which is what Castrol Synthetic, Amsoil, and Royal Purple all grade out at or better.
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03-09-2006 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Gomez
Relax. I've seen the DVD. I got it before you did. I even started a thread here about it before it was released. I've just finished reviewing it again.
The DVD states that "although the oil seals are compatible with synthetics, the long term affects are unknown, therefore Mazda does not recommend using synthetic oil".
I repeat....PRODUCE THE DOCUMENTATION THAT SAYS CATEGORICALLY NOT TO USE SYNTHETIC.
The DVD states that "although the oil seals are compatible with synthetics, the long term affects are unknown, therefore Mazda does not recommend using synthetic oil".
I repeat....PRODUCE THE DOCUMENTATION THAT SAYS CATEGORICALLY NOT TO USE SYNTHETIC.
03-09-2006 | 09:10 PM
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You can type slow all you want. Maybe you should read slow too. The DVD is what I consider documentation.....no argument there.
What it isn't, is a categorical statement by Mazda NOT TO USE synthetic.
Hence, my use of the word CATEGORICAL.
What it isn't, is a categorical statement by Mazda NOT TO USE synthetic.
Hence, my use of the word CATEGORICAL.
03-09-2006 | 09:18 PM
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cat·e·gor·i·cal ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kt-gôr-kl, -gr-) also cat·e·gor·ic (-k)
adj.
Being without exception or qualification; absolute.
"....Mazda does not recommend......." blah blah blah
Anyway, you use what you want. All I did was recommend people search if they want to know more on this debate.
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adj.
Being without exception or qualification; absolute.
"....Mazda does not recommend......." blah blah blah
Anyway, you use what you want. All I did was recommend people search if they want to know more on this debate.
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