I would weigh in alongside Gordon. Certainly, a test-drive includes some implied agreements, one of which is that you may drive the car in ways that will tell you personally something about whether it will suit you. For some, this could mean driving it fairly aggressively, even WOT, but with the understanding that it is still someone else's property, is likely still in its break-in period, and ultimately will be bought by some other individual who would be concerned if HE or SHE knew it had been abused. A personal flooding test doesn't seem to qualify -- it's neither subjective, telling you what it's like to drive the car; nor objectively scientific as a test of how susceptible a car YOU bought would be to flooding.

Hence, it seems to be -- and was presented as -- self-help against a dealer for not being candid. (Presumably you would not have done this on the lot of a dealer who HAD warned against flooding.) The law frowns on such self-help. If someone walked over to a car and keyed it after the dealer had clearly and purposely lied and cheated in trying to sell it, the lies and cheats might be illegal and actionable, but would not justify the keying. (I hate even to think about it re RX8's.)

My 2 cents.

 

I would like to correct my self from my earlier post in page 1. I may have stated I will go to other dealers to see if they would flood. What I meant to say is I will be heading to other dealers to see if I can start the car up and if it will start I will actually go for the ride.

Second of all I just came back from the same dealer where I flooded the 2 cars and I was offered to test drive it again.

here is what happened.

Mechanic came with me and told me he will start the car for me and show me that the car is really reliable. So what he did was turn the car off drive down the street and turned off the car in a parking lot and asked me to hop in the driver seat to drive. I told him I was scared to crank the car over and told him to crank it cause if it floods he is the one who caused it not me right?

Well funny thing he was not able to start the car.

So we walked back and he got someone to tow it back.

He then took me to the other demo car and I drove it around for say 15 minutes. Over all the car is excellent. It was my first time driving a rotary engine vehicle and gosh the sound was different and amazing. I told him I'm gonna buy it still and not let anyone drive it when I have it. So with that being said I'm working on the price with the dealer as we speak.

 

That is wierd, other dealers can't be having those kinds of problems, are they? Must be that cold artic 'thin' air up there

 

OKay, everyone calm down. Perhaps what White_GTS did wasn't completely kosher, BUT, he did it, it's over, so no use bashing him about it. Name calling is also unneccesary. Please refrain. Thanks.

 

Go for it; you'll love it and we'll all relax. (And yes, mine famously flooded far from home when I moved it in freezing weather and left it for a couple of days. No problems since.)

 

The thing is, it doesn't matter if you think that a car should be able to "hold a stall" or that you can start another car and immediately shut it off and not get it flooded. Mazda is TELLING you in the owner's manual that this particular car does not like that and that, if you don't follow the specific procedure, it could flood.

So, knowing that this is the case, you then decide if it is an acceptable situation for you or not and then decide to buy the car or not.

Same thing with checking the oil frequently, for example.

It's like having Mazda say that if the car hits 100 mph the motor will blow up and then someone complaining that other cars can hit 100mph and not blow up. Get the other car then. They are telling you what the deal is. Take it or leave it.

On the subject of stalling a demo car on purpose to see if it will flood or not, to me that is like driving the car into a wall at 3mph to see if the 5mph bumpers work.

 

WhiteGTS they aren't morons because they did nothing with malicious intent. You knew the cars were suscpetible to flooding previously. Obviously you know this or you would not have tried to flood the car to begin with. All you did was cost that dealership some money for no good reason. How would you feel it if the owner of that dealership came by your house and pissed on your door mat, or threw rocks through your windows? You knew the possible consequences of your actions and you did it anyway. You do the math.

And I may not be right in the head, but at least I can spell. Try "you're" instead of "your" next time. And out of respect for Elara's request I will end there.

 

I've had my 8 since 0ctober 17th and it hasn't flooded once. The temperature makes a difference but in 30 degree weather I only have to drive two miles for the engine temp to get warm enough. I drive this two miles everyday and turn it off. No problems.

 

So your telling me that this is a spelling forum now am I correct? Whats with you my friend. You must have nothing to do with your life but try to pick virtual fights with people am I correct?

1. I do not have the owners manual so I cannot read it.

2. If I was never aware of this flooding issue and I stalled the car on purpose still you guys going to act the same towards me if I told you folks. Every car you buy it is good to test how it is by stalling it. I have bought 3 new cars and I can stall it as many times I want or start the engine cold and crank it back on with out a problem.

So no excuses that this will happen to any car.

3. Becuase I stalled the car you guys are saying what if you cut the leather seats or scratch the paint or chuck rocks at peoples house. What does stalling have to do with all those negative things? It's like comparing a bird with a house. WTF!!!

4. So your telling me that the car is not meant to be stalled and if you stalled the car or start the car up and turned it off your dumb is that what you all are trying to say?

5. Ask any body in the world and they will say a car is suppose to with stand a stall and a start and shutoff and start it back up.

You guys can continue trying to talk trash to me all you want but I'm done with this thread.

Seems like people not from Canada tend to be very rude on forums.

Unless you guys say something interesting for me to reply back to then good bye.

 

If you ever watched "Knight Rider", you would know it's cool. You were probably too young, it's more for the late 20's and 30's crowd. Sorry you disapprove of my picture, live with it.

 

Don't All engines flood?? (piston or rotory) My 78 pickup floods everytime I try to accellerate till it is warm then problem goes away. I have flooded Carbed and fuel injected cars, manual and automatic. I think the hardest engine to get started when flooded is a diesel. Here in wyoming it is very common to see temps of -32 F. My point is every engine that uses a liquid fuel is prone to flooding, and the rotary being my favorite engine, to me I don't see why is would affect my decision because every engine does it.

Can't wait to get my rx-8, when I test drove it 10 F out i stalled it while cold the fist time, First time driving a clutch in a car way different from truck, it didn;'t seem to flood for me. Is it bad for a rotory to flood? I never really heard of a flooding problem in them but this still isn't going to affect my decision on getting me a 8.

 

Ahh yes, nothing like some good old stereotyping. That should help solve the flooding issue.

 

This thread is exactly why i have not ben posting for awhile. all the name calling and all the insults! first off adrian i like the light keep it up i think it is great. i do not agree with what white-gts did, but he believes what he did was rigth and it did prove more about flooding issues, such as ALWAYS WARM UP THE CAR! IF IT ACCIDENTLY STALLS THEN OOPS! BUT OTHERWISE TAKE A FEW MINUTES BEFORE YOU TURN IT OFF TO MAKE SURE IT IS A LITTLE WARM! just dont turn it off cold peurposly. for example knowing that lighting a match at a gasa station will blow up the gas station i will not try this but i have never experienced it and i will take other peoples word that it will happen. also before someone buys a gun they do not shoot it at the store first they know what it is capable of. but that is beside the point. why must everybody make their point with name calling and personal insults. cant people just grow up and make their points in humane ways? must everybodies comment when they do not like something turn into a personal insult. c'mon know your insulting a whole country!(the canada remark) when will people just make there comments without the name calling it really isnt necessarry and all it does is cause more name calling. if you dont like something or dont understand something just ask nicely. it will be explained. i sure would hate for this forum to turn into a huge flame forum!!

 

Watch it with the stereotyping! Some of us from Canada can be quite rude when we want to be! :p

Regards,
Gordon

 

I like Canadians, You dont have to tip them..

My friends hate them, because they dont tip..

You do clog our roads though.. What is the speed limit in Canada, 15mph??

 

OK I guess it makes more sense now, sorry about all the confusion. Imagine it from my perspective, not knowing the significance, how stupid it looked to me at first. Now that I know theres a point to it, I guess I can admit that I was out of line.

I'm still not impressed by Elara's strong arm tactics to try to intimidate me into submission though. </sarcasm>

 

If it helps, I think Knight Rider rocks!

 

White GTS,

I understand why you flooded the car and I won't flame you for it. If the dealership had 3 cars in the service bay for flooded engines then it sounds to me like they didn't know enough about the car to begin with and shouldn't be selling it. I have had my car for 4 months now and I haven't flooded it as I posted before. Temps here are similar to Canada. I say if the dealership had 5 (including the one you test drove) cars flooded on their lot then they deserve to repair them themselves and shouldn't expect any compensation from Mazda.

This problem is not prevelant enough to warrant that kind of flooding anywhere.

Why is everyone getting so worked up over this. I would check it out the same way if I would have known about the problem. Better to find out before you have it out somewhere in the middle of BFE.

And don't let some of the people's reactions here deterr you from purchasing the car. There are many of us who understand where you are coming from.

 

I've had my RX-8 for 6-months and have never had a flooding problem. I start my car up all the time to move her in and out of the garage and turn her off cold, she starts right back up like a champ!

Maybe she just likes me, I take her out and let her flirt with twistie roads and high speed once in a while!

All work and no play can make an RX-8 an angry car! lol

 

Guys

Just wanted to let you know that your Mazda dealers have a little pamhlet now, called "DRIVERS GUIDE" for the RX8, basically telling you tips , here and there about driving the car and maintaining it

It also has a thing about how to avoid flooding, though it doesnt say the term flooding, its phrases it as short distance drives

If you want a copy, let me know.. send me a pm, and I'll email you a PDF. Sorry I dont have the fund to mail them through post office, or you can pick it up at your local Mazda dealer assuming they have it .

 

My 8 came with the pamplet and it is available in PDF form on the MyMazda site. I thought everyone had it.

dag

 

P.S. Any of us guys who were boys or young teenagers in the early 80's watched Knight Rider, and liked it too. I did. "Turbo Boost Kit!"

 

Don't forget the awesome themesong......1Mb file (right click and save target as)

 

I did- I loved that trans-am. I ain't proud of it now, but i even put a red lighting kit behind the grill of my '78 Celica that did the back and forth thing when ever I armed my alarm. I thought it was cool at the time : )

BTW, it's KITT, not Kit... my wife was mortally embarrased when I won a trivia game over Christmas by knowing KITT stood for Knight Industries Two Thousand.

 

would this help??:

if you stall it while the engine is still cold, just DO NOT attempt to start it again like you do normally.

Instead, floor it and then attemp to start (i.e. follow the flooded engine procedure immediately) just to make sure you dont 'over' flood it.