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Originally posted by 93rdcurrent
White GTS,
I understand why you flooded the car and I won't flame you for it. If the dealership had 3 cars in the service bay for flooded engines then it sounds to me like they didn't know enough about the car to begin with and shouldn't be selling it. I have had my car for 4 months now and I haven't flooded it as I posted before. Temps here are similar to Canada. I say if the dealership had 5 (including the one you test drove) cars flooded on their lot then they deserve to repair them themselves and shouldn't expect any compensation from Mazda.
This problem is not prevelant enough to warrant that kind of flooding anywhere.
Why is everyone getting so worked up over this. I would check it out the same way if I would have known about the problem. Better to find out before you have it out somewhere in the middle of BFE.
And don't let some of the people's reactions here deterr you from purchasing the car. There are many of us who understand where you are coming from.
White GTS,
I understand why you flooded the car and I won't flame you for it. If the dealership had 3 cars in the service bay for flooded engines then it sounds to me like they didn't know enough about the car to begin with and shouldn't be selling it. I have had my car for 4 months now and I haven't flooded it as I posted before. Temps here are similar to Canada. I say if the dealership had 5 (including the one you test drove) cars flooded on their lot then they deserve to repair them themselves and shouldn't expect any compensation from Mazda.
This problem is not prevelant enough to warrant that kind of flooding anywhere.
Why is everyone getting so worked up over this. I would check it out the same way if I would have known about the problem. Better to find out before you have it out somewhere in the middle of BFE.
And don't let some of the people's reactions here deterr you from purchasing the car. There are many of us who understand where you are coming from.
Thank you for understanding why I did that. What ever they say on this forum will not chance my mind in towards buying the car. I will buy it because it's the best price for a sports car available right now.
Also it has it's own class to it. One thing is weird is that the US version has different options for the leather seats compare to the Canadian version. That sucks.
As a newbie posting on this forum I felt I had a rude welcoming and that’s why I made the comment about the Canadian US thing since 95% of the people started to bad talk about me for what I've done are from the US.
That’s all.
So does anyone see why I did this or understand at all or are you all hardheaded and stubborn people?
Just trying to understand the people on this thread so I know what to say and not to say.
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Originally posted by White_GTS
So does anyone see why I did this or understand at all or are you all hardheaded and stubborn people?
So does anyone see why I did this or understand at all or are you all hardheaded and stubborn people?
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One thing is weird is that the US version has different options for the leather seats compare to the Canadian version. That sucks.
One thing is weird is that the US version has different options for the leather seats compare to the Canadian version. That sucks.
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Originally posted by Gord96BRG
Funny, I don't see those as the only two possibilities... Do you understand at all why we don't think what you did was right, or are YOU hardheaded and stubborn?
Actually, many people like the Canadian GT option package better - the 6 CD changer is stock, not optional, we get headlight washers (not even an option in the US), we don't have to put up with a tire pressure monitoring system, and we aren't forced to have a moonroof in the GT. Many, many people in the US would love to be able to get the leather package without the moonroof as we can get in Canada, because of headroom issues.
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Gordon
Funny, I don't see those as the only two possibilities... Do you understand at all why we don't think what you did was right, or are YOU hardheaded and stubborn?
Actually, many people like the Canadian GT option package better - the 6 CD changer is stock, not optional, we get headlight washers (not even an option in the US), we don't have to put up with a tire pressure monitoring system, and we aren't forced to have a moonroof in the GT. Many, many people in the US would love to be able to get the leather package without the moonroof as we can get in Canada, because of headroom issues.
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Gordon
So if I don't stall someone will and either way it will be fixed.
For all the cars they sell there is always a price pay for the dealer and this is just one of them.
The dealer just called me back advising me to come back for another test drive this weekend. I think they really want me to buy the demo. I told them if I wanted the 8 it will have to be new.
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Originally posted by White_GTS
So does anyone see why I did this or understand at all or are you all hardheaded and stubborn people?
So does anyone see why I did this or understand at all or are you all hardheaded and stubborn people?
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Originally posted by Nubo
The part that doesn't make sense to me is that after witnessing what was it -- 3 floods in 3 attempts?-- and multiple flooded cars in the service bay you're still going to buy the car. Not that I'm saying the phenomenon should have dissuaded you. But in the end I really DON'T understand why you did your "experiments" since you obviously were going to buy the car whether it flooded or NOT.
The part that doesn't make sense to me is that after witnessing what was it -- 3 floods in 3 attempts?-- and multiple flooded cars in the service bay you're still going to buy the car. Not that I'm saying the phenomenon should have dissuaded you. But in the end I really DON'T understand why you did your "experiments" since you obviously were going to buy the car whether it flooded or NOT.
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Couple of things in a very long thread... wow, this one hit a nerve.
1. The flooding "issue" is not described in the manual or the Quick Start Guide... the manual discusses the "Emergency Start Procedure" (page 7-20) and the Guide talks about how one "should" allow the car to warm up on short trips so as to "improve[] engine life." No discussion of flooding or recovering from a flood -- one of my most serious complaints about the materials, and one that Mazda needs to correct.
2. White_GTS: You've apparently witnessed more first-hand flooding than anyone else on this board, although I also (like the others that have commented) think the first car was not flooded, but merely had a weak battery. You seem to have a magic touch. What was the temperature and weather like when these things happened? Sorry to have to chime in with the others on this one... deliberately damaging someone else's car is not cool -- even a car dealer's car that's been a jerk. Shebam gets an "A" for best legal analysis.
3. As for the "what's the big deal" question some have asked, the answer is that flooding with the RX-8 is a much bigger problem than with non-rotary cars because the chambers will not dry out by themselves since they are not exposed to the atmosphere. A flooded engine in another car would just require you to wait a while... since about 15% of people to date have flooded per this thread, and since most of us are stuck towing our cars when it happens since we don't have the skill/tools/knowledge to remove the plugs ourselves, this reasonably ranks as a big issue. Also, for AT owners, notice that more than half AT owners responding have reported having experienced a flood (8 of the 14 responding).
3. Canadians... cut em a break -- they come in handy when the Iranians overrun your embassy.
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1. The flooding "issue" is not described in the manual or the Quick Start Guide... the manual discusses the "Emergency Start Procedure" (page 7-20) and the Guide talks about how one "should" allow the car to warm up on short trips so as to "improve[] engine life." No discussion of flooding or recovering from a flood -- one of my most serious complaints about the materials, and one that Mazda needs to correct.
2. White_GTS: You've apparently witnessed more first-hand flooding than anyone else on this board, although I also (like the others that have commented) think the first car was not flooded, but merely had a weak battery. You seem to have a magic touch. What was the temperature and weather like when these things happened? Sorry to have to chime in with the others on this one... deliberately damaging someone else's car is not cool -- even a car dealer's car that's been a jerk. Shebam gets an "A" for best legal analysis.
3. As for the "what's the big deal" question some have asked, the answer is that flooding with the RX-8 is a much bigger problem than with non-rotary cars because the chambers will not dry out by themselves since they are not exposed to the atmosphere. A flooded engine in another car would just require you to wait a while... since about 15% of people to date have flooded per this thread, and since most of us are stuck towing our cars when it happens since we don't have the skill/tools/knowledge to remove the plugs ourselves, this reasonably ranks as a big issue. Also, for AT owners, notice that more than half AT owners responding have reported having experienced a flood (8 of the 14 responding).
3. Canadians... cut em a break -- they come in handy when the Iranians overrun your embassy.
4. Knight Rider - How could anyone not have known about Knight Rider and KITT? By the way, David Hasselhoff is the devil...
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GTS- Its beyond me why you would still even be looking at-not to mention buy a RX-8 after your test drives. Obviously the car is not reliable. Flooding was an issue back before the 80s when cars were still carburated. I have never before had a car not start after it has been started. If this happened as regularly in an GM car, the press would be all over it like the Pinto. Its just "quirky" in the 8. I understand that the dealership did not mention the flooding issue to you before the test drive even though they had cars in back getting fixed. I think that is horrible. I would go to another dealership and play ignorant just to see if they mention the problem, if I didnt already have this POS sitting at my parents shop collecting dust. They never said anything to me even though after the fact they said that they flood 8s off the truck all the time. BTW, nowhere in the owners manual says anything about warming up the car (no the cheat sheet does not count as the manual).
You kids need to understand that turning on and off a car is not punishable by death, but is actually one of the first things they do at an assembly plant before the car goes out the door.
This is not overblown, period. Mazda has built an engine that should not have built until it was reliable. Maybe it was Ford's money crunch at fault, but in the end I guarantee Mazda will not make a dime off this toy. Another buyback and class action suit will take care of that.
Eric
You kids need to understand that turning on and off a car is not punishable by death, but is actually one of the first things they do at an assembly plant before the car goes out the door.
This is not overblown, period. Mazda has built an engine that should not have built until it was reliable. Maybe it was Ford's money crunch at fault, but in the end I guarantee Mazda will not make a dime off this toy. Another buyback and class action suit will take care of that.
Eric
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Originally posted by White_GTS
I think they really want me to buy the demo. I told them if I wanted the 8 it will have to be new.
I think they really want me to buy the demo. I told them if I wanted the 8 it will have to be new.
I'm sorry, sir, but you are a hypocrite. You go in and intentionally damage the car, claim on this board that what you did was OK - just normal test drive stuff, and when they want you to buy the car you intentionally flooded, you don't want it.
Guess what. No one else would either if they knew what you did. That's why what you did was very questionable.
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Originally posted by MEGAREDS
Couple of things in a very long thread... wow, this one hit a nerve.
1. The flooding "issue" is not described in the manual or the Quick Start Guide... the manual discusses the "Emergency Start Procedure" (page 7-20) and the Guide talks about how one "should" allow the car to warm up on short trips so as to "improve[] engine life." No discussion of flooding or recovering from a flood -- one of my most serious complaints about the materials, and one that Mazda needs to correct.
Couple of things in a very long thread... wow, this one hit a nerve.
1. The flooding "issue" is not described in the manual or the Quick Start Guide... the manual discusses the "Emergency Start Procedure" (page 7-20) and the Guide talks about how one "should" allow the car to warm up on short trips so as to "improve[] engine life." No discussion of flooding or recovering from a flood -- one of my most serious complaints about the materials, and one that Mazda needs to correct.
http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/pdf/...004_owners.pdf
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Originally posted by Xlorn
In my manual and the online manual chapter 7-20 is titled "Starting a flooded engine". So one of your most serious complaints has been addressed?
In my manual and the online manual chapter 7-20 is titled "Starting a flooded engine". So one of your most serious complaints has been addressed?
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Originally posted by Genom
Just to say I too find it bothersome you flooded it on purpose. This is a time consuming operation for the dealer to fix, just so you could see it happen? It has been well documented. There was no need to cost the dealer a couple hours of labor for it.
Just to say I too find it bothersome you flooded it on purpose. This is a time consuming operation for the dealer to fix, just so you could see it happen? It has been well documented. There was no need to cost the dealer a couple hours of labor for it.
Mazda has told several of us in email that a stall will not cause flooding; rather to flood it requires that the engine be shut off cold and remain shut off for a while.
If the original poster really did get the car to flood by simply turning it off and attempting to restart it immediately, not only is that valuable information, but it also completely contradicts what Mazda customer service has been telling people.
Meanwhile, I still say that if you're in the U.S. and have ever experienced the flooding issue, be sure to file a complaint with the NHTSA Office of Defects Investigation, as stalling and requiring dealer intervention to restart the car certainly does qualify as a safety defect worthy of a full-blown recall...
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So your telling me that this is a spelling forum now am I correct? Whats with you my friend. You must have nothing to do with your life but try to pick virtual fights with people am I correct?
1. I do not have the owners manual so I cannot read it.
2. If I was never aware of this flooding issue and I stalled the car on purpose still you guys going to act the same towards me if I told you folks. Every car you buy it is good to test how it is by stalling it. I have bought 3 new cars and I can stall it as many times I want or start the engine cold and crank it back on with out a problem.
3. Becuase I stalled the car you guys are saying what if you cut the leather seats or scratch the paint or chuck rocks at peoples house. What does stalling have to do with all those negative things? It's like comparing a bird with a house. WTF!!!
4. So your telling me that the car is not meant to be stalled and if you stalled the car or start the car up and turned it off your dumb is that what you all are trying to say?
5. Ask any body in the world and they will say a car is suppose to with stand a stall and a start and shutoff and start it back up.
You guys can continue trying to talk trash to me all you want but I'm done with this thread.
Seems like people not from Canada tend to be very rude on forums.
Unless you guys say something interesting for me to reply back to then good bye.
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When I test drove my first manual, I hadn't driven manual in 8 years.. I literally stalled it 8 times during the test drive before getting the hang of the clutch. Not once did it flood.
I think this is pretty good evidence that in most cases, stalling an 8 will not cause it to flood .
I think this is pretty good evidence that in most cases, stalling an 8 will not cause it to flood .
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When I went to pick up my car at the dealer 2 days ago, he told me about the flooding issue (because he experienced it). He advised me to let it run for a bit on cold starts before shutting down the engine again. Note that starting and stopping a cold (and overfuelled) engine is always bad. It leads to bore washing. My previous car (Audi A4 V6 quattro) with std petrol engine did not like that kind of mistreatement either.
Once you're aware of this issue, the issue goes...
Once you're aware of this issue, the issue goes...
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okay, I think this thread has gone on long enough. Closing. And do me a favor. If soneone has a question about WHY I closed the thread, send me a pm, DON'T start another thread about what a bitch I am and how I'm repressing free speech. I'm happy to discuss things, but not in public, and only if I'm not being attacked.
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